Supplements for Athletes over 50?

socallefty

Hall of Fame
If you eat healthy with a balanced diet and fresh, organic ingredients, do you need to take a lot of supplements? It seems like a lot of people in the US eat a lot of processed food, fast food, unhealthy food (high sugar, refined carbs, high saturated fat) and then spend a lot on supplements when they get older. That’s not going to help much if they don’t change their diet as they will still be at risk for diabetes, cardiovascular disease etc.
 

mctennis

Legend
Take this and you will play like you are 20 years old again.


Interesting looking product. If you claim it works it would be something to look into. It does have 100 mg caffeine in it. That may be the real answer.
 
Last edited:

SystemicAnomaly

Talk Tennis Guru
Interesting looking product. If you claim it works it would be something to look into.
Let us know how that works out for you. Impressive list of ingredients but without any certifications or any external reviews, I am reluctant to trust it -- even tho tempted.
 

Dartagnan64

G.O.A.T.
If you eat healthy with a balanced diet and fresh, organic ingredients, do you need to take a lot of supplements? It seems like a lot of people in the US eat a lot of processed food, fast food, unhealthy food (high sugar, refined carbs, high saturated fat) and then spend a lot on supplements when they get older. That’s not going to help much if they don’t change their diet as they will still be at risk for diabetes, cardiovascular disease etc.
Never eat anything your great-grandmother wouldn't recognize as food.
 

Rubens

Hall of Fame
Pyridoxine (vitamin B6), biotin (vitamin B7) and cobalamin (vitamin B12). You can get all three in this combo:

TripleB. Get it?
 

SystemicAnomaly

Talk Tennis Guru
you should’ve listened to her. Cow stomach is very good. Vietnamese noodle soup had tripe in it. Good stuff.
Tried tripe once (at grandma's house). Absolutely hated it. And, would only order non-meat phở. I also hated the cuts of meat used in most phở.

The only chicken or turkey I eat is white / breast meat. Not a fan of the dark meat (too much fat and connective tissue).
 

Harry_Wild

G.O.A.T.

Testosterone supplements. Was looking at buying a bottle and look at a monthly supply after the free bottle which is a limited quantity bottle. A full bottle cost $60 - 90 pills. You take 3 a day so you would have a months supply. Supposedly, it has bad side effects but love Frank Thomas Nugenix commercials. He makes plenty on endorsing Nugenix. Still, it very appealing for guys and Frank Thomas now is a sex symbol for the ladies! LOL!
 

bobleenov1963

Hall of Fame

Testosterone supplements. Was looking at buying a bottle and look at a monthly supply after the free bottle which is a limited quantity bottle. A full bottle cost $60 - 90 pills. You take 3 a day so you would have a months supply. Supposedly, it has bad side effects but love Frank Thomas Nugenix commercials. He makes plenty on endorsing Nugenix. Still, it very appealing for guys and Frank Thomas now is a sex symbol for the ladies! LOL!
Nugenix is so fake. What you need is wild bengal tiger kidney or Rhino horn. That will improve your energy tremendously. Those are not cheap.
 

SystemicAnomaly

Talk Tennis Guru
@Connorsfan

Testosterone supplements. Was looking at buying a bottle and look at a monthly supply after the free bottle which is a limited quantity bottle. A full bottle cost $60 - 90 pills. You take 3 a day so you would have a months supply. Supposedly, it has bad side effects but love Frank Thomas Nugenix commercials. He makes plenty on endorsing Nugenix. Still, it very appealing for guys and Frank Thomas now is a sex symbol for the ladies! LOL!
You might be better off taking Pregnenolone, preferably in a sublingual form. (Or, possibly sublingual DHEA). Preg, DHEA, testosterone & other hormones are not normally meant to be delivered through the digestive system. Often, very little of these hormones will survive stomach acids / the digestive tract -- unless some special delivery system is employed.

These hormones are all derived from cholesterol in our body. Our levels of these hormones typically peak in our mid / late 20s. So those under 40 or 50 should probably not be taking very much of any of these -- unless instructed to do so by a medical expert.

