T Fight 315?
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dr325i
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dr325i
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dr325i
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Not 34.
34.3 would be even balance.
I would think this is about 33 or 33.3 will measure it later
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Ess
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The head size of the 95 inch Tfights are closer to 98 than 95, so I suspect these are true 98 if not larger.
RollTrackTake
Professional
Ugh. I thought TF had semi-decent QC. Guess I'll find out how my luck is tomorrow.
Hidious
Professional
That sucks.
dr325i, i know you're not some racquet noob, but I have to ask: isn't there an uncontrolled variable forgotten anywhere? You weighted them both unstrung with absolutely everything else being the same? 10g is a lot like you say, I had such hope in this frame
dr325i
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That sucks.
dr325i, i know you're not some racquet noob, but I have to ask: isn't there an uncontrolled variable forgotten anywhere? You weighted them both unstrung with absolutely everything else being the same? 10g is a lot like you say, I had such hope in this frame
I weighted them both strung with Solinco Tour Bite, TK82S pallets, Synthetic grip and Overgrip -- identical setup before adding lead.
The end result was putting 3 extra grams of lead in the hoop and 6g lead in the handle. I put no lead in the handle of the first stick.
Lefty78
Professional
I hate to give you a hard time, but you've got a lot of variables going on there, dr.
One would think that a monofilament poly would be pretty consistent, but two 40' sets cut from the same reel can often be a gram apart. Hard to believe, but true.
Head pallets, well +- 2 grams is not unusual for any given pair. I've seen worse.
Synthetic grips are generally more consistent than leather, but not always equal. Overgrips are no different.
If you're using a scale that only reads to the nearest gram, that's another opportunity for inconsistency. Ex, 330.0 and 330.9 can both read 330 on such a scale.
I'm assuming your mods have created equal balance points in addition to weight, but swingweight is another can of worms, and a vitally important one at that.
Pro customizers measure racquets at every step of the build process, starting with the hairpin. The bottom line is you will do yourself a service by measuring the racquets unstrung, before you've installed the pallets so you know exactly what you're dealing with. You can assess all the differences more accurately this way... I feel I should be able to articulate this more clearly and thoroughly but the wife is out of town and there is a long line of empty beer bottles on the kitchen counter as I write this... and I'm running out of steam. Besides, aren't you an engineer after all? You should eat this **** up.
Not withstanding that QC is a b!tch!!!
One would think that a monofilament poly would be pretty consistent, but two 40' sets cut from the same reel can often be a gram apart. Hard to believe, but true.
Head pallets, well +- 2 grams is not unusual for any given pair. I've seen worse.
Synthetic grips are generally more consistent than leather, but not always equal. Overgrips are no different.
If you're using a scale that only reads to the nearest gram, that's another opportunity for inconsistency. Ex, 330.0 and 330.9 can both read 330 on such a scale.
I'm assuming your mods have created equal balance points in addition to weight, but swingweight is another can of worms, and a vitally important one at that.
Pro customizers measure racquets at every step of the build process, starting with the hairpin. The bottom line is you will do yourself a service by measuring the racquets unstrung, before you've installed the pallets so you know exactly what you're dealing with. You can assess all the differences more accurately this way... I feel I should be able to articulate this more clearly and thoroughly but the wife is out of town and there is a long line of empty beer bottles on the kitchen counter as I write this... and I'm running out of steam. Besides, aren't you an engineer after all? You should eat this **** up.
Not withstanding that QC is a b!tch!!!
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ptr
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Maybe you should in 1st option use not silicone, but something harder, tougher? Silicone is quite elastic.
dr325i
G.O.A.T.
OK, that makes sense, however, what is the chance that all margins went one direction to the second stick (or vice versa)...
RollTrackTake
Professional
Got another 315 18M today. Feels almost exactly the same as the first. Can't weigh it or play until next week probably. I hate that work really gets in the way of my tennis at times.
Lefty78
Professional
Stranger things have happened, but yeah, it's unlikely. And pretty disappointing. In the future, if you buy two at the same time, TW is pretty good about picking a pair that's well suited to each other if you ask. They've done it for me, no charge.
dr325i
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Yep, unfortunately, did not buy them together.
Looks like I matched them with a little extra silicone and lead...
Took the lead out of the handle (the one I temporarily put in to match it to the other one).
It felt fine hitting with it today.
RollTrackTake
Professional
looking at the picture of the 325 and the specs it would appear as if they are from the same lineage. although the head on the 315 looks to be slightly more round/even. while the 325 head looks a tad oblong toward the top of the head judging from the pic provided by TW below. my eyes could easily be playing tricks on me.
http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/reviews/T325/T325Review.html
the_faceless_player
Hall of Fame
Anyone else think the paint on these is pretty soft? I dug a shot out last night and didn't think it was anything out of the ordinary. Lo and behold it took a decent chunk of paint out. My dunlops had much more wear but didn't seem to chip as easily as these.
dr325i
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I have used the PT630/280 (PT57A) for a few years.
This stick definitely has a tad more power, but just slightly.
It is flexy and soft, so, that is here.
It is also easy to customize as it comes at about 330g strung. The string pattern is similar, too, fairly tight, but decent access to spin.
