Switching to a one handed backhand has really helped me.

Shroud

G.O.A.T.
Same happened to me OP. My first coach was yelling at me every time I'd play a 1HB. I sucked with the 2HB, coudn't do anything. Anyway, I stopped, started playing against 2 years ago. This new coach was going to do exactly the same thing (that is to say forcing me to play with a 2HB). The only difference is I wasn't 10 anymore so I could stand up to him.

I don't know if I have been really unlucky with my tennis coaches or if they really hate the 1HB that much but eh, what's wrong with them?
Guess I am lucky or have a decent 1hander because I have had 2 coaches now and none have even suggested I switch to 2 handed

For me the 2 hander is harder because it's really flat and the reach is limited and I don't get nearly the power
 

Fuji

Legend
Guess I am lucky or have a decent 1hander because I have had 2 coaches now and none have even suggested I switch to 2 handed

For me the 2 hander is harder because it's really flat and the reach is limited and I don't get nearly the power
The 2HBH is very technique dependent to hit a quality shot. Juniors usually have superior footwork and great mechanics which can make the 2HBH such a solid shot. Rec players with non-ideal footwork suffer greatly with the 2HBH since there can be a struggle to simply "bunt" like it is possible with the 1HBH.

-Fuji
 

Shroud

G.O.A.T.
The 2HBH is very technique dependent to hit a quality shot. Juniors usually have superior footwork and great mechanics which can make the 2HBH such a solid shot. Rec players with non-ideal footwork suffer greatly with the 2HBH since there can be a struggle to simply "bunt" like it is possible with the 1HBH.

-Fuji
Guilty as charged!!:)
 

Fuji

Legend
Guilty as charged!!:)
Haha! It's something I encounter a lot. People who attempt to switch to the 2HBH get disheartened because they are so used to just bumping the ball back with the 1HBH. After some gentle encouragement about swinging out on the 2HBH and taking an extra step usually they come around. :razz:

-Fuji
 

Shroud

G.O.A.T.
Haha! It's something I encounter a lot. People who attempt to switch to the 2HBH get disheartened because they are so used to just bumping the ball back with the 1HBH. After some gentle encouragement about swinging out on the 2HBH and taking an extra step usually they come around. :razz:

-Fuji
I find that extra step is hard on my back or the 2 hander in general is harder o. My back

I think you will agree though that it really comes down to the player or are you that evil coach that makes players do 2 handers? :cry:
 

GuyClinch

Legend
Ridiculous. It's individual and well look at some of the posts here. Some people are better with the 1 hander. Just because you can't hit it doesn't mean others can't
It's not ridiculous. Of course you can win with a one hander - its just many of those players would have been better with a 2 hander? The modern game is very fast - and the OHBH is a long swing and it doesn't handle high balls well. It's not good against jam shots close to body. It's not as good at returning serves. Even people that hit it decently well have to resort to slice quite alot..instead of the topspin shot..chipping back returns and such.

Personally, I think Fed would have won 20 majors with a 2hander instead of 1 hander. How many did he lose to Nadal alone because of its weakness. And I hit a 1 hander - its pretty good - might be better then my forehand. (Granted that's not saying that much heh). But I don't hit with guys who can pressure me because of its longer swing..or really attack me with high kicking balls to the backhand.

1HBH way more fun to hit - but less competitive for most players. Its not a big deal - most of us are recreational players anyway. But i was teaching a top junior prospect - I certainly recommend it unless he wanted to be a serve and volley player. How many one-handers left under 30?
 
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gregor.b

Professional
They say its this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IurGIKVFKQ

Though I don't use that grip myself. I just havent wanted to mess with it. Long story but when you use the same grips for both FH and BH without switching changing one grip messes up the other.

One day I need to go back to actually switching grips...

Also why dont I like the BH in the vid? Clearly its better than mine, but I think I like a more loopy higher take back. Is this grip dependent? Does the take back vary based on the grip?
Personally, I try to adjust my grip to the conditions. There will be times that I feel I am hitting the ball perfectly and the ball may be flying or falling really short. I either open or close the grip a poofteenth to allow for it and that stops me from having to change my swing or stroke length.

