Swing Vision AI line calls and Analysis

Badmrfrosty

Rookie
Just got an email and ordered this.

Swing Vision

It claims you can use just your iPhone to review line calls and get a detailed analysis of your play. Like automated shot tracking and match tracking. It would be cool to have accurate data on shot placement, speed, spin, etc... I don't have a PlaySight near me or I would definitely go play there. It's supposed to do all that just from Iphone.

I'm super skeptical as these things always tend to over-promise and underdeliver, but said full refund if after 2 weeks you don't like it. I'm going to try it out as if it works like promises killer app, but have a feeling it is going to be buggy and not accurate like the other data tracking tech nerd tennis stuff I've bought.

Anyone know about this or used the apple watch app they have? Anyone use that basketball app steve nash is pushing? Seems like a similar concept.

 

adencool

New User
ive also had this email - its very expensive - with discount its $149 a year

i just dont see how this can work! if the iphone is at one end of the court there is no way it will be able to detect if a ball is in or out approx 30 meters away!
 

Badmrfrosty

Rookie
Yeah I got it for 99$ from that link above but they give you a 2 week trail so I'm canceling if it doesn't work. I'd love for line calls to work but would really just like advanced stats like what you get with play sight.

It would be cool to get automatic match stats like what my first/second serve mph was. Where I was hitting it. Which first serves location were not returned in.

I'll believe it when I see it but if it works exactly as it says I'll gladly pay the money. I'm skeptical as the in/out device seems to have a lot of issues.
 

swupnil

New User
Hey @Badmrfrosty thank you for your interest in SwingVision! I'm the founder :)

I just want to clarify that our initial launch will be focused on shot tracking and analysis. You'll be able to see trends and heat maps around where your shots are landing, their accuracy during a session, etc. You'll be able to answer questions like:
  • How many forehands am I hitting relative to backhands?
  • How often do I slice my backhand vs. hit topspin/flat?
  • How often does my forehand down-the-line go in vs. my forehand cross-court?
  • How accurate is my serve out-wide versus my serve down-the-T?
  • What's my most/least accurate serve/groundstroke direction?
We collect more data every week, and our shot tracking models are getting better every week as well. At our current rate of progression, some time in early 2020 we'll be accurate enough that we can objectively call the lines at least as accurately as a human on the court (this is why we say "(early 2020)" on our website next to the automated match tracking features).

Hopefully we'll be 2x as accurate as humans and end all on-court arguments :)
 
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Hey @Badmrfrosty thank you for your interest in SwingVision! I'm the founder :)

I just want to clarify that our initial launch will be focused on shot tracking and analysis. You'll be able to see trends and heat maps around where your shots are landing, their accuracy during a session, etc. You'll be able to answer questions like:
  • How many forehands am I hitting relative to backhands?
  • How often do I slice my backhand vs. hit topspin/flat?
  • How often does my forehand down-the-line go in vs. my forehand cross-court?
  • How accurate is my serve out-wide versus my serve down-the-T?
  • What's my most/least accurate serve/groundstroke direction?
We collect more data every week, and our shot tracking models are getting better every week as well. At our current rate of progression, some time in early 2020 we'll be accurate enough that we can objectively call the lines at least as accurately as a human on the court (this is why we say "(early 2020)" on our website next to the automated match tracking feature sets).

Hopefully we'll be 2x as accurate as humans and end all on-court arguments :)
Hi @swupnil , Is there any demo video for the features listed? I think a video that shows the application/software working will get more people interested in the purchase.

Do you have plans to release this on Android as well?
 

swupnil

New User
Hi @swupnil , Is there any demo video for the features listed? I think a video that shows the application/software working will get more people interested in the purchase.

Do you have plans to release this on Android as well?
@rider4ever Yes, we just updated the website to include a demo - you can watch it here! Android will come in 2020.

To what degree of accuracy in terms of cm,mm,inches, etc.? How are you compared to In/Out, which I could never get working properly but some have?
@TorontoTennis We'll be more accurate, and perhaps more importantly, more reliable than In/Out. No calibration issues, no hardware issues. Just use your state of the art smartphone and get a better app every week through software updates. As long as it can see the court, it will work :)

We'll release some more information about accuracy closer to launch. The cool part is that we are collecting more and more data constantly, and our algorithms are getting more and more accurate every week!
 

swupnil

New User
When is it launching? The website says October but doesn’t seem to indicate a specific date?
@Tennis_Monk We're fixing the last few bugs, doing some more thorough testing, and also have to get approval from the App Store so there isn't a fixed date yet. Targeting last week of October but potentially sooner!
 

R1FF

Professional
@Tennis_Monk We're fixing the last few bugs, doing some more thorough testing, and also have to get approval from the App Store so there isn't a fixed date yet. Targeting last week of October but potentially sooner!
Loving the feedback/input from you.

Im very interested in your product.
 

burzum

New User
Hi, I tested video analytics today for the first time. It's pretty good, however it was not intuitive for me to set up the camera. I used tripod. I used watch as well, so You can compare data.
The first impression is that You are doing Your best on the court knowing there's a cam somewhere analysing everything You do. The last impression is that watching myself on cam is a horrible experience. I am playing much better in my head, please fix it ;)
The middle impression is that fully loaded iphone XS dies after 1,5-2 hours with no warning. If the app could monitor the battery and give feedback (watch maybe) it would be nice.
And I do not feel very comfortable knowing there's tripod behind my back - still thinking about it while moving back to topspin.

