silverwyvern4
Semi-Pro
It edits the deadtime between points and lets me make highlights. That's all I need. I don't even look at line calls or speed or statistics.
Swing Vision AI line calls and Analysis
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TesseractOrion
New User
Some of us want a lot more than that, at least from the Pro version.
silverwyvern4
Semi-Pro
forzamr_b
Rookie
Nah, should be way lower. I periodically uninstall and install the app to get rid of these junk temp files. I also make sure I fully upload sessions (even aborted ones), offload them, then delete (rather than straight delete) as I suspect that contributes to the junk temp file accumulation.
Can say ios18 broke it for me so I’m having the same issues on an ipad with m2
silverwyvern4
Semi-Pro
I gave up on using it with my ipad with m1
Thanks for the tips.
silverwyvern4
Semi-Pro
I sometimes lose first point of first game, which is deuce
That happens to me too. Is there an option for no auto scoring? Seems like that option actually cuts outs a lot of actual points?
silverwyvern4
Semi-Pro
Yes there is that option
JoJoHackshow
Rookie
theblueark
New User
There's an option for this (a little hard to find). On the iPhone, at the playback screen, tap the screen once so it shows the options such as "Edit Point", "Edit Shot" and "Add Shot" icons. Tap on the "Settings" icon on the top right.
Under the "Point Playback" options, you can change the "Point Start seconds before" to -2, -1 or 0 (default).
I've pretty much read the entire 22 pages going back almost five full years now on this SwingVision thread. After reading all the content, and all the people chiming in, one thing has become abundantly clear.
@swupnil clearly isn't listening and doesn't care about non-apple users!
Yes, blah, blah, blah, Android chipsets aren't fast enough, blah, blah, blah. Ok, we get it. However the part you're not listening to is there is a huge community right here, consisting of apple and non-apple users alike, that literally don't care about live processing and automated line calling! That's literally all you need the iPhone chipset for; live processing.
All we want to do is record a session, upload it to a computer (windows) and then let your software analyze the video.
You're taking this all or nothing approach to non-apple users and we're telling you, there's a good middle ground and another business model. Most of us still want post processing support and would be happy to pay for it! At some point in the future when the Android chipsets support it, then make an android app that supports live processing. But let's be honest, it's been five years now and they still don't support what you want them to do, so I don't think it's coming anytime soon, if ever. And even if it is possible in the future, it's probably only for a select few Android phone models, not every android phone. So your app will have a very limited number of Android users. For now though there's a bunch of us right here in the forum telling you we'd pay purely for post-processing on our desktop/laptop computers! And I stress our computers. I don't want to have to upload a 40gb file to your servers for analysis just to spit out a 4 GB file in return. Computers are WAY more powerful than iPhones and I don't want to rely on your cloud servers or my Internet connection in order to process the video. Even if live processing is added for all Android phones in the future, there's still a ton of us that only want/care about post processing! Plus many of us don't want to mount our $1000+ phones to the top of a fence risking injury to our main form of communication. Having your phone mounted to a fence renders it useless. If I get a phone call halfway through my match or I need to check text messages I'm not going to pull the stick off the fence, check my phone and then put it back up on the fence. Maybe I just want my phone to check on a sports score on changeovers. The point is, we don't want our phones mounted in the first place. There are a lot of inexpensive cameras that can capture 60fps and 4k video! Let us use our our own recording device and then use your software for the analysis part. That way your software is completely hardware independent and you don't have any bottlenecks.
Your money is in your software and your analysis of video. Porting that code to a new interface like Windows is not the expensive part. The R&D is the expensive part. Coming up with the mockups, layouts, user interface, how things are tied together, what to look for, how the video is analyzed, your algorithms, etc, etc, that's the expensive part. I know, I have worked in software for over 25 years! Porting is the easy part!
In fact, you should do what other companies have done. The software itself is free, but you have to pay for a license in order to process a video. After it's been processed, add meta tags to it. Then you can upload it to any cloud storage facility the user would want to use and they can share with their friends. The friends can download the video and play it back as just a video or they could download your software onto their computer and the meta tagging could be used to present extra info and stats they can see while watching the video. Making the input processing of the video a paid feature while the post-processed playback a free feature would expose your software to a lot larger audience and would draw in even more customers. This would be similar to how Adobe Acrobat readers are free to use but Acrobat document creation and editing requires a license to use.
Obviously everything is baby steps though right? Start with a desktop app that analyzes the video. You already have all the proprietary software you need for that. All you need to do is a simple port to windows. Let us use your software to analyze our own videos. Your all-or-nothing approach to non-apple users is extremely frustrating! The market is there. There's countless pages of people asking for it, you're just choosing to ignore it.
@swupnil clearly isn't listening and doesn't care about non-apple users!
