Synthetic gut in Prince Classic Graphite 100 and 107
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fuzz nation
G.O.A.T.
I've messed around with a 107 in the past which I strung with 16 ga. syn. gut (too long ago to remember the tension). While I recall the 107 as offering a lot more string bed than I'm generally accustomed to in a racquet, the syn. gut felt pretty good. Not too soft, not too firm, but enough feedback that I could tell the difference between good and not-so-good contact.
Some years ago I was also playing a bit with the Prince NXG midplus - this is a narrow beam 100" frame with a layout similar to the Classic Graphite 100, but it was their first "grommetless" design right before they came out with their O-port models. I've always preferred the feel and performance of 17 ga. syn. gut and I remember using it in this frame at rather snug tension - probably up around 61-62 lbs.
I generally don't use multi's just because they can turn soft for me as they rack up a little mileage. I usually prefer the feel, performance, and moderate softness of syn. gut and since I string at home, I also don't mind if the thinner 17 ga. string has a little shorter service life than a thicker alternative. Syn. gut is also way more affordable than the premium multifibers. Works for me.
Gosen OGSM and Prince Original are two options where you probably can't go wrong. The Gosen will likely play slightly more firm than the Prince Original, but nothing scary there. At the right tension, they should both feel pretty good and run fine for you.
I've given Prince SG with Duraflex a few chances and the 16 ga. version of that string just plays too clunky for me. Syn. gut is plenty affordable enough that I don't need a tough outer wrap that kills a lot of its feel. The thinner 17 ga. version of the SG w/Duraflex worked okay - I got to use it for a while when I inherited most of a reel from a pal. I think the lighter gauge brings better feel for me in pretty much any string type I use.
Some years ago I was also playing a bit with the Prince NXG midplus - this is a narrow beam 100" frame with a layout similar to the Classic Graphite 100, but it was their first "grommetless" design right before they came out with their O-port models. I've always preferred the feel and performance of 17 ga. syn. gut and I remember using it in this frame at rather snug tension - probably up around 61-62 lbs.
I generally don't use multi's just because they can turn soft for me as they rack up a little mileage. I usually prefer the feel, performance, and moderate softness of syn. gut and since I string at home, I also don't mind if the thinner 17 ga. string has a little shorter service life than a thicker alternative. Syn. gut is also way more affordable than the premium multifibers. Works for me.
Gosen OGSM and Prince Original are two options where you probably can't go wrong. The Gosen will likely play slightly more firm than the Prince Original, but nothing scary there. At the right tension, they should both feel pretty good and run fine for you.
I've given Prince SG with Duraflex a few chances and the 16 ga. version of that string just plays too clunky for me. Syn. gut is plenty affordable enough that I don't need a tough outer wrap that kills a lot of its feel. The thinner 17 ga. version of the SG w/Duraflex worked okay - I got to use it for a while when I inherited most of a reel from a pal. I think the lighter gauge brings better feel for me in pretty much any string type I use.
graycrait
Legend
I have multiple copies of PCG/POGs in 93, 100, 107. The only way I like syn gut in them is stringing it up pretty tight. 65+ in the 100 and 70+ in the 107s. I like Gosen Proform Tuff 15L as well as anything, but I do have Prince Syn Gut 15L and Kirschbaum syn gut 17. Hybriding the Kirschbaum with either of the 15L's provides a different feel. Now that you have brought it up I think I'll go string up a couple.
I have the kirschbaum syn gut 17g and a prince Warrior 107l . Where do you hybrid the 17g and the 15l? What kind of feel do you get and at what tensions ?
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graycrait
Legend
If I string syn gut in a POG 107 in the 50's I'll launch the balls to the moon. I like the Kirschbaum 17 in the mains at about 60 or more, then Gosen Proform Tuff 15L crosses 68-70. Still get plenty of free power but more control. The only trouble the good playability seems to gradually disappear. I strung up some Prince Classic 15L in a 107 PCG at 72/72 today but won't get to hit till tomorrow. I have an identical weighted/balanced PCG 107 strung with Ashaway Kevlar x Zyex for comparison.
ushynoti
Rookie
I tried POG 107 tonight with Gosen OG Sheep Micro 17 at 56 lbs and it did launch...wow, we have gotten so used to low tensions with poly now that it seems like 60+ tension is going to break the racquet! 70 is pretty high still though. I'd say low 60s is probably still as high as I'd go...
junior74
Bionic Poster
I've tried many. My favourite two are Maxim Touch (very soft, good power) and Micronite (crisp, good control) depending on what you prefer. If you like to come to the net, few strings beat Micronite - very crisp and the feel is outstanding. From the baseline, I prefer Maxim Touch, which offers better spin and power (can be strung high without losing its supreme comfort).
Strings I really didn't like in PCG100 where Rip Control and AlphaGut 2000. They both disconnected me from the racquet's great feel.
I am aware these are multis, but multis are syntguts. Good luck
Strings I really didn't like in PCG100 where Rip Control and AlphaGut 2000. They both disconnected me from the racquet's great feel.
