Swingweight - the most important spec
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Power Player
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I'd go with 6 grams which is 4 6 inch strips. It will add roughly 12 points.
kaiser
Semi-Pro
Having seen a vid of you hitting, I don't doubt that you have the strength and the strokes to benefit from a high SW. I think the biggest challenge is in the footwork, one has to be in position and prepared early in order to involve one's core properly in one's strokes.
Personally, when on court I've never felt my Tours to be too heavy for me, it's only when I'm on this forum (which is far too often these days...) that I start wondering that they may be limiting me. Indeed, I've discussed this with three different coaches I worked with over the past year, and none thought my rackets were too heavy for me. Yes, perhaps a lighter stick might help me in tight situations, but I'm a big guy (1m96, 97 kg) with long strokes, so the consensus was I need a heavier racket.
PP,
I remember you trying MgR/I thing (I was following that thread as I was looking to try it myself) and thus going up high in the swingweight, but then I also remember you saying the high swingweight didn't work for you for certain reasons.
Absolutely no offence, just out of curiosity, why do you try to go up again? What has changed?
I'm also trying to dial in the “best” working swingweight for me, but I’m still in trial and error period, so this thread got me really interested…
Regards,
Irakli
I remember you trying MgR/I thing (I was following that thread as I was looking to try it myself) and thus going up high in the swingweight, but then I also remember you saying the high swingweight didn't work for you for certain reasons.
Absolutely no offence, just out of curiosity, why do you try to go up again? What has changed?
I'm also trying to dial in the “best” working swingweight for me, but I’m still in trial and error period, so this thread got me really interested…
Regards,
Irakli
Power Player
Bionic Poster
Not much has changed. It is looking like my ideal SW is between 335-340 from this experimentation.
The MgR stick was just too heavy at the time. But I always revisit heavier sticks now and then as I play with a more and more loose arm.
I plan to put 2 grams at 12 on each stick for now and go from there. I'll have them at 335 SW which swings really well on the Blades.
The MgR stick was just too heavy at the time. But I always revisit heavier sticks now and then as I play with a more and more loose arm.
I plan to put 2 grams at 12 on each stick for now and go from there. I'll have them at 335 SW which swings really well on the Blades.
TheLambsheadrep
Professional
After reading a ton of stuff on the boards from Travlerajm and xFullCourtTenniSx, I went head first (yet knowing my limits) into racquet weight customizing. I brought my first set of racquets to 360g and 330SW, and my second set to 360g and 350SW (they were about an oz heavier and had a higher SW than the first set at both set's original specs). I thought I was all good and mission accomplished, but then I read the posts about Mgr/I and realized my racquets needed to be +13oz for it to be achieved. I didn't think I was ready for that, but then I got a POG recently that weighed in stock at about 13.5oz and 365W, and when I measured everything I needed to get Mgr/I, it came out right about at the optimized number, STOCK! So after I hit with it more and realized I could handle the weight, I went to a racquet from the first set of racquets that I had not customized yet. It is now 380g (A LOT of lead all the way up and down the handle) and 365SW, balance roughly 7pts HL. It feels so great, and a year ago I never would have thought this would be a good idea.