I am still impressed with the possibilities.
 

swupnil

New User
Hi, I tested video analytics today for the first time. It's pretty good, however it was not intuitive for me to set up the camera. I used tripod. I used watch as well, so You can compare data.
The first impression is that You are doing Your best on the court knowing there's a cam somewhere analysing everything You do. The last impression is that watching myself on cam is a horrible experience. I am playing much better in my head, please fix it ;)
The middle impression is that fully loaded iphone XS dies after 1,5-2 hours with no warning. If the app could monitor the battery and give feedback (watch maybe) it would be nice.
And I do not feel very comfortable knowing there's tripod behind my back - still thinking about it while moving back to topspin.

I am still impressed with the possibilities.
Thank you for the feedback! Good to know it makes you play better :)

As for allowing you to enjoy watching yourself, we will have a solution for that later this year where you can easily watch your best rallies only ;)

We’ll be adding some additional instructions on the tripod setup, though you may want to try using the fence mount instead? It’s quite simple to prop up and you never have to worry about running into it on the court!

We’ll look into the battery alerts — awesome idea! We’ll also be introducing an update later in the year that will give you the option to analyze the video overnight rather than real time — this should help a lot.

Another thing to try would be to put your phone on Airplane mode so that it’s not using extra resources for any background uploading/downloading from other apps (y)
 

Badmrfrosty

Rookie
How did you test? I paid for this back in september and still haven't gotten any word that it is live. Just opened the app and it says coming soon.
 

swupnil

New User
How did you test? I paid for this back in september and still haven't gotten any word that it is live. Just opened the app and it says coming soon.
We opened the app up for some beta testing with existing active users of the watch app. Set for release today! Stay tuned :)
 

swupnil

New User
Still shows coming soon. Do we need to update the app or something? Checked app store and see no updates.
Please check again! It was approved around 7PM PT last night, but took some time to propagate throughout the store in all geographies. All set now :)
 

swupnil

New User
Unfortunately Downloaded latest and still same.
Could you share a screenshot? You can also email us at support@swing.tennis and we can get this resolved offline.

Maybe the "Coming Soon" you're referring to is the match tracking? If so, that won't be released until 2020. This current release is focused on singles rallying. We'll slowly support more scenarios over the next few months!
 

Nostradamus

Bionic Poster
Just got an email and ordered this.

Swing Vision

It claims you can use just your iPhone to review line calls and get a detailed analysis of your play. Like automated shot tracking and match tracking. It would be cool to have accurate data on shot placement, speed, spin, etc... I don't have a PlaySight near me or I would definitely go play there. It's supposed to do all that just from Iphone.

I'm super skeptical as these things always tend to over-promise and underdeliver, but said full refund if after 2 weeks you don't like it. I'm going to try it out as if it works like promises killer app, but have a feeling it is going to be buggy and not accurate like the other data tracking tech nerd tennis stuff I've bought.

Anyone know about this or used the apple watch app they have? Anyone use that basketball app steve nash is pushing? Seems like a similar concept.

wow,, if Roddick had this in his day, he would have won multiple wimbledons
 

Tennis_Monk

Hall of Fame
Could you share a screenshot? You can also email us at support@swing.tennis and we can get this resolved offline.

Maybe the "Coming Soon" you're referring to is the match tracking? If so, that won't be released until 2020. This current release is focused on singles rallying. We'll slowly support more scenarios over the next few months!
When I click “ video “ menu at the bottom, that’s when I see coming soon. Not sure if there’s another menu option to record video
 
Please check again! It was approved around 7PM PT last night, but took some time to propagate throughout the store in all geographies. All set now :)
Tried the video analysis today. The shot tracking looks good and the ins, out and shot placement is useful info. Don't think anything like this available on the market at this price range. So Good job on implementing and I hope the app takes off and is successful.

I have a couple questions regarding some features.
1. Is the video overlay as shown in your demo part of this release? I don't see the overlay in the video but it's only been a couple hours after the recording. If not, when do you plan to release it?

2. When is the side change support feature estimated to release? I think this should be the priority since the app becomes very limited if you need stick to one side.

Again. Thanks for the good work. The tennis community needs an app like this.
 

swupnil

New User
Tried the video analysis today. The shot tracking looks good and the ins, out and shot placement is useful info. Don't think anything like this available on the market at this price range. So Good job on implementing and I hope the app takes off and is successful.

I have a couple questions regarding some features.
1. Is the video overlay as shown in your demo part of this release? I don't see the overlay in the video but it's only been a couple hours after the recording. If not, when do you plan to release it?

2. When is the side change support feature estimated to release? I think this should be the priority since the app becomes very limited if you need stick to one side.

Again. Thanks for the good work. The tennis community needs an app like this.
Thanks for the feedback! Both of those features will come in around the same time. Hard to say exactly when but early 2020 is the target.

The good news is that once we can handle side changes, we will also be able to track more than 2 players (i.e. doubles) so it’s going to be an epic update!
 
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