I would say it would be a nice alternative to the Pro Tour.
maxpotapov
Hall of Fame
I would also ask how customized 16x19 or 18x20 compares to IG Radical Pro? Does it have thicker, fuller feel? I can put some blue tac under the trap door of IG Radical Pro, will it help?
I'm afraid I will have to buy all three of those myself
ProRadTour
Professional
Can anyone compare the 18M 315 to the IG Prestige MP?
dr325i
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The balance is similar and static weight/SW are lower on the TF315.
The feel of the TF is also softer and and flexier. TF also has slightly more power. Same spin and control.
Similar, just the TF is softer/flexier.
dr325i
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HAHA, great to hear she made it. I will be in South Florida next week if she decides to come down...
Please say HI to her!
How is stability and plow with this frame, especially against heavier shots?
I'm very interested in this frame due to the low flex but the SW looks too low for me. I know I can lead it up (I love to mod frames) but I believe that the static weight might be wrong for me in order to get to a SW that I enjoy (need to run the numbers in TW tool). I hit against a few guys with monster serves and have found that to return serve I need something with at least a little bit of heft.
I'm very interested in this frame due to the low flex but the SW looks too low for me. I know I can lead it up (I love to mod frames) but I believe that the static weight might be wrong for me in order to get to a SW that I enjoy (need to run the numbers in TW tool). I hit against a few guys with monster serves and have found that to return serve I need something with at least a little bit of heft.
dr325i
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What do you call a "monster serve"?
I have been floating around on strings. I have used Zarlon black for awhile and that's what is in the TF. It is a lively string, I may try something dead like hurricane tour and see if it helps. It did make the Pro Kennex Black Ace 98 feel better...
dgoran
Hall of Fame
Either that or hit a sweet spot on your racquet when returning
ProRadTour
Professional
Thanks for the comparison dr325i. Of the two, in your opinion which one feels more solid/stable stock?
I have had to add quite a bit lead to the IG MP, would love a platform based stick that I can add a little less lead to but still have comparable feel/stability.
dr325i
G.O.A.T.
Tough to answer for me as I never hit with the TF in stock form -- I leaded it up as soon as it arrived
ProRadTour
Professional
OK fair enough. With your customized setup which frame would you say feels more solid/stable?
In your opinion, is the TF 315 18M a better a frame?
Just trying to gauge the overall feel of the TF, to add some context I have played with and own the PT630, Bubmlebee, Radical Twin Tubes and iPrestige MP Frames.
Is the TF 315 18M closer in feel and overall performance to the classic head frames I have mentioned than the IG Prestige MP?
Sorry for all the questions, just trying to work out if I should buy a couple of these frames? I am in Australia, and can't demo the frame before I purchase.
dr325i
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It is DEFINITELY closer in feel and dwell time to the classics.
It is fairly stable stick (leaded in the hoop) and I really like it on the strong serve returns. I may get a chance to hit against Lefty78 on Tuesday, his serve is in the 110-115 range, so, I will tell you more
First Impressions with both the 18M and 16M are both really nice. I think they both hit very well and have more pop than I expected with the thin beam and low flex. They both feel very comfortable, and surprisingly stable in stock form. I come from hitting a racquet that is over 13 ounces, so I was surprised that the racquets were actually somewhat stable without any lead.
The 18M actually gets decent spin for such a tight 18x20 string pattern, but part of that may be the racquet head speed I am producing coming from a much heavier racquet.
I have always used tight string patterns, and was very interested in wanting to use the open string pattern version of this racquet. So far I really like it, and it just feels right to me.
The 18M actually gets decent spin for such a tight 18x20 string pattern, but part of that may be the racquet head speed I am producing coming from a much heavier racquet.
I have always used tight string patterns, and was very interested in wanting to use the open string pattern version of this racquet. So far I really like it, and it just feels right to me.
vsbabolat
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Because of the glowing review of dr325i. I decided to get a Tfight 315 LTD 18x20. I took off the OG Leather grip that is on the racquets to re-grip it the way I like and to my shock and surprise. I am staring at a HEAD pallet TK82!!!!!!!!!!! What in the wide world of sports is going on here!?
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Either that or hit a sweet spot on your racquet when returning
Yeah, I bet you consistently return 4.0 flat serves with a kid's 8 oz racquet...just by always hitting the sweet spot.
ProRadTour
Professional
I think the fact that it has head pallets is very cool. Not sure how accurate it is but I have heard that Bridgestone in Japan manufacture the Tecnifiber Pro Stock frames. Maybe the 315 LTD is a pro stock fame.
The 315 LTD is very enticing as you have so many options for customization including the Head S pallets.
Would love to hear your thoughts on the frame vsbabolat.
dr325i
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Hey man,
I was VERY surprised, too!
But I love it because I slapped the 82S pallets and go
I put the Head buttcap with the trap door if I need to add junk in there...
I have a pair of the 18M version that I have been using for a little over two weeks. Great racquets, but I'm still trying trying to get dialed in with them.
I ordered one strung with Rip control in 17 and one with Razor Code in 17, both full jobs at 56 lbs. Rip control is ok, but I'm not digging the Razor Code.
I ordered one strung with Rip control in 17 and one with Razor Code in 17, both full jobs at 56 lbs. Rip control is ok, but I'm not digging the Razor Code.
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