Moral of the story - Travlerajm's insight on massive weight and swing weight can be utilized, but I would recommend working your way up to it. It's just like an actual work out, if you're just starting and try to bench 300lbs, you're going to hurt yourself and probably be discouraged enough to give it up. The one thing I don't like about weight customization is that it should be specific to you, and that can require a lot of trial and error. Especially if lead is under the grip, it's a long process of taking off the grip, removing, adding, or relocating tape, taping the grip back up, measuring the new specs, then trying it out again. Sometimes you liked it the way it was better or just think the new specs aren't good either...judgements can be made in haste...The whole thing from start to finish takes patience, be 100% sure of that. This is what I did though - while it is important to get your results specific to you, you may not know where to start. I personally had no idea what might be the best for me initially. But don't we all want to be like the pros or at least want to feel what they're swinging? On talk tennis there is so much info about one specific player's racquet specs and even averages for the tour by certain years. I found out that 360g is about average for pro weight, and since that was relatively close to my second set of racquets, that's how I wanted to start. That thinking may not be for everyone, but that's what I did and it worked fine and began my learning experience
Moral of the story - Travlerajm's insight on massive weight and swing weight can be utilized, but I would recommend working your way up to it. It's just like an actual work out, if you're just starting and try to bench 300lbs, you're going to hurt yourself and probably be discouraged enough to give it up. The one thing I don't like about weight customization is that it should be specific to you, and that can require a lot of trial and error. Especially if lead is under the grip, it's a long process of taking off the grip, removing, adding, or relocating tape, taping the grip back up, measuring the new specs, then trying it out again. Sometimes you liked it the way it was better or just think the new specs aren't good either...judgements can be made in haste...The whole thing from start to finish takes patience, be 100% sure of that. This is what I did though - while it is important to get your results specific to you, you may not know where to start. I personally had no idea what might be the best for me initially. But don't we all want to be like the pros or at least want to feel what they're swinging? On talk tennis there is so much info about one specific player's racquet specs and even averages for the tour by certain years. I found out that 360g is about average for pro weight, and since that was relatively close to my second set of racquets, that's how I wanted to start. That thinking may not be for everyone, but that's what I did and it worked fine and began my learning experience
I've been thinking about the new Wilson Blade 98 (16X19). The SW seems to be in the optimal range that most here are talking about. Any reason why it is on 1 point HL. As a "players frame," it seems that most would prefer more HL in order whip or increase the racquet head speed. Has anyone tried it or have any thoughts?
PED
Legend
PP, so are you going to use the blade stock plus 2g or will the 2g be inaddition to the 350 or so gram setup?
Power Player
Bionic Poster
It's a light stick. Weighs in around 325 before dampener and grip. So balancing it like that makes it more solid.
No, stock plus 2 grams in handle and 2 grams at 12.
I figure I can always add 2 more grams down the road if needed.
Tranqville
Hall of Fame
@Power Player Sorry to bump up an old thread, but the subject is really interesting. What is your current view on the optimal weight and swing weight? What about 305g 3-4HL racquets?
Power Player
Bionic Poster
Not sure there is an optimal SW but I personally like high 320s low 330s.
I went to 6 pts HL because of a shoulder injury. Makes it easier for me to serve. Plus I volley more now so that helps as well.
Tranqville
Hall of Fame
Are you saying 3-4 HL racquets are bad for the shoulder?
Power Player
Bionic Poster
For MY shoulder. I would not apply that as a general rule.
Tranqville
Hall of Fame
Safetey concerns stop me from getting racquets like RS 305 that I very much like otherwise. It looks like light racquets with high SW cause problems with wrist, elbow, shoulder more often. I wonder if that is indeed the case and, if so, what are the physics behind that. Maybe something to do with centrifugal force?
Power Player
Bionic Poster
Its a tough call there. I think it is very safe to try the RS305 and I doubt you will have any issues. One thing I would say is with more HH balanced frames, you need to really make sure your serve technique is dialed in. Last thing you want to be doing is using your arm/shoulder for power on a frame that is harder to whip to contact.
If your serve technique is nice and loose, then honestly you should be fine. The most challenging part of a 3-4 HL balance after the serve is at the net, and you also want to make sure you can generate the tip speed to lift and rip short low balls over the net when needed.
I am not sure you can say for sure that lighter frame, higher SWs cause injury. I think they can be more challenging if you arm the ball or have questionable technique since they take a little more effort to swing. The 16x19 RS appears to have a lower SW though, so that may be a safer starting point.
Tranqville
Hall of Fame
Thank you for sharing your thoughts, @Power Player 315 RS has 152HZ vibration frequency vs 143HZ for the 305. I don't really know how foam works in terms of dampening higher frequencies, but 152HZ could be a bit risky for my wrist. Normally I prefer vibration freq. under 140HZ. I'm very comfortable with 330-335 SW in a HL racquet.
Power Player
Bionic Poster
You could check out the Diadem Elevate frames. I find them to be more comfortable than Tecnifibre even though they don't have vibration listed. Regardless I prefer low frequency frames as well and I think the Elevate falls into the category. Flex is like 61 on the non tour version.
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