FWIW, to me, the b/h in the vid actually looks pretty crap. It's clunky and very mechanical, like he's thinking about it all the time.
 

Shroud

G.O.A.T.
It's not ridiculous. Of course you can win with a one hander - its just many of those players would have been better with a 2 hander? The modern game is very fast - and the OHBH is a long swing and it doesn't handle high balls well. It's not good against jam shots close to body. It's not as good at returning serves. Even people that hit it decently well have to resort to slice quite alot..instead of the topspin shot..chipping back returns and such.

Personally, I think Fed would have won 20 majors with a 2hander instead of 1 hander. How many did he lose to Nadal alone because of its weakness. And I hit a 1 hander - its pretty good - might be better then my forehand. (Granted that's not saying that much heh). But I don't hit with guys who can pressure me because of its longer swing..or really attack me with high kicking balls to the backhand.

1HBH way more fun to hit - but less competitive for most players. Its not a big deal - most of us are recreational players anyway. But i was teaching a top junior prospect - I certainly recommend it unless he wanted to be a serve and volley player. How many one-handers left under 30?
This is just repeating the common wisdom based on false conclusions. People see fed/nadal matches and think that the one hander cant handle high balls. When in reality the only valid conclusion to draw is that FED's onehander struggles on high balls. Not all one handers have this issue.

Fed would be better off using a more extreme grip IMHO. Like Wawrinka. Does he struggle with high balls? Here is a vid that explains it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vB33Lojy0e4
 

Shroud

G.O.A.T.
Personally, I try to adjust my grip to the conditions. There will be times that I feel I am hitting the ball perfectly and the ball may be flying or falling really short. I either open or close the grip a poofteenth to allow for it and that stops me from having to change my swing or stroke length.

FWIW, to me, the b/h in the vid actually looks pretty crap. It's clunky and very mechanical, like he's thinking about it all the time.
Agree on that. I didnt like it. But it is showing the common way to grip.

You are better than I am. I pick a grip and stick with it!
 
It's not ridiculous. Of course you can win with a one hander - its just many of those players would have been better with a 2 hander? The modern game is very fast - and the OHBH is a long swing and it doesn't handle high balls well. It's not good against jam shots close to body. It's not as good at returning serves. Even people that hit it decently well have to resort to slice quite alot..instead of the topspin shot..chipping back returns and such.

Personally, I think Fed would have won 20 majors with a 2hander instead of 1 hander. How many did he lose to Nadal alone because of its weakness. And I hit a 1 hander - its pretty good - might be better then my forehand. (Granted that's not saying that much heh). But I don't hit with guys who can pressure me because of its longer swing..or really attack me with high kicking balls to the backhand.

1HBH way more fun to hit - but less competitive for most players. Its not a big deal - most of us are recreational players anyway. But i was teaching a top junior prospect - I certainly recommend it unless he wanted to be a serve and volley player. How many one-handers left under 30?
Have you seen fed trying out with a DBH? Do u know how funny or silly it looks when he tries to play it? You can tell hes focuses to follow through his swings and the DBH limits his follow through. I'd think he would have been a completely different style of player had he adopted a DBH. I'm a Fed fan but I do agree that his SBH is not as technically sound as Gasquet and Wawrinka, but that doesn't overall make the SBH inferior to the DBH.
 

Nevski

New User
Guess I am lucky or have a decent 1hander because I have had 2 coaches now and none have even suggested I switch to 2 handed

For me the 2 hander is harder because it's really flat and the reach is limited and I don't get nearly the power
Exactly, I find it harder too. The second hand is just an embarrassment. It feels so unnatural too, just like it would feel when I use a 2HF for fun.
 

Moveforwardalways

Hall of Fame
The modern game is very fast - and the OHBH is a long swing and it doesn't handle high balls well. It's not good against jam shots close to body. It's not as good at returning serves. Even people that hit it decently well have to resort to slice quite alot..instead of the topspin shot..chipping back returns and such.
Regurgitated conventional wisdom.


