Swingweight-At what point can you feel a difference?

acer

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In previous threads I was asking about my Volkl C10 Pro and the fact that it feels a little hard on my shoulder. Some replies were that I should try a racquet with a lower swingweight. That got me wondering, when do you notice a change in swingweight? Is it an indivdual thing! For ex. The C10 has a swingweight of 323 and my old Wilson Prostaff 7.1 has a swingweight of 318. You can really feel the difference in swingweight and this is only a 5 point difference. I thought a change of at least 10 points is when you would even notice a difference. I guess I was wrong but does anyone have any facts or info. on this.

Let me know

Acer
 
It's an idividual thing. Some people can notice small differences, some can only notice large differences. There is a lot that goes into how heavy a person perceives a racquet to be, and the criteria and the ability to judge those criteria vary from person to person.
 
If you swing the racquets back to back, you can probably notice a swingweight difference of 2% pretty easily. However, if you were to have two unlabeled racquets and pick one up, you probably can't tell which one you have unless there's at least a 5% difference. Even then, after playing with that racquet for a few minutes, the difference pretty much goes away.

Some people may be more sensitive, and if you play a lot you're probably going to be able to pick up smaller differences.
 
I have noticed for myself that 320 seems to be the magic number. It's pretty uncanny really - 320 or less is fine and anything higher absolutely isn't. It's probably different for many people. However, I have heard 320 as a cutoff mentioned by a number of other people I've talked to. You probably need to find what works best for yourself.
 
Hi, Acer. Ash and Midlife are right, different people have different sensitivities to swingweight. Some might feel 4 points while others won't be able to notice a change until 10+ points.

I would have jumped into your other thread, but it seemed to be mostly about Volkl and I haven't hit with any of their newer models. I did try the C10 Pro for a month and C9 Pro for a couple of months and can compare them if you want me to.

As far as your shoulder, I had some serious shoulder problems (torn rotator cuff) many years ago. While higher swingweight can aggravate wrist problems, I believe you'll find that higher frame weight is what stresses the shoulder the most.

For example, I haven't had any shoulder problems or pain in years. I normally use a PD+. Because of some discussions here on the boards, I recently took several of my classic 12+ ounce mid frames (PS 85, Kramer Staff, POG, Max 200G, Yamaha Black Gold 90) out for a hit a couple of times. During play, I could tell how much harder my shoulder was working. For a couple of days afterwards each time, my shoulder was pretty sore.

Now, the swingweight on these frames was lower than the PD+ by quite a bit. And, they are all shorter (some people feel that extended length frames stress the shoulder). To me, though, the main difference was the weight. I could literally feel the extra stress on my shoulder during play. Of course, I was also having to swing harder than with my PD+'s.

Which brings me to the other important factor for reducing shoulder stress IMO, power. Swinging a more powerful frame really reduces the amount of work that the shoulder has to do, thus reducing stress.

Now, some people claim that stiff frames and tight strings are bad for the shoulder due to shock. Most people's shoulder problems result from stress due to torque, overuse, and/or bad technique, not shock. If you search the forums, you'll find that people complaining about shoulder problems typically are using heavy frames. Their shoulder problems often happen when changing to a heavier frame.

The C10 is a heavy stick and it requires a full swing to get power (though not as violent a swing as any of my "classics"). I finally decided it wasn't the right frame for me because it was heavy and I was having to work just a little harder than I wanted to.

Unfortunately, it seems that the frame characteristics that help reduce shoulder stress (lighter and more powerful) are things that are bad for TE/GE (lighter and stiffer). I ultimately ended up playing 11 ounce frames with tweener power because they were easier on my shoulder. If you have any TE/GE problems, though, you may also want to look for something that's not too stiff. BTW, the C9 was easy on both the arm and the shoulder.
 
acer said:
For ex. The C10 has a swingweight of 323 and my old Wilson Prostaff 7.1 has a swingweight of 318. You can really feel the difference in swingweight and this is only a 4 point difference.

Well, actually that's a 5 point difference, but that's splitting hairs.

Personally, I probably don't notice a 1 point difference, but at 2 points or more I start to notice it, I think.

I'm with North, I think my ideal SW is 320 also.
 
JD-Would really appreciate your comments on the C10 Pro and C9 Pro

Corrected it BreakPoint. Just one of those days. JD-Would really appreciate your comments on the C10 Pro and C9 Pro. I have only used the C10 Pro but it does make my arm sore(mainly shoulder, can feel it in my elbow and wrist a bit). Sorry, what racquet is the PD+?

Acer
 
acer said:
Corrected it BreakPoint. Just one of those days. JD-Would really appreciate your comments on the C10 Pro and C9 Pro. I have only used the C10 Pro but it does make my arm sore(mainly shoulder, can feel it in my elbow and wrist a bit). Sorry, what racquet is the PD+?

Acer

The PD+ is the Babolat Pure Drive Plus (27.5 in.).

The C9 Pro definitely swings much easier than the C10 Pro. Unfortunately, the C9 Pro has been discontinued for over 5 years so they are very hard to find.

BTW, shoulder soreness is a good sign that the racquet that you're swinging is too heavy for you.
 
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