Synthetic Gut or more expensive Multi for spin

kingp1ng

New User
I'm currently using Prince Syn Gut w/ Duraflex. Pure Drive Tour. If I use a multi string like Babolat Xcel ($20) or Head Velocity MLT ($10) will I gain noticeable spin production? Or am I wasting my money?

I don't really care about comfort in this case, since I know none of these strings are hard like poly. I'm just concerned about paying extra for a multi string that won't give me meaningful spin gains.

I'm not really concerned about string breaking either. I don't generate enough pace myself to break strings. It usually depends on my opponent. PSGD has lasted me from 2 days to 2 weeks.
 
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Tordne

Semi-Pro
The Babolat Xcel French Open (Black) has noticeably more spin production (for me) than Tecnifibre NRG2. The string database indicates the same thing, but I can absolutely feel and see that on the ball.
 

esgee48

G.O.A.T.
2 strings come to mind for spin oriented SG. Prince Topspin and Gamma Ruff. Topspin is a textured SG while Ruff has an extra filament wound around the string. Topspin is more durable than Ruff. Ruff bites the ball a lot better then Topspin. Order a few sets and make up your own mind. IME both theses strings are better than multis for spin production.
 

CopolyX

Hall of Fame
Remember that just because a particular string has better spin properties, that does not mean that the player will be able to hit more spin with it. The main contributors to spin, over and above the equipment, are the speed and angle of the swing. If the equipment setup causes the player, for control, strategic, or confidence reasons, to alter the swing, then there may be a decrease in spin. Alternatively, the player might speed up the swing or increase the attack angle or racquet tilt and get even more spin.
That, probably, is the reason that lab tests and playtests don't always agree for everyone.
TWU
 

Traffic

Hall of Fame
To add to CopolyX, some strings offer less power and so you can take a harder swing which helps to generate more spin.
 

Tommy Haas

Hall of Fame
If you believe the data in the string performance database MLT has the best spin but PSG w/Duraflex doesn't have a spin potential parameter.

The database spin ratings are from laboratory tests using a fixture and ball machine. It's not from actual real world testing.

I've played with both Head Reflex MLT and Babolat Xcel strings on the same racket and had more spin with the lower rated Xcel string.
 
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kingp1ng

New User
What I mean is: I know the spin potential jump from like Prince Syn Gut to RPM Blast is huge. But if I go from Prince Syn Gut to Xcel is the spin increase noticeable? Many TW multi string reviews don't mention added spin benefits.

I've played with RPM Blast and I must admit, I play well with RPM Blast when my energy tank is full. Once I get tired (especially on a hot day), my strokes deteriorate and I stop taking big cuts at ball. It seems like Head RIP Control is the overall consensus for multi spin on this forum. However, everyone also says that it's a b*tch to uncoil and string which I'm not sure my stringer will appreciate.

Are there any Syn Gut or Multi strings that are slick coated for better snapback?
 

CopolyX

Hall of Fame
the best spin is manufacturer by your hands.
what is more important, is just finding the very best string for you, your game and your frame...
being focused on buying spin in can/set/reel is strange.
we are putting more value and attention on a thing, put it back on you.

I am not saying equipment does not matter here but having the right balance of equipment that works best for you overall in your winning and fun game!
test, try, learn and yep...have fun
 

Tommy Haas

Hall of Fame
There are three general string playing characteristics that generate spin; not factoring in the racket itself and technique of course.

1. Ball Bite
2. String Snap Back
3. Ball Cupping

Back during the old natural gut days, spin came from ball cupping. Then came textured spin strings that grabbed onto the ball better, but they had a tendency to break quickly. Then poly became popular as it really bit into the ball, but wasn't arm friendly. Then came a new class of spin strings that slid and snapped back quicker for spin. Now we have hybrid combo spin spins that combine #1 and #2 while ball cupping has fallen out of favor.
 

BlueB

Legend
Op, just put the Isospeed Baseline in the crosses. It's slippery so more snap back from your syngut mains, it's very soft for a poly and dirt cheap.
Prestretch it and string at significantly lower tension then mains.

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kingp1ng

New User
the best spin is manufacturer by your hands.
what is more important, is just finding the very best string for you, your game and your frame...
being focused on buying spin in can/set/reel is strange.
we are putting more value and attention on a thing, put it back on you.

I am not saying equipment does not matter here but having the right balance of equipment that works best for you overall in your winning and fun game!
test, try, learn and yep...have fun

Thanks for the advice. I'm probably overthinking things. I'll stick with Syn Gut. Maybe later this summer I'll buy a cheap-ish poly and put that in my mains.
 

fuzz nation

G.O.A.T.
Thanks for the advice. I'm probably overthinking things. I'll stick with Syn Gut. Maybe later this summer I'll buy a cheap-ish poly and put that in my mains.

I string my own frames at home, so I don't need to worry about the cost of paying somebody every time I want a fresh set in one of my racquets. Since I also like to know what different string types have to offer, I sometimes sample a multifiber or a poly hybrid, just so I can do better "string talk" with anybody who wants recommendations if I restring for them.