Personally, I think Fed would have won 20 majors with a 2hander instead of 1 hander. How many did he lose to Nadal alone because of its weakness.
Let's jump back to reality here. Every single player on the ATP tour hits high topspin balls to the backhand. Federer crushes every single one and struggles against one (although he has won his share against him too). That proves nothing except that Nadal probably has a really really good forehand.
 

G A S

Hall of Fame
I find that extra step is hard on my back or the 2 hander in general is harder o. My back

I think you will agree though that it really comes down to the player or are you that evil coach that makes players do 2 handers? :cry:
then we have an humongous amount of evil coaches, :)

I actually was playing a one-handed backhand but switched to a two-handed backhand thanks to my couch.
 

ARKustom93

Professional
I'm really not sure why this two handed backhand is so common.

My coach has been making me use it since I started playing just under 2 years ago and in all that time the 2HBH has not worked for me at all.

I had 2 problems with it

1) I could not get the ball to go back as far as the net and go over back in to the other court. It would float tamely in to the net.....If it got that far. And Im a strong guy, lack of strength was not the issue.
2) It would never go in the direction I wanted it to. It would always go to the right of the direction I was hitting in.

In the last month I have switched to the OHBH and now The ball will go in the direction I am trying to hit it and it will go deep.

It feels like a completely natural movement to me, whereas the 2HBH felt completely unnatural.

Now I can rally. Before everyone knew they could just hit to my backhand and the point would be over. Now though I can stay in rallies on my backhand and hit deep.

Is the OHBH dying out just because coaches say it is not as good a shot and so do not teach it to young kids?
If your coach was unable to 'fix' the two specific problems you described, dump him.

Do you recall any of the instructions(verbal, visual, etc) he gave you in the beginning stages of working on the 2hander? Just curious, that's all.
 

LeeD

Bionic Poster
IF is a very big word, for 3 letters.
IF Hitler won the war.....
IF Krushchev survived his reign...
IF I was 6'6" tall, and IF I was as quick as at age 16, .......
But, IF don't count for nothin.
 

Shroud

G.O.A.T.
then we have an humongous amount of evil coaches, :)

I actually was playing a one-handed backhand but switched to a two-handed backhand thanks to my couch.
Sometimes my pillow tells me what to do, but never my couch.
 
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Deleted member 120290

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As someone else stated earlier in this or another countless 2h vs 1h thread, I cry out in joy (inwardly) when I see an opponent with 1hbh. It is like starting a 100m dash 20m ahead of my opponent.

I grew up playing 1hbh because of McEnroe and Sampras, and I lost countless matches to guys I could have easily beaten using 2hbh. Now I know what it is to be on the other side, like the Jeffersons.
 

Fuji

Legend
I find that extra step is hard on my back or the 2 hander in general is harder o. My back

I think you will agree though that it really comes down to the player or are you that evil coach that makes players do 2 handers? :cry:
Yeah. It requires a bit more footwork so it can be a touch harder for some players, especially guys with knee problems where they have to move a lot.

Honestly I don't really care either way what people use. I just make sure they're aware of the pros and cons of each. I can hit both shots at a high level and have solid mechanics on both. It doesn't matter what I teach honestly lol!

-Fuji
 

Shroud

G.O.A.T.
Yeah. It requires a bit more footwork so it can be a touch harder for some players, especially guys with knee problems where they have to move a lot.

Honestly I don't really care either way what people use. I just make sure they're aware of the pros and cons of each. I can hit both shots at a high level and have solid mechanics on both. It doesn't matter what I teach honestly lol!

-Fuji
Makes sense. I have always had crappy knees especially the left. Probably explains alot.

I could never understand why I get way more power with the 1 hander but I guessing it has to do with having to step in and being able to be lazier on the 2hander?

Glad you have both the shots. Must be nice. Guessing you play with the 2 hander right?
 

Enga

Hall of Fame
I think if someone plays primarily on a hard court, they will feel more comfortable with a 2 handed backhand, because they will notice if the ball is low they can attack well. But on hardcourt, an opponent can make the ball bounce higher on purpose to put a backhand on the defense. So a player on hardcourts will feel more secure with the extra hand keeping the racket steady, offering control, to allow the handling of the variety of bounces an opponent will throw at them.