Yes, blah, blah, blah, Android chipsets aren't fast enough, blah, blah, blah. Ok, we get it. However the part you're not listening to is there is a huge community right here, consisting of apple and non-apple users alike, that literally don't care about live processing and automated line calling! That's literally all you need the iPhone chipset for; live processing.
All we want to do is record a session, upload it to a computer (windows) and then let your software analyze the video.
You're taking this all or nothing approach to non-apple users and we're telling you, there's a good middle ground and another business model. Most of us still want post processing support and would be happy to pay for it! At some point in the future when the Android chipsets support it, then make an android app that supports live processing. But let's be honest, it's been five years now and they still don't support what you want them to do, so I don't think it's coming anytime soon, if ever. And even if it is possible in the future, it's probably only for a select few Android phone models, not every android phone. So your app will have a very limited number of Android users. For now though there's a bunch of us right here in the forum telling you we'd pay purely for post-processing on our desktop/laptop computers! And I stress our computers. I don't want to have to upload a 40gb file to your servers for analysis just to spit out a 4 GB file in return. Computers are WAY more powerful than iPhones and I don't want to rely on your cloud servers or my Internet connection in order to process the video. Even if live processing is added for all Android phones in the future, there's still a ton of us that only want/care about post processing! Plus many of us don't want to mount our $1000+ phones to the top of a fence risking injury to our main form of communication. Having your phone mounted to a fence renders it useless. If I get a phone call halfway through my match or I need to check text messages I'm not going to pull the stick off the fence, check my phone and then put it back up on the fence. Maybe I just want my phone to check on a sports score on changeovers. The point is, we don't want our phones mounted in the first place. There are a lot of inexpensive cameras that can capture 60fps and 4k video! Let us use our our own recording device and then use your software for the analysis part. That way your software is completely hardware independent and you don't have any bottlenecks.
Your money is in your software and your analysis of video. Porting that code to a new interface like Windows is not the expensive part. The R&D is the expensive part. Coming up with the mockups, layouts, user interface, how things are tied together, what to look for, how the video is analyzed, your algorithms, etc, etc, that's the expensive part. I know, I have worked in software for over 25 years! Porting is the easy part!
In fact, you should do what other companies have done. The software itself is free, but you have to pay for a license in order to process a video. After it's been processed, add meta tags to it. Then you can upload it to any cloud storage facility the user would want to use and they can share with their friends. The friends can download the video and play it back as just a video or they could download your software onto their computer and the meta tagging could be used to present extra info and stats they can see while watching the video. Making the input processing of the video a paid feature while the post-processed playback a free feature would expose your software to a lot larger audience and would draw in even more customers. This would be similar to how Adobe Acrobat readers are free to use but Acrobat document creation and editing requires a license to use.
Obviously everything is baby steps though right? Start with a desktop app that analyzes the video. You already have all the proprietary software you need for that. All you need to do is a simple port to windows. Let us use your software to analyze our own videos. Your all-or-nothing approach to non-apple users is extremely frustrating! The market is there. There's countless pages of people asking for it, you're just choosing to ignore it.
happyloman
Professional
@swupnil
An observation from a long-time Swing vision subscriber:
The "Challenge" feature seems to have regressed. When I click "challenge" on my apple watch, I get a screen that doesn't show the ball landing by the line in question. Instead, I get a screen shot of the point that is off by a few frames (rendering it useless as a challenge tool). I'm on the latest app version. The Challenge feature USED to work (sometimes well), but it hasn't been working for me for a few months. The A.I. line calling hasn't been reliable (lots of false positives as well as false negatives), so the loss of this challenge feature has limited the value of this product to be a video trimmer.
An observation from a long-time Swing vision subscriber:
The "Challenge" feature seems to have regressed. When I click "challenge" on my apple watch, I get a screen that doesn't show the ball landing by the line in question. Instead, I get a screen shot of the point that is off by a few frames (rendering it useless as a challenge tool). I'm on the latest app version. The Challenge feature USED to work (sometimes well), but it hasn't been working for me for a few months. The A.I. line calling hasn't been reliable (lots of false positives as well as false negatives), so the loss of this challenge feature has limited the value of this product to be a video trimmer.
