switching from Yonex RDS OO1 MP to Fischer MSpeed - need advice

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Deleted member 6835

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Hey,

After about 2-3 months of playing in the outdoor season so far, im halfway to getting tennis elbow or something with my yonex rds 001 mp. i believe it has a bit to do with my technique, the way the frame is, and the string (topspin cyberflash - poly).

I've read about people having arm trouble with it in the past, but i never believed them, and i thought they were crazy, but ive been proved wrong. i never had arm problems with it until now, when im playing with hard hitting players. the racket literally shakes in my hand against heavy hitters (even when hitting the sweetspot i find), and to fix that i have to hold hte racket really tightly. And when i do this, not only is my technique not very good, but any mis-hit basically destroys my arm. Over the last few days, playing a lot, i've gotten a big swelling in my right arm, which i might need physio for.

So naturally, im looking for a more flexible frame, flexible and comfortable. But i need something powerful, because im small and generating power can be a bit hard for me. I have a redondo MP sitting in my back, strung low with a poly (it needs restringing), but ive always found it too underpowered, and ive realized im not much of a fan of dense string patters. I need something GOOD for SERVING, as well, because its the weakest part of my game that i have to improve. Not that im expecting the racket to magically make my serve better, but i dont want something that will make it worse... (due to lack of power or spin capability).

With all this in mind, i need some racket suggestions. Something between 11.5-12 oz, low flex, as in lower than 63, 16x19 or 16x20 string pattern, SW from 320-330


The first racket im thinking of is the Fischer MSpeed Pro (regular heavier version), but im not sure which headsize to go for (98 or 105).

Any advice or recommendations are greatly appreciated.
Thanks

EDIT: i should add that im planning to string the racket i get with a syn gut main and poly cross, so that would factor into the power department (maybe the 105 would be too powerful? at least, according to reviews ive read so far...). Maybe with that in mind, the 98 would be better? Im not sure.
 
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NoBadMojo

G.O.A.T.
First off, whoever told you to hold the racquet tighter should be given a full frontal cortex lobotomy......

Also, poly strings are notoriously low powered strings not to mention send shock through your arm so i would avoid poly in general. In fact, you might wish to restring your current frame with something comfortable and see if that doesnt help you. try Klip Venom..it's very good for TE sufferers but doesnt play like mush, has good juice, but has a lot of bite so you can control the power

The mSpeed, by most accounts is a low powered frame, so while I am sure it will be comfortable, it likely isnt going to give you the power you seek. You could try one strung up low with a lively string and see if that gives you enough power and control

If you need power, you need to think less along the lines of flexible, and there are stiffer racquets out there these days which are comfortable to hit.

I would start by determining what your optimal swingweight range is an take it from there once you exhaust the string option...
 

bad_call

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i suggest using the racquet finder using the specs u want and using a slightly powered multi (since u need some extra pop). definitely stay away from the polys til ur arm gets a bit better. icing has helped my elbow...along with the 60 flex T10V mid and soft multis.
 
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Deleted member 6835

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thanks for the replies so far.
NBM, no one told me to hold the racket tighter, that was my idea... LOL :) i didnt know what else to do.

you mentioned that there are rackets which are stiff but comfortable. can you give me some examples please? im just really afraid taht ill waste money on something that will just end up making my arm even worse..
 
I'm having the same problems with the PD+ right now, I had similiar string set up too Pro Hurricane 17/Superfine play 16. Maybe it is just the poly's that hurt my arm a lot. I was considering heavily switching to the RDS 001, guess I wont be now.

I'm going to demo:
RDS 002 Tour
Head LM/FXP Instinct
Pro Kennex 7G
Technifibre 335
Bab PC+

lemme know how the Fischer works out, I'll add that to my demo list too.
 

adso1973

Semi-Pro
Hi, another racquet you should have in your mind with the aspects you are describing is the Prince Hybrid Tour, personally sometimes I love it and sometimes I hate it..
Has a lot of power (compared with other players racquets), heavy, stiff and is very, very confortable (I have it with kirshbaun competition mains+ wilson sensation crossess)...
Reasons to hate it, sometimes I think it has too much power for a heavy flat hitter as me.
 