However, for players who primarily play on clay, I think they wont feel necessarily attached to the 2 hander. On clay, the ball usually bounces high, and gives odd bounces sometimes. The claim that a 1 handed backhand cant handle a high ball easily is simply false. At least in my case, on the clay courts I play on. The one hander offers a loopy topspin shot and can handle high balls, in fact that height can sometimes be preferred to help open angles. And on the weird bounces, one hand can slice the ball to keep it in play.

In most cases on clay anyway, with high bounces, I see a two hander can take it on the rise easier, but struggles to step back and swing hard. I see one handers fine with stepping back, taking it at shoulder level, and hitting it hard.
 

Fuji

Legend
Makes sense. I have always had crappy knees especially the left. Probably explains alot.

I could never understand why I get way more power with the 1 hander but I guessing it has to do with having to step in and being able to be lazier on the 2hander?

Glad you have both the shots. Must be nice. Guessing you play with the 2 hander right?
Yeah that would make sense. If you have a bad left knee getting that extra wide step could definitely cause some discomfort.

Most likely yeah. Plus the one hander can redirect pace really well if you catch it half way clean.

Depends on who I'm hitting with. But in competition yeah I use a 2HBH. I rarely ever use it when I'm coaching though. Even in practice sessions I'll use the 1HBH if I'm hitting with guys who aren't really high level and push me around the court.

-Fuji
 

GuyClinch

Legend
This is just repeating the common wisdom based on false conclusions. People see fed/nadal matches and think that the one hander cant handle high balls. When in reality the only valid conclusion to draw is that FED's onehander struggles on high balls. Not all one handers have this issue.

Fed would be better off using a more extreme grip IMHO. Like Wawrinka. Does he struggle with high balls? Here is a vid that explains it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vB33Lojy0e4
Actually Wawrinka backs up a mile to handle high balls.. Watch him play carefully you will not see him just stand up there and take the ball high. He moves around to get into a good position and that's sometimes extremely far back..

This is why its a hard shot for rec players. OHBH does generate more power - but its a longer stroke and when hit at a high level it demands better footwork. Basically you have to be faster to use it at high levels. Its best hit from neutral stance..

2HBH OTOH you can muscle it if you are jammed - and you can hit the ball effectively if you get caught in a very open stance. And on high balls you have the additional leverage that comes from well two hands. Yes Stan's grip is stronger then Rogers - but its not like a two hander. Don't believe me - ask some of your local teaching pros what they think.. I guarantee that they will prefer teaching the two-hander. It's just so much more forgiving for rec players.
 

Shroud

G.O.A.T.
Actually Wawrinka backs up a mile to handle high balls.. Watch him play carefully you will not see him just stand up there and take the ball high. He moves around to get into a good position and that's sometimes extremely far back..

This is why its a hard shot for rec players. OHBH does generate more power - but its a longer stroke and when hit at a high level it demands better footwork. Basically you have to be faster to use it at high levels. Its best hit from neutral stance..

2HBH OTOH you can muscle it if you are jammed - and you can hit the ball effectively if you get caught in a very open stance. And on high balls you have the additional leverage that comes from well two hands. Yes Stan's grip is stronger then Rogers - but its not like a two hander. Don't believe me - ask some of your local teaching pros what they think.. I guarantee that they will prefer teaching the two-hander. It's just so much more forgiving for rec players.
Aren't we round full circle now. Appealing to coaches?

Didn't op do that and well see what happened? Guy it's personal.

Example, there was a guy on my team and te was an issue. He switched to a two hander and well that's clearly the best bh :) but thing is he mentioned the other day about switching back. Said it wasn't gelling.

Happened to me. Chased the 2 hander for a year or so and switched back. I am slow but he is super quick on his feet so it's not the limited range of the 2 hander for him

And fwiw I have seen Stan hit head high service returns with his bh with no backing up behind the baseline

Easier to teach doesn't mean better to play IMHO.
 
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