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happyloman
Professional
silverwyvern4
Semi-Pro
In!@swupnil The third screenshot shows how the tennis ball is not visible in the zoomed-in view. This has been happening for a few months (but it used to work before that).. This challenge feature does work sometimes.
silverwyvern4
Semi-Pro
I traded my M1 Ipad Pro to the kids for their basic ipad A14
no longer able to import video. recorded on iphone se 2 at hd/60fps, attempting to process on same device.
import process selects the vid, takes its time to fill little pie graph process indicator, then I get the screen with the big green button that says "begin processing" but before I get a chance to do anything the app dies and I'm kicked back to the home screen.
my usual work flow is to trim the video to process the section I want. ok maybe that's the problem so I tried creating a whole new video - same behavior. ok maybe there's something in my caches. same behavior after rebooting the whole phone. same behavior after deleting and re-installing swingvision.
actually, what then happens is the imported video is created as an entry (and I have multiple entries for this one video because of the app crashing), but that entry has the process video button on it, and pressing that actually seems to start the process correctly (maybe?)
import process selects the vid, takes its time to fill little pie graph process indicator, then I get the screen with the big green button that says "begin processing" but before I get a chance to do anything the app dies and I'm kicked back to the home screen.
my usual work flow is to trim the video to process the section I want. ok maybe that's the problem so I tried creating a whole new video - same behavior. ok maybe there's something in my caches. same behavior after rebooting the whole phone. same behavior after deleting and re-installing swingvision.
actually, what then happens is the imported video is created as an entry (and I have multiple entries for this one video because of the app crashing), but that entry has the process video button on it, and pressing that actually seems to start the process correctly (maybe?)
forzamr_b
Rookie
I experience this occasionally with my 13 mini, sometimes while the pie chart timer is progressing, sometimes when I click “begin processing”. But have always been able to eventually import the video. Usually, by the 2nd attempt and the import will be quick - immediately goes to the “begin processing” page. Eventually, I’ll see the failed attempts appear in my session list too.
silverwyvern4
Semi-Pro
Tripod
netlets
Professional
Doesn’t it have to be higher than that?
I cannot wait to see Swing Vision used at junior tournaments in the southeast. I know there was a pilot in 2024 in SOCAL, but heard from our USTA Southern person at one of our board meetings that GA may be going with another tool? I don't know what it could be. @swupnil any ideas? Can we get in GA? I know you guys have an absolutely fantastic rep in the NEGA area!
It would be nice to see juniors not having so many line call issues, at least at the level 5 and higher tournaments.
It would be nice to see juniors not having so many line call issues, at least at the level 5 and higher tournaments.
DrTompu
Rookie
Very sad with last update, cutted off the option in app to see basics statistics. Now you need to be pro user to acces how many strokes you hitted effect and speed.
I accept and support that advanced statistics shall be for pro users but I feel like cutting the basics is just not cool.
I accept and support that advanced statistics shall be for pro users but I feel like cutting the basics is just not cool.
We just submitted a fix and hopefully it will be out in the next couple days.
swupnil
Rookie
@JoJoHackshow we are planning to have an update in a few weeks that will automatically add some more time around serves!
swupnil
Rookie
@netlets a few customers use this tall tripod for indoor setups. You mainly need the height if you care about line calls and accurate AI Scoring. Otherwise, if your main goal is trimming the video, watching highlights and doing some technique analysis, a 5 ft tripod will suffice.
swupnil
Rookie
@taylor15 we just did an L3 this weekend in SoCal - the first ever outdoor, national-level USTA event to use electronic line calling of any kind. I'd be curious to chat with your contact at Southern. There's no other system capable of providing ELC at the scale we can. In this weekend's event a staff of just 2 people ran electronic line calling on 14 outdoor courts simultaneously.
swupnil
Rookie
@waterpro I appreciate your enthusiasm, and yes, I'm not denying that there are *some* users out there who will be okay with non-live processing. But that number simply does not scale beyond a few hundred (or low quadruple digit, at best) users.
We used to offer offline-processing for older iPhones and the retention was so low (and customer support complaints so high) that it just made no sense. We no longer allow older iPhones prior to the A12 chipset to even download the app because of this.
Android is a major ongoing investment and it simply does not make sense, especially for a company that is not yet profitable, to invest those resources into a product experience that we already know is going to be extremely subpar at scale. The math just doesn't work.
Given what we've seen between iOS and Mac usage, we have no intent to make a Windows app for the same reason.
It's live processing or nothing, unfortunately. Android just has to get there and it eventually will. You can bet we will be the first to jump on the opportunity when it arises.
We used to offer offline-processing for older iPhones and the retention was so low (and customer support complaints so high) that it just made no sense. We no longer allow older iPhones prior to the A12 chipset to even download the app because of this.
Android is a major ongoing investment and it simply does not make sense, especially for a company that is not yet profitable, to invest those resources into a product experience that we already know is going to be extremely subpar at scale. The math just doesn't work.
Given what we've seen between iOS and Mac usage, we have no intent to make a Windows app for the same reason.
It's live processing or nothing, unfortunately. Android just has to get there and it eventually will. You can bet we will be the first to jump on the opportunity when it arises.
Sad to hear this about the android update but seems the correct decision (would be great if the FAQ could be updated on the website.) Good to know so I'm not holding out on my next phone to see if I need the pixel 11 or whatever to run it.
Separate iPhone SE life it is