Preg provides other benefits to the body besides producing testosterone. Preg is reported to have a positive effect on cognitive function. It can also, possibly, reduce pain in the joints & lower back.

It is usually advised not to take Preg with a testosterone supplement since the combination might produce excessively high levels of T in the body. Note that DHEA is often referred to as the "mother" steroidal hormone. Preg is the grandmother (or master) hormone....

Cholesterol --> Pregnenolone --> DHEA --> other hormones (including testosterone).
 
Last edited:

SystemicAnomaly

Talk Tennis Guru
@Harry_Wild
Probably a good idea to take periodic "vacations" from your testosterone supplement. And alternate it, or replace it, with a sublingual Pregnenolone supplement.

I recall that, back in the 90s, there was a couple of online outfits that would test your DHEA-S saliva levels. Not a bad idea to test T levels, DHEA levels or Preg levels (if possible) to make sure that you are deriving some improvements in your hormone levels without overdoing it. You should probably aim for something less than optimal levels for a 25-year-old. Those high levels in someone who is 50+ might have some unwanted a side effects.
 
Last edited:

SystemicAnomaly

Talk Tennis Guru
Thanks! I will looking into taking Pregnenolone supplements!
Preg has also been used for fatigue, increasing energy and a possible agent to slow down the onset or effects of Alzheimer's Disease. But be very wary of exaggerated claims online for supplementation with this natural hormone.

Note that Preg was synthesized back in the 1930s and was marketed & prescribed as a medication in the 40s & 50s (thru the early 60s?). Because it is a natural, endogenous substance it probably could not be patented. Pharma companies, no doubt, found alternatives that they could patent and make more money with.
 

Connorsfan

New User
@Connorsfan

You might be better off taking Pregnenolone, preferably in a sublingual form. (Or, possibly sublingual DHEA). Preg, DHEA, testosterone & other hormones are not normally meant to be delivered through the digestive system. Often, very little of these hormones will survive stomach acids / the digestive tract -- unless some special delivery system is employed.

These hormones are all derived from cholesterol in our body. Our levels of these hormones typically peak in our mid / late 20s. So those under 40 or 50 should probably not be taking very much of any of these -- unless instructed to do so by a medical expert.

Preg provides other benefits to the body besides producing testosterone. Preg is reported to have a positive effect on cognitive function. It can also, possibly, reduce pain in the joints & lower back.

It is usually advised not to take Preg with a testosterone supplement since the combination might produce excessively high levels of T in the body. Note that DHEA is often referred to as the "mother" steroidal hormone. Preg is the grandmother (or master) hormone....

Cholesterol --> Pregnenolone --> DHEA --> other hormones (including testosterone).
Testosterone works great when it’s injected in your butt cheek. No GI tract interference, doesn’t need to be methylated at the C2 carbon to get past the hepatic system, II RC. Now, dianabol is a “supplement” that works nicely in an oral form. It was one of the Austrian Oaks favorites.
 

SystemicAnomaly

Talk Tennis Guru
Testosterone works great when it’s injected in your butt cheek. No GI tract interference...
No thanks.
... Now, dianabol is a “supplement” that works nicely in an oral form. It was one of the Austrian Oaks favorites.
Again, no thanks. Much prefer to stick with a sublingual steroidal hormone rather than messing with (AAS) anabolic steroids. Not too crazy about the prospect of liver damage, seborrhea, acne, scalp balding, anger control issues, mood swings and gynecomastia.
 

SystemicAnomaly

Talk Tennis Guru
Thanks! I will looking into taking Pregnenolone supplements!
If possible, try to find products that are GMP, NSF, or USP certified. Alternately, you might try an accredited compounding pharmacy.

As mentioned, much of the Pregnenolone should convert to DHEA and downstream hormones, like testosterone. I would suggest getting a baseline of your DHEA-S level. This can be done with a blood test or a saliva test. After 3-6 months of supplementation, test your level again to make sure that your body is assimilating / converting Preg to DHEA. (You might have your testosterone level also tested if you are curious).

I strongly advise that you do not attempt to increase your DHEA-S (and testo) level to those of a 25-year old. Attempting to increase to levels that are too high might result in unwanted imbalances in the body and could have dire detrimental health effects.