NoBadMojo

G.O.A.T.
thanks for the replies so far.
NBM, no one told me to hold the racket tighter, that was my idea... LOL :) i didnt know what else to do.

you mentioned that there are rackets which are stiff but comfortable. can you give me some examples please? im just really afraid taht ill waste money on something that will just end up making my arm even worse..

ooops..well you should give yourself a lobotomy then :) it's a little harder to do to yourself..kinda like cutting your own hair.............and everything is backwards in the mirror and becomes a bit confusing

people seem to naturally squeeze their grip tightly just before impact, and if anything, they hold it too tightly to begin with, not too loosely..In fact, making an effort to consiously hold on tighter could be making your problem worse, not to mention jamming up your technique

if you know what swingweight range is right for you i could probably make some recommendations, but generally, Volkl and PK make some stiffer frames which are comfortable and are powerful without that flyaway type power. I hope PK sticks around..they consider the health of the user.
 

abrahavt

Rookie
The Fischer MSpeed 105 with gut/poly hybrid strung in the low 50s has more than enough power to make you happy.
 
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Deleted member 6835

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Hi, another racquet you should have in your mind with the aspects you are describing is the Prince Hybrid Tour, personally sometimes I love it and sometimes I hate it..
Has a lot of power (compared with other players racquets), heavy, stiff and is very, very confortable (I have it with kirshbaun competition mains+ wilson sensation crossess)...
Reasons to hate it, sometimes I think it has too much power for a heavy flat hitter as me.

hey, i actually hit with a hybrid tour a couple of weeks ago. it was very comfortable, no arm trouble or anything, but the response was inconsistent x 1000 :) lol i just couldnt get used to it.

but thanks for the suggestion
 
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ooops..well you should give yourself a lobotomy then :) it's a little harder to do to yourself..kinda like cutting your own hair.............and everything is backwards in the mirror and becomes a bit confusing

people seem to naturally squeeze their grip tightly just before impact, and if anything, they hold it too tightly to begin with, not too loosely..In fact, making an effort to consiously hold on tighter could be making your problem worse, not to mention jamming up your technique

if you know what swingweight range is right for you i could probably make some recommendations, but generally, Volkl and PK make some stiffer frames which are comfortable and are powerful without that flyaway type power. I hope PK sticks around..they consider the health of the user.

Hey NBM, a SW in between 320 and 330 would be best for me. Thanks for helping me out, ill look forward to your suggestions :)
 

tarkowski

Professional
The mSpeed 98 with natural gut is extremely comfortable and arm-friendly, with plenty of pop. I'm not sure I would like it as much with poly - it may be difficult to generate winners. It looks like you know your specs and this would fit the bill nice! An added plus is that they're < $100 right now.

A friend of mine who suffered from TE changed his strings from pro hurricane to Klip Venom and noted a big difference in comfort which greatly reduced the pain in his elbow. Changing the strings on your RDS may prove beneficial before plunking some cash down on an mSpeed. But no question, the mSpeed is a very comfortable racquet that provides some synergy with arm-friendly strings, making it even more so.

Good luck!
 

Offshore

Rookie
The mSpeed 98 with natural gut is extremely comfortable and arm-friendly, with plenty of pop. I'm not sure I would like it as much with poly - it may be difficult to generate winners. It looks like you know your specs and this would fit the bill nice! An added plus is that they're < $100 right now.

A friend of mine who suffered from TE changed his strings from pro hurricane to Klip Venom and noted a big difference in comfort which greatly reduced the pain in his elbow. Changing the strings on your RDS may prove beneficial before plunking some cash down on an mSpeed. But no question, the mSpeed is a very comfortable racquet that provides some synergy with arm-friendly strings, making it even more so.

Good luck!


I second the Klip Venom recommendation for comfort (and playability!). It is one of the most comfortable strings that I have played with.
 

AmericanTemplar

Professional
I demoed the RDS 001 MP and one of the reasons that I ended up going with the Mid version is because I forsaw possible arm problems with the MP, which I though was due to its light weight. Adding some lead tape to your racquets could solve the problem and save you some money. It's worth a try.
 

