Taking Points that are known to be out

tntmail

Rookie
Robredo is such a $*$*$#(# wimp. At Hamburg today the ball was called out,
the mark was out, the umpire went and looked at the wrong mark, called it in, then realized it, and corrected it. Robredo demanded the he get the point when the whole planet knew it was out.
ATP supervisor got involved and they replayed the point. It was a key point that would have put Kohlschreiber up 4 to 2 in the second already up one set.

Now they are in a tie break.

I can't stand players that don't have the guts to play within the rules. What's the point of playing competitively if cheating is part of it.
 
I can't stand players that don't have the guts to play within the rules. What's the point of playing competitively if cheating is part of it.


Robredo, in fact, cannot help BUT play within the rules. Talking at the umpire is quite legal, and that's all Robredo has to offer - empty words and frustration.
 

boredone3456

G.O.A.T.
if the umpire looked at the mark and called it it for robredo, and then changed his mind, Robredo had a right to say something. the point was originally called for him, even if the chair looked at the wrong mark. I assume thats why he argued for the point to be is because after initial review by the chair, thats what the call was. The chair cannot keep changing mind of calls, as the chair has the final say and called it that way, even if he corrected himself.

as for shot spot...its not used on clay because the marks are visible and can be checked...but here is a case of that where it doesn't work...and I am sure this is not the first time a chair has looked at the wrong mark either.
 

tntmail

Rookie
Just one piece of info

if the umpire looked at the mark and called it it for robredo, and then changed his mind, Robredo had a right to say something. the point was originally called for him, even if the chair looked at the wrong mark. I assume thats why he argued for the point to be is because after initial review by the chair, thats what the call was. The chair cannot keep changing mind of calls, as the chair has the final say and called it that way, even if he corrected himself.

as for shot spot...its not used on clay because the marks are visible and can be checked...but here is a case of that where it doesn't work...and I am sure this is not the first time a chair has looked at the wrong mark either.

The ball was originally called out by the linesman
 

Alexandros

Professional
Robredo is such a $*$*$#(# wimp. At Hamburg today the ball was called out,
the mark was out, the umpire went and looked at the wrong mark, called it in, then realized it, and corrected it. Robredo demanded the he get the point when the whole planet knew it was out.
ATP supervisor got involved and they replayed the point. It was a key point that would have put Kohlschreiber up 4 to 2 in the second already up one set.

Now they are in a tie break.

I can't stand players that don't have the guts to play within the rules. What's the point of playing competitively if cheating is part of it.

So which rule did Robredo break to be called a cheater?
 

tntmail

Rookie
Robredo

So which rule did Robredo break to be called a cheater?

It was clear the ball was out and he did not care.

He just played on the fact that the umpire made a mistake which he admitted. So in the