In addition to sublinguals, you might want to consider topical creams or lotions. There are a number of topical DHEA and Pregnenolone products on the market. If possible, find one with a liposome delivery system. You can also improve absorption & assimilation of these topicals by using them in conjunction with DMSO (high-grade) or emu oil.

DMSO may irritate some areas of your skin. Use with an aloe vera gel or vitamin E cream to minimize irritation or itchiness. Do not buy DMSO from a hardware store. Those are solvent-grade products that contain potentially dangerous impurities.
 
Last edited:

Waves

Rookie
Of course everyone here knows this but it bears repeating. B12 is made by bacteria on plants, not animals. You can eat less clean vegetables or take a bit extra in pill form. No need to ingest the muscle, organs or body fluids of animals to get it/be in optimal health, athlete or not. Just a whole food, well rounded plant based diet is adequate, despite any biases or narratives that you need to rationalize your choices.

If you are deficient in something, or have a disease, fair enough, take some extra briefly, but adjustments in your diet will suffice in the long run. No good data to suggest otherwise. There is no free lunch, choices have consequences. Having extra body fat does you no good other than providing some insulation.
 

SystemicAnomaly

Talk Tennis Guru
A little to much info here! I have to not do more research before ordering Pregnenolone now. ;)
You'll probably have to do some homework on this since information given for products is not always simple or straightforward. Also, if you buy or do more research, play close attention to the spelling because a couple other substances have very similar spellings.

Correct hormone:
Pregnenolone

Not these:
Pregnanolone
Pregneninolone


In general, whatever possible, when purchasing supplements, it's a good idea to select a product that has one or more of the 3 certifications that I mentioned in my previous text.

That said, it might be difficult to locate a sublingual or transdermal Pregnenolone product with one of these certification logos listed on their bottles. However, I've noticed that sometimes the certifications are listed or mentioned on the box, on the accompanying printed doc (often in very tiny print) or on their official website.
 

SystemicAnomaly

Talk Tennis Guru
A little to much info here! I have to not do more research before ordering Pregnenolone now. ;)
I'm sure you want this to be simple but, sorry, it just ain't. You might want to consider taking a combination of DHEA and Pregnenolone supplements and ointments (as separate products). There are also some products out there that combine DHEA & Preg for you.

I had been taking a sublingual pregnenolone product from Source Naturals (SN) more than a decade ago (I had started using this product back in the 1990s). It was a tablet / lozenge that was supposed to be dissolved under your tongue. However, in looking for this product more recently, I cannot find any Preg from SN that is labeled as sublingual. This is what the current SN product looks like now


From that link:
Have your blood hormone (estrogen, testosterone, DHEA) levels regularly assessed by your physician. Using Pregnenolone may elevate your DHEA levels, and DHEA can increase estrogen and testosterone levels.
 

SystemicAnomaly

Talk Tennis Guru
@Harry_Wild @Connorsfan

I had first started taking DHEA in my mid 40s (back in the 1990s). Shortly after I started this supplementation, I had taken a (mail-in) saliva test to determine my DHEA-S level. As expected, it was on the low side, given my age at the time. After taking DHEA for 6 months, I performed the saliva test again (from the very same outfit). But, to my dismay, my DHEA-S level was still low and was, in fact, slightly lower than it had been 6 month previously -- despite the 6 months of supplementation.

I contacted the outfit that did the testing to see if there might be something wrong with their test results. They provided some very useful feedback. They indicated that this was a very common experience -- since very little (if any) of most oral hormone supplements on the market, like DHEA (& testo products), survive the digestive system for most individuals -- not at all unusual since the digestive system is not the normal hormone pathway our body utilizes.

They had suggested looking for sublingual products and transdermal (topical) products. They also suggested trying Pregnenolone in addition to DHEA. I found a few such products and decided to use both a sublingual and a transdermal cream (with DMSO).

I was using very high levels of DHEA and Preg. When I retested some 4 months or so later, I discovered that my DHEA-S level had gone thru the roof -- my level was significantly higher than the normal range --even for individuals who were 20 years younger than I was at the time.