While it will probably be an interesting experiment if you eventually try a poly in your mains, you might be getting what you need right now with syn. gut. I generally run 17 ga. syn. gut in my own racquets, but sometimes 16 ga. can be useful when it's really hot in the middle of the summer. Thinner string can really soften up for me when the mercury takes off, so I might put 16 ga. syn. gut in at least one of my rigs for some extra consistency instead of bumping the tension of my 17 ga. string too high.

Can't say I've ever tried a multifiber and been knocked out with how much spin it produced for me. There's usually some inherent softer feel with these strings, but that also seems to make them rather lively - including Head RIP Control. Unless I install multis at rather snug tension, they can soften up too much for me and that's no help with my spin or control.

The poly hybrids I've tried in recent history have seemed to deaden my string bed a bit. Volleys don't seem to have the same bite or zip with a hybrid and my serves don't seem to fly through the court quite so well. Some of this may be due to the firmer feel of the poly, but my side-by-side comparisons (same racquet model with different string setups) seem to have supported these impressions. That might help to boost control with a rather powerful racquet, but at least for me it seems to be a tricky tradeoff. I absolutely preferred the feel of thinner poly mains over fatter ones - closer to 1.20mm than 1.30mm.

A hybrid with poly mains and syn. gut crosses played a little dead and clunky feeling for me, but I've also tried the reverse layout and that seemed to make for a rather civilized setup - syn. gut mains and poly crosses. It seems as though the mains dominate the feel and performance of a string bed and this setup definitely felt more familiar for me. Plus, the poly crosses seemed to give the syn. gut mains more of a firm platform of support and a little bump in control. For a syn. gut player wanting to try a hybrid, this layout with the poly in the crosses at a few pounds lower tension than the syn. gut mains can be a decent first sampling.

Sorry for the novel, but just one more thought. I get all the spin I could want with one of my racquet models compared with the other that I also keep in my bag. Both models give me nice feel, acceptable softness, and terrific performance strung with 17 ga. syn. gut. Even when strung with a hybrid including a more "premium" shaped poly though, the changes were only mild for me. My spin factories weren't replaced by my other frames with their funky 21st century string jobs.

So I think that as long as you don't expect a miraculous transformation in how your racquet can work the ball when you try some other strings, you should have some fun trying this and that. String type and tension will help to dial in your fit with a racquet, but if you're routinely hurting for more control, spin, etc., you may need to look for a racquet that's more eager to provide that for you.
 
What I mean is: I know the spin potential jump from like Prince Syn Gut to RPM Blast is huge. But if I go from Prince Syn Gut to Xcel is the spin increase noticeable? Many TW multi string reviews don't mention added spin benefits.

I've played with RPM Blast and I must admit, I play well with RPM Blast when my energy tank is full. Once I get tired (especially on a hot day), my strokes deteriorate and I stop taking big cuts at ball. It seems like Head RIP Control is the overall consensus for multi spin on this forum. However, everyone also says that it's a b*tch to uncoil and string which I'm not sure my stringer will appreciate.

Are there any Syn Gut or Multi strings that are slick coated for better snapback?
Head Velocity seems to have a slick coating. Might want to check that out
 

CopolyX

Hall of Fame
There are three general string playing characteristics that generate spin; not factoring in the racket itself and technique of course.

1. Ball Bite
2. String Snap Back
3. Ball Cupping

Back during the old natural gut days, spin came from ball cupping. Then came textured spin strings that grabbed onto the ball better, but they had a tendency to break quickly. Then poly became popular as it really bit into the ball, but wasn't arm friendly. Then came a new class of spin strings that slid and snapped back quicker for spin. Now we have hybrid combo spin spins that combine #1 and #2 while ball cupping has fallen out of favor.
yep....technique is the place to start, not a string set..
if they want to buy spin...
try this (still takes a tad of skill )
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Outliar

Rookie
Quoting travlerajm,

"... I would say that in general, weight distribution and stiffness ratio are biggest determinants to spin potential (in that order), followed by string type, with string pattern/tension a distant fourth. For some reason everybody gives too much credit to strings and string pattern."
 

TheRed

Hall of Fame
What I mean is: I know the spin potential jump from like Prince Syn Gut to RPM Blast is huge. But if I go from Prince Syn Gut to Xcel is the spin increase noticeable? Many TW multi string reviews don't mention added spin benefits.

I've played with RPM Blast and I must admit, I play well with RPM Blast when my energy tank is full. Once I get tired (especially on a hot day), my strokes deteriorate and I stop taking big cuts at ball. It seems like Head RIP Control is the overall consensus for multi spin on this forum. However, everyone also says that it's a b*tch to uncoil and string which I'm not sure my stringer will appreciate.

Are there any Syn Gut or Multi strings that are slick coated for better snapback?
Outside of polys, Rip control on the cross will make any string bed produce more spin.
 
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