I am aware these are multis, but multis are syntguts. Good luck
shamaho
Professional
Interesting thread...
I'm also contemplating Syn gut and also the PCG 100 - my current racket is the PS97 and I made last couple stringjobs in Syn gut...
Liked it but problem is durability - lasts me between 2 and 4 sets, thus not the cost in itself but the cost in time it requires to be always re-stringuing... and worrying about breakage....
I have some poly currently in the PCG and although control is good, feel is meh.... (I don't have any idea which strings they are, I just got those 2 PCG second hand from a member in here
Anyways... I think I try the syn gut anyway....the PCG deserves a more classic old-school type string though definitely not in the tight range...
I'm also contemplating Syn gut and also the PCG 100 - my current racket is the PS97 and I made last couple stringjobs in Syn gut...
Liked it but problem is durability - lasts me between 2 and 4 sets, thus not the cost in itself but the cost in time it requires to be always re-stringuing... and worrying about breakage....
I have some poly currently in the PCG and although control is good, feel is meh.... (I don't have any idea which strings they are, I just got those 2 PCG second hand from a member in here
Anyways... I think I try the syn gut anyway....the PCG deserves a more classic old-school type string though definitely not in the tight range...
ushynoti
Rookie
I've been using YTex Touch (it's basically the same string as Wilson Sensation but cheaper) in the PCG 100 and it's been awesome! This racquet and any of the Prince Graphites are really made for syn gut and multifilament strings. I have not been able to get a full bed of poly to feel very good in them. I would eventually get used to it, but the multifilament feel is spot on! It might take 2-3 times out there to adjust a little to it if you have been using a full bed of poly, but stick with it, it really plays well, and I haven't had trouble getting spin with it. I have mine strung at 58.
If anyone wants YTex Touch, let me know, I can get it direct, I know TW doesn't sell it.
If anyone wants YTex Touch, let me know, I can get it direct, I know TW doesn't sell it.
I recently strung my frame with Forten 17 (@60 lbs) and it feels perfect, though i think i could go up by 2-3 lbs. That being said i have a question about the recommended tension. My frame has the prince lettering in white, not gold like the model currently being sold on TW and while the specs are more or less identical, interestingly i noticed that my frame indicates 55-65 lbs rec tension, sw 331 (See URL below) while the current ones are 57-67 lbs, sw 336. Do you know if there is a significant difference between the two issues even though these are average numbers? Thanks
http://www.racquetfinder.com/?name=graphite+&manufacturer=Prince
graycrait
Legend
I don't know about the current model. I have a couple of POG "gold lettered" Tour 107s and a "white lettered" version from a couple of years ago. I think the "gold lettered" Tours I have are just a couple of years older than the more recent "white lettered" versions. I swear there is a stiffness difference, the white lettered playing a bit softer in my mind. I may be wrong and often am, but that is what it feels like to me.
Thanks for your prompt response. Interesting, i think you may be correct in the sense the average stiffness of the gold may be slightly higher than the white and maybe the frame is a tad more powerful hence the higher rec tension (despite the 700 power level). I was just curious to find out if the difference was significant. I think the most recent version is probably a reissue of the older version you have. Thanks again
I play the POG OS and POG OS LB with syn gut (Forten Nylon 15L) at lower tensions (50-52 lbs) and find it relatively easy to control. I am a 4.5-5.0 teaching pro. You have to spin it or any sort of control, but I find comfort is much better at this tension. This would be even better with full poly, but for teaching that is unnecessary. Forten Nylon is actually rather stiff, which is why I think it works at a little lower tension.
grhcan99
Semi-Pro
I don't have a 15g nylon right now but have a 15L multi. You think that would still work at 50-52?
Yeah I think so. Depends on the stiffness of the string, but that should work. Again, you have to spin your shots to keep the ball in play
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travlerajm
Talk Tennis Guru
Love the feel of the NXG grommetless design. Uniquely grippy feel that works great with plain Jane nylon syn gut.
shamaho
Professional
Yah that's true about syn gut and PCG, I've used fullbed but quickly went to hybrid as the loss is spin was very pronounced. Spent lots time with poly / syngut hybrid, but lately feel that required a lot of work for a modicum of spin (or maybe bad string job dunno).
So recently trid the fullbed poly again (in a proportional string method and low tensions) and somehow I quite liked it, it allowed me to carve the ball whichever way I wanted almost, something I hadn't done in a long time, so that completely compensated that "plasticky" feeling...
I will go to NG/poly hybrid as soon as dry season arrives... that will be the best of both worlds I guess.
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Deleted member 54265
Guest
Yes I have the same feeling too, I prefer the most resent withe lettering.
With synt gut in the 107 strings move like crazy, feeling ok but could not deal with the strings moving all around. Same goes for most multi.
My prefered setup was a hybrid with gut/isospeed professional classic or fb iso.
One of the reasons I moved to TT100P with 18x20 stringbed, was the crazy string movement on the POGOS with multi.
d-quik
Legend
is that string control oriented, power oriented, or middle of the road compared to other multifilaments? and also does it resist string movement or is it more slippery (again compared only to other multis)