A clear signal that I was taking too much DHEA / Preg. I had also noticed that I had developed some acne periodically with this elevated level. And, in addition, I heard some noticed that my mood / behavior was somewhat more on the aggressive side -- but not really out of control (yet). These were probably both signs that my T levels had also increased. So, at that point, I decided to back off on the amount of supplementation I was using.

In the late 1990s, Mark McGwire had broken the long-standing seasonal home run record with a phenomenal 70 HRs. It was well known that one of the testosterone supps that MM was using, to enhance his athletic performance, was Androstenedione.

This Andro product was not a banned substance at the time and was readily available OTC. I found a sublingual Andro product and decided to try it for a while. However, after a few weeks of using this supplement, I was dealing with frequent acne outbreaks. But worse, my behavior had gone from aggressive to very aggressive (extremely confrontational & prone to anger). I decided I did not like this behavioral side effect at all -- even tho the substance had been producing a positive effect on athletic performance. At that point, I stopped taking the Andro product and went back to supplementing with DHEA & Preg.
 
Last edited:

SystemicAnomaly

Talk Tennis Guru
I take centrum silver for men 50+
im 28 but I feel great with them
From what I've read, Centrum Silver Men contains no silver! (That was a weak attempt at humor).

But it does contain fairly high levels of vitamin C and the B vitamins -- B1, B2, B3 (niacin), B6, B9 (folic acid) & B12. Also, decent levels of Zinc, Lutein, vitamins A, D, E, K and some minerals & some other nutrients. Altho', unless you're getting a LOT of midday sun exposure, you probably need more vit D (especially in Fall & Winter months)

But, as with most multivitamins, it likely does not a contain a full spectrum for constituents of vitamin A (all carotenes & carotenoids), vitamin E (tocopherols, etc) or bioflavonoids for vitamin C absorption. Multis will usually also lack fiber and various other substances that will promote assimilation of vitamins and minerals. Hopefully, you will be getting all of these from real food.

Centrum Silver Men also lacks iron (Fe) and is low in calcium (Ca). The low Ca surprises me cuz I assumed that older males needed more, not less. The omission of Fe is understandable since males typically need much less iron than females. Unless you have a iron deficiency, due to some health condition, you will probably get more than enough Fe needs from your diet.
 
Last edited:

sureshs

Bionic Poster
From what I've read, Centrum Silver Men contains no silver! (That ws a weak at that humor). But it does contain fairly high levels of vitamin C and the B vitamins -- B1, B2, B3 (niacin), B6, B9 (folic acid) & B12. Also, decent levels of Zinc, Lutein, vitamins A, D, E, K and some minerals & some other nutrients. Altho', unless you're getting a LOT of midday sun exposure, you probably need more vit D (especially in Fall & Winter months)

But, as with most multivitamins, it likely does not a contain a full spectrum for constituents of vitamin A (all carotenes & carotenoids), vitamin E (tocopherols, etc) or bioflavonoids for vitamin C absorption. Multis will usually also lack fiber and various other substances that will promote assimilation of vitamins and minerals. Hopefully, you will be getting all of these from real food.

Centrum Silver Men also lacks iron (Fe) and is low in calcium (Ca). The low Ca surprises me cuz I assumed that older males needed more, not less. The omission of Fe is understandable since males typically need much less iron than females. Unless you have a iron deficiency, due to some health condition, you will probably get more than enough Fe needs from your diet.
The iron used to be there. It has now been taken out by most labels for the over-50 versions. I think FDA does not recommend extra iron unless it is medically required.
 

SystemicAnomaly

Talk Tennis Guru
The iron used to be there. It has now been taken out by most labels for the over-50 versions. I think FDA does not recommend extra iron unless it is medically required.
Iron overload can be an issue for many males. Especially, older males? While an iron deficiency (anemia) can sometimes be a serious problem, there has also been some concern that too much Fe can be an issue for many.

"Concern has been expressed about potential adverse effects of moderately elevated iron stores in middle-aged and older people in that they may be associated with increased risk of several chronic diseases, such as heart disease, cancer and type 2 diabetes mellitus."

 
Last edited:
Top