Anton

Legend
You don't need to get a new frame, you need to cut out this poly stuff and string it with a soft multifillament string at about 59 mains and 57 crosses. I personally like NXT.

What tension do you use with your poly?

Also: Certain serving techniques can really take out your elbow with even the softest of rackets.

You can also try RDX500 it is very simular to RDS001 but with a very soft feel to it and low flex rating.
 
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AJK1

Hall of Fame
Use the process of elimination, start by changing strings, then get some lessons. You may be surprised at the difference it makes to your arm.
Yonex racquets are quite flexy so i doubt it's the racquet. I would say your problem is more likely bad technique combined with poly string.
 

bagung

Hall of Fame
when i had my TE from apd and yonex rsq7 with polt/gut hybrid, i switched the string to klip venom. venom is soft , powerful and a good bite to the balls, most importantly, it is friendly to the TE.
since then, i have been looking for more flexible racquets ( flex lower than 60), after trying 5-6 racquets, i end up using dnx-10mid, which has the SW arround 320-325. powerful with control , 16x19 and has a big sweetspot as a mid
 

brandx

Rookie
Agree with many above concerning changing to a multifilament string first or a hybrid. I got bad TE a few years back and had to give up tennis for a while. My racquets did not help. I now use the ProKennex Ki5 which is arm friendly with low to medium power which gives my backhand more drive than my old racquets. Unfortunately, I ordered it with Luxilon Big Banger when I purchased it, and the shock was bad. The demo had a softer string which was fine. Needless to say, I cut it out in 2 weeks and now use a multifilament and the racquet is fine. Restring first! and good luck.
 

NoBadMojo

G.O.A.T.
Hey NBM, a SW in between 320 and 330 would be best for me. Thanks for helping me out, ill look forward to your suggestions :)

so there ya go.....Dnx10Mid strung mid tension w. Klip Venom. Cant go wrong with that. Very comfortable frame with a huge sweetspot for a mid and good power for a flexy bat..swingweight is 325 (i know TW sez 330 or so). even frame balls arent uncomfortable with this one ;) Klip Venom is as I <and others> have described earlier

i'd like to recommend the mSpeed, but havent hit it..i have hit all the earlier Fischers from that mold and all have been very nice and comfortable within the sweetspot, albeit make all your own power frames.

for a stiffer frame the PK Ki5 if still around swing around 320-325 ..was stiff and nice power but comfortable
 

Anton

Legend
Yonex racquets are quite flexy so i doubt it's the racquet.

RDS001MP is a departure from this tradition and is on the stiff side - however it also happens to be a fairly comfortable frame. I don't even use a vibration dampner on it.
 
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LarougeNY

Professional
I thought the Mspeed 98 was a great racket, lower power but that can be solved by stringing lower. Plus, since you're hybriding in a poly you shouldn't worry about losing control with looser strings.

Other rackets to try out are the AG/Mfil 200 (pretty flexy), the 300 is nice (but a little lighter than you're probably used to), the RDS 002 tour (looks great, specs are nice, not too stiff), the 03 tour (only heard good things about it), and the Tecnifibre's 320 line (looks really good, I would demo it but I found my match for now).

Besides, you can't really go wrong with the mspeed. Only reason I didn't get it was because
A) it was too heavy at the time, probably still is (I need to bulk up)
B) Nothing clicked, no real consistency. It is fun to play with, but nothing really worked. <-probably the weight factor.

I say go with the Mspeed, especially with the price they're at now. Only 100$, I might just get one for my Bday next month.
 
Wow - thanks for pointing out the new price for the Fischers. Time to buy a second one I think. I guess they're low price as the new 'zero tolerance' version will be out soon.

I ordered the Fischer M Speed 98 strung with Luxilon Alu Power. The racquet felt great but after about a month I was starting to get elbow pain. Changed the strings to Luxilon Alu Touch and it now feels very soft with no elbow pain. I string it with Alu Power mains at 51 lbs and Supersense crosses at 55 lbs. Worth trying some other strings before ditching the Yonex if the elbow is the only problem.

