Syn Gut?

[pegcity]

i have been using soft co-poly strings strung at 45lbs. i love the feel up to the 6-8hr mark. but i get notching and the strings lose elasticity and feel dead after that.

i experimented with Head Velocity MLT to see if i could get away from poly strings. the strings moved, i had trouble generating spin and they broke within 6hr.

i am not familiar with syn gut. is there a syn gut that would give a similar feel to co-poly but have a bit longer playability?

also, i use 17 gauge co-poly strings. would a 16 gauge string notch less and lose elasticity slower and give me longer playability?

 

[LOBALOT]

Why not hybrid 16g velocity with a nice round 17g poly cross and you will get longer life then a full bed without the mains sticking out of place?

 

[fuzz nation]

i have been using soft co-poly strings strung at 45lbs. i love the feel up to the 6-8hr mark. but i get notching and the strings lose elasticity and feel dead after that.

i experimented with Head Velocity MLT to see if i could get away from poly strings. the strings moved, i had trouble generating spin and they broke within 6hr.

i am not familiar with syn gut. is there a syn gut that would give a similar feel to co-poly but have a bit longer playability?

also, i use 17 gauge co-poly strings. would a 16 gauge string notch less and lose elasticity slower and give me longer playability?

Worth a try I'd say.

A firm syn. gut like Gosen OG Sheep Micro 16 might feel at least as stiff as a full bed of a softer co-poly depending on their tensions. But I'd expect that syn. gut to be more durable than a multi like Velocity and it may play soft enough for you at the right tension.

If the Gosen is too stiff for your taste, I'd say try a moderately soft syn. gut; Babolat and Prince Original (without Duraflex) are two options. My personal favorite is Kirschbaum, but that string isn't always easy to find.

I use syn. gut all the time in my own frames and I routinely recommend it to locals who use me for stringing. At least for me, the performance and service life I get from syn. gut are better than multi, but syn. gut is also comfortable enough for me to slug for a couple hours a day with kids on the high school teams I coach - no comfort issues. I can't tolerate poly, but I have no need for it. One more upside with syn. gut is that it's pretty much the most affordable stuff available. Even if it doesn't last much longer for you than a multi, its price tag is very civilized.

 

[Kevo]

i have been using soft co-poly strings strung at 45lbs. i love the feel up to the 6-8hr mark. but i get notching and the strings lose elasticity and feel dead after that.

Syn gut will break a lot quicker than poly. In my experience the polys with great feel tend to lose it very quickly. ALU is the classic example. For me I just learned to get along with muted or deadish feeling polys so I can play them until they break. I'm currently using weiss cannon ultra cable and can get up to about 30 hours of play from it before breaking it depending on how much singles vs doubles I am playing. It is pretty consistent feeling after the initial drop in tension and it's soft enough that I find it very comfortable to play with. I buy reels on sale and string my own frames so I can keep my costs down to about $5 a stringing. Everyone has to figure out what compromise works best for them.

 

[Trip]

@pegcity - What poly strings have you been using, exactly? Certain poly's are more physically resilient than others. And what gauge? Going thicker can often help with longevity as well. That said, you may simply hit hard enough that no poly/poly combination is going to last you all that long, even in thicker gauges.

Depending on your answer above and your taste in poly's, certain newer co-poly's such as Restring Zero, Toroline Wasabi, Wasabi-X and O-Toro are extremely slick, remain that way a lot longer, and their core materials have longer-lasting resilience than a lot of older poly's. That said, they are fairly muted in feel, which may not be your cup of tea.

As for a full bed of syn gut, it will typically snap on most players before the point at which poly would start to feel bad, even in the thickest gauges.

Ultimately what you want for a long-lasting string bed is retained snapback, plus dent/notch resistance and long-lasting resilience/rebound characteristics.

One such combo that I've found might be worth looking into is a hybrid, consisting of a durable-and-slick non-poly or partial-poly main string, with a soft-and-slick co-poly cross. My main example would be Tecnifibre Triax and IsoSpeed Cream; I've strung this combo in some G360 Radical MP's for a moderately-hard-hitting 4.0 client in the past, and it was lasting him 50+ hours routinely, with full snapback and playability all the way to the end. So that migth be a combo worth looking to.

Hope some of that helps!

 

[Chairman3]

Gamma Marathon 15L
Most control oriented and durable synthetic gut.
Lasted me about 10 or 11hrs.
Halfway through or so it loses quite a bit of spin.
There really is no syngut that will outperform a poly without some compromise.

The best thing you can do is poly main and syngut cross. You get more forgiveness and a little power but keep the spin and control of poly.

 

[Rabbit]

Try your normal poly with syngut mains

 

[pegcity]

thank you everyone for your replies.

the polys i have found best this summer is

restring zero 17 gauge. this string lasts me close to 15 hours and playability is great the entire time. after that the mains saw through and break the crosses. i absolutely love the pocketing, spin, comfort and power of this string strung at 45lbs.

hyper G 17 gauge. also getting around 15 hours of playable strings. great spin. a little less pocketing, comfort and power but i can totally live with it strung at 45lbs.

hyper G 17 gauge ROUND. this string lasted less than 10 hours and then started to lock up with notching.

are round string more prone to notching and locking than textured strings?
i would rather go with the textured string and have it saw through crosses after 15 hours than have a string bed lock up after 10 hours as i am likely to keep playing with them and potentially cause myself injury.

i dont think i will venture into a full bed of syn gut but perhaps i will try a hybrid.

i guess 15 hours of good playability from restring zero and hyper G is pretty good. was just curious if i could keep the same feel and spin but get some more time out of it. maybe i could try both of those at 16 gauge.

 

[Trip]

@pegcity - Very welcome. And your latest reply adds good info.

As you eluded to, I would say 15 hours of play from both Zero 17 and Hyper-G 17 is extremely respectable. If you like the playability, I personally wouldn't go looking to reinvent the wheel. Crossing either with a slick syn gut will give you easier depth with less effort and potentially longer playability before the string bed dies, but it's probably not going to offer the same level of performance in other areas, so while it's potentially worth trying just for the experience, I wouldn't expect miracles. That said, it looks like you've got at least 2 viable options so far, which is a great spot to be in.