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In what time frame will the 2-handed 360 degree rotational stroke be adapted by elite tennis player?


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oserver

Professional
OP, don't ever leave this forum. This may be against popular opinion, but I find your posts much more entertaining than most of the other stuff we see here. I'd much rather read a post about the 360 serve than another post about how to avoid the wta forehand, or some vague platitude about the mental game, or anything from that guy who keeps posting the same content about high speed video and motion blur whenever someone has a question about the serve.
Haha, my story is still developing... so why leave!? If I disappear, it is more likely I would be banned by the forum again for posting relevant and civilized posts.
 

oserver

Professional
I have pretty bad vertigo so I am screwed if this is the future. I will be like a Continental grip on a wood racquet with white balls playing fast grass of the 21st century.
I hope a legend always has a new trick in his sleeves....
 

oserver

Professional
It could work in a match, I mean if you did it too me I would be too busy laughing my ass off to play another shot. It looks f**king ridiculous. There really are some dumb ideas on this forum.
Find a guy you could never beat in the past, and deploy my 360 shots so he'll be laughing at you to the ground, ignoring the speeding ball ..... Easy points, why not!?
 
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oserver

Professional
Un-edit tennis style golf (three) shots - over the net every time, unimpressive (360 degree turning too), right!?


It just happened that the net is actually too tall and too far away (232 yards away)!
 
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SystemicAnomaly

Talk Tennis Guru
Do you suppose that Federer has been inspired by our own @oserver? If Rog is looking for more creative TT techniques, perhaps we can persuade him to adopt a pendulum Fh swing, the lasso serve, a POMO Fh, 2 hands on both wings (a favorite of Polish physicists), and more.

 

GuyClinch

Legend
Find a guy you could never beat in the past, and deploy my 360 shots so he'll be laughing at you to the ground, ignoring the speeding ball ..... Easy points, why not!?
If 360 works - why not 720.. Just start rotating before the ball has arrived so you can build up more speed... Perhaps you could do a 720 serve.. Your speed would be amazing. Like Roddick!
 

oserver

Professional
Do you suppose that Federer has been inspired by our own @oserver? If Rog is looking for more creative TT techniques, perhaps we can persuade him to adopt a pendulum Fh swing, the lasso serve, a POMO Fh, 2 hands on both wings (a favorite of Polish physicists), and more.

Haha, a baby step for Federer to be creative. The video only shows his 360 degree arm rotation. I guess the unconstrained followthrough can add a little bit of pace and spin. To be more effective, he needs the whole body rotation to look like a true creative adult:p
 

oserver

Professional
If 360 works - why not 720.. Just start rotating before the ball has arrived so you can build up more speed... Perhaps you could do a 720 serve.. Your speed would be amazing. Like Roddick!
Too much of a good thing tends to be bad, or too little of good thing tends to be not too good - just like the conventional serves lack the rotational movement of modern forehand... and the opennesses.

BTW, are you guys getting a little bored on this TW forum to return to this thread:laughing:?
 

GuyClinch

Legend
Too much of a good thing tends to be bad, or too little of good thing tends to be not too good - just like the conventional serves lack the rotational movement of modern forehand... and the opennesses.

BTW, are you guys getting a little bored on this TW forum to return to this thread:laughing:?
I hate to break it to you but you are in the too much category..
 

oserver

Professional
I do those as well, for fun.
It's fun to rotate 360 degree, and I also think in the future, every serious tennis player need to practice this move to get used to open stance, open grip and unconstrained followthrough to release the under-developed, hidden power of angular momentum, whether one uses it in a match situation or not. The video of Federer making 360 arm turn shots is fun to watch, but it mostly showed slice shots, not baseline topspin rallies, and without body turning all the way, the usefulness is limited, IMHO. Nadal's helicopter forehand arm turning is more impressive, since they are baseline topspin shots. Anyway, Federer is the third famous player I knew who practice 360 degree shots, another player is Thiem, who did 360 degree serves practice in an funny way...
 

oserver

Professional
I hate to break it to you but you are in the too much category..
Interesting, why I'm in the too much category but not Federer, or Nadal when he does the helicopter 360 degree forehand swing? Is it just because they are famous?
 

oserver

Professional
Side view of golf range 360 degree shot with slow motion.