If you want to use a poly hybrid but have a sensitive elbow then the Fischer is a great racquet. If you're small and want more power then definitely try to demo the oversize, plus maybe the Agassi Radical LE. I'm guessing the Fischer 98 is very similar on power to the Redondo MP (similar specs).
 
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everyone, thanks for the tips/suggestions, i really appreciate it. here's a few things ill add about this whole situation in general:

-Lead tape: ive tried it already, it played ok, but completely ruined the feel and dynamics of the racket for me. i just couldnt get used to it much, though it was very stable and nice SW

-playing level/lessons: my coach said it was a combination of technique, but a lot due to the light-headedness of the racket, its stiffness, and a stiff string. but i know im a good player, except for my 2nd serve technique for my kick serve, at the moment... but ive wanted to switch from my yonex for a long time, this kind of sealed it.

-however, im still going to try a different string setup. im thinking of gosen syn gut mains and cyberflash crosses, would that be ok or should i go with full gosen? (doesnt last too long though cuz loses a lot of tension and playability after 2 weeks or less)


-Technique: i first got this arm problem in the spring after a 1 month layoff of tennis, so DEFINITELY part of this is DUE to technique. HOWEVER, the pain went away, and i didnt get it again till this week, while trying to learn to hit a solid kick serve for my second serve. and i think its something im doing wrong technique wise. BUT, the light weight of the yonex has been crumbling for me, especially now that im playing at a higher level, and i just couldnt take it anymore. to give you an example, i played with an n6.1 95, and i LOVED It, so stable compared to the yonex, but it was too heavy over a 2 hour match.
(btw the injury was a nerve problem in my right forearm... nerve inflammation, i think its called)

- to NBM: about the dnx10 mid, is the midplus just as comfortable and nice in the sweetspot? im not sure if a mid would hinder my game or not
 

NoBadMojo

G.O.A.T.
- to NBM: about the dnx10 mid, is the midplus just as comfortable and nice in the sweetspot? im not sure if a mid would hinder my game or not

oops..my bad..i presumed you were using the Yonex Mid. In any case, you may find the sweetzone in the dnxMid every bit as large as in your YonexMP. I've been using the dnxMP version...it's a little lighter and maybe a little less inherent power and has 18mains..didnt think you were looking for a denser stringbed

i still think you should first try the bat you have with a new stringjob first..no poly, not even in a hybrid. suggesting again the Klip Venom
 

Anton

Legend
everyone, thanks for the tips/suggestions, i really appreciate it. here's a few things ill add about this whole situation in general:

-Lead tape: ive tried it already, it played ok, but completely ruined the feel and dynamics of the racket for me. i just couldnt get used to it much, though it was very stable and nice SW

-playing level/lessons: my coach said it was a combination of technique, but a lot due to the light-headedness of the racket, its stiffness, and a stiff string. but i know im a good player, except for my 2nd serve technique for my kick serve, at the moment... but ive wanted to switch from my yonex for a long time, this kind of sealed it.

-however, im still going to try a different string setup. im thinking of gosen syn gut mains and cyberflash crosses, would that be ok or should i go with full gosen? (doesnt last too long though cuz loses a lot of tension and playability after 2 weeks or less)


-Technique: i first got this arm problem in the spring after a 1 month layoff of tennis, so DEFINITELY part of this is DUE to technique. HOWEVER, the pain went away, and i didnt get it again till this week, while trying to learn to hit a solid kick serve for my second serve. and i think its something im doing wrong technique wise. BUT, the light weight of the yonex has been crumbling for me, especially now that im playing at a higher level, and i just couldnt take it anymore. to give you an example, i played with an n6.1 95, and i LOVED It, so stable compared to the yonex, but it was too heavy over a 2 hour match.
(btw the injury was a nerve problem in my right forearm... nerve inflammation, i think its called)

- to NBM: about the dnx10 mid, is the midplus just as comfortable and nice in the sweetspot? im not sure if a mid would hinder my game or not

Headlight racket = LESS elbow problems compared to head heavy rackets.