In modern tennis, open stance, open grip, segmented turn (modern style, not traditional unit turn style), rotational body movement (not more linear movement) separate advanced players and beginners/intermediate players. Apply all these to golf, this is one possible result. Does golf need a tennis to break its tradition - forehand not backhand style of gripping the club, open stance not closed stance, back foot stepping up (not like a long nail pinning to the spot) , etc, etc...?
 

SystemicAnomaly

Talk Tennis Guru
Interesting, why I'm in the too much category but not Federer, or Nadal when he does the helicopter 360 degree forehand swing? Is it just because they are famous?
These guys don't employ the reverse (buggywhip) finish just for show or for fun. They use it because it is effective and because it is a natural result for a very steep swing path.

The steep swing path is often utilized for greater spin production. It is also used when they are a bit on the late side on their prep and fwd swing. These guys are facing incoming balls that are often very fast (and deep). Often the reverse finish swing is the best response to this.

It is interesting to note that Rafa does not utilize a reverse or helicopter finish in practice sessions. But he uses it quite prolifically in competition when he needs it.
 

oserver

Professional
True, both pace and spin in their practice sessions are below the shots in competitions on average, true for Rafa and for most players. From my experiences, one has to practice a lot to get certain shot proficient. I guess Rafa must practiced helicopter shots behind the scene to be the best of of this move.
 

SystemicAnomaly

Talk Tennis Guru
True, both pace and spin in their practice sessions are below the shots in competitions on average, true for Rafa and for most players. From my experiences, one has to practice a lot to get certain shot proficient. I guess Rafa must practiced helicopter shots behind the scene to be the best of of this move.
Not really. I only performed it a few times in practice before I mastered it. While I sometimes do it in practice sessions, I don't really go out of my way to practice the reverse finish. If I can do that, an elite player like Rafa probably doesn't really need to practice it either. Have seen quite a lot practice sessions of Rafa but do not recall seeing him using it there. Yet he is quite prolific with it in competition.
 

oserver

Professional
The world is not ready
That's very true - The world is not ready. Just think about how long it took to have the modern forehand developed!? The court surfaces, racket size and racket/string materials changes all contributed to this tennis form modernization.

But for two handed forehand forms and techniques, the major change may not be the court surfaces, racket size and racket/string materials changes as prerequisites. My guess the racket length and weight may be more important factors since using two hands, one can handle heavier racket and longer racket to compensate the shortened reach.

BTW, Monica Seles proved long ago the power of two-handed forehand and two-handed backhand, and Hsieh Su-wei is a living proof of two-handed backhand on both wings. I'm a small potato who like to prove two-handed forehand on both wings work too, maybe even better. Since I don't possess fame, who would believe me? So I just take it easy to just enjoy doing what I like to do, posting a video or two to keep the conversation going, etc. ...
 

Shroud

G.O.A.T.
Side view of golf range 360 degree shot with slow motion.

In modern tennis, open stance, open grip, segmented turn (modern style, not traditional unit turn style), rotational body movement (not more linear movement) separate advanced players and beginners/intermediate players. Apply all these to golf, this is one possible result. Does golf need a tennis to break its tradition - forehand not backhand style of gripping the club, open stance not closed stance, back foot stepping up (not like a long nail pinning to the spot) , etc, etc...?
Omg. @nyta2 your milkshake will go flying
 

oserver

Professional
Now imagine how much better Rafa would be if he did a 360 degree spin for his 360 degree signature helicopter forehand
Want to know how much better? The difference could be arms vs legs:p!? Core muscles perhaps are additional:D
 
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