And like I said improper serving can lead to a lot of elbow stress - stop trying to muscle the motion and just relax your arm - create pace with timing your body motions (legs and shoulders) and have your swing be relaxed and whippy.
 

bagung

Hall of Fame
- to NBM: about the dnx10 mid, is the midplus just as comfortable and nice in the sweetspot? im not sure if a mid would hinder my game or not

dnx10MP to me, is not as comfortable as the mid, maybe due to denser stringbed?
 

NoBadMojo

G.O.A.T.
- to NBM: about the dnx10 mid, is the midplus just as comfortable and nice in the sweetspot? im not sure if a mid would hinder my game or not

dnx10MP to me, is not as comfortable as the mid, maybe due to denser stringbed?

i think the mp is very comfortable. it's soft hitting but denser stringbeds do feel boardy at even moderately high tensions and i think the denser stringbed makes for a smaller sweetzone, as do most poly strings. i've got mine strung at 52-53 whereas a normal MP would be 58-60 for me. but overall, i think the entire frame is a bit firmer than the dnxMid.

i've got a Becker11 coming later today (Friday), and i'll post something about that one as i can.
 

nn

Hall of Fame
yonex Mid with soft string no problem for 6-7 months even with hard hitters. Even I had some problem with poly string and stop using it. You will many string comparable to poly without arm problem.

current string is Yonex Tournament 80 Spin 15L-16g Amber String at 55lb
 
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Deleted member 6835

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so, to continue the story... the doctor said its a type of tennis elbow (same muscles, but not exactly tennis elbow). Something to do with a big nerve, one that goes from the neck all the way to my hand, getting squished between muscles due to over-tension/stress on those muscles.

anyways, i had a tensor treatment and ultrasound yesterday and went to hit this morning. my rds 001 mp, which i considered very light, felt like i was swinging a 2x4. it literally felt like 100 lbs, kind of like how if you're right handed and you swing your racket with your left hand, it feels really heavy.

so in terms of rackets, the rds started hurting my arm again, i stopped playing after 20 minutes or so. the redondo didnt hurt my arm at all, but i couldnt play with it for my life.

so i dont know what to do for rackets, strings or anything at the moment. im just really pissed off and angry cuz ill probably have to miss this tournament ive been preparing for months next weekend. plus i dont know if ill be able to get my old swing back, or how ill change my technique...

im just lost basically, lol
 
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Deleted member 6835

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to clarify, its called radial tunnel syndrome


just a question: is the PC600 arm-friendly?
 

NoBadMojo

G.O.A.T.
sounds more like a pinched nerve to me rather than TE..and I think the lack of strength in your hand indicates that. Did the Doc say you cant damage it any further by playing?
since you seem to be using a teaching pro, why dont you just go with what he/she recommends gearwise assuming you think he/she is good? he/she would certainly know much more about how you hit than us.
 
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Deleted member 6835

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sounds more like a pinched nerve to me rather than TE..and I think the lack of strength in your hand indicates that. Did the Doc say you cant damage it any further by playing?
since you seem to be using a teaching pro, why dont you just go with what he/she recommends gearwise assuming you think he/she is good? he/she would certainly know much more about how you hit than us.

hey
ya you're right it is a pinched nerve... the nerve is a long one that goes from the neck all the way to the hand, and the part where its pinched is in my upper forearm (upper being closer to my elbow than to my wrist). so the doctor said it gets "squished" between muscles, causing inflammation.

anyways, the doctor said to give it 2-3 days, which i didnt ;) i just wanted to see how it felt today, cuz i have a big tournament this coming weekend which ive been preparing for for months, and i dont want to miss it. anyways, i didnt get pain with the redondo, only the yonex, but my arm was still weak, so ill be wearing a brace tomorrow (if i go to hit).

about the pro, ya he's the best coach ive ever had, and he plays open level tournaments here, and he won a big one last summer. he's a former D1 college player and coach. but the thing is, he's not as equipment-savy as i or people i know are. keep in mind he's been using the same frame for over 15 years (since he was about my age). but he definitely recommended a softer flex and to get rid of my stiff string. i really like the PC600, and i think thats the one im going to get... at least i hope. and then go from there i guess. if not that, ill definitely keep the dnx10mid in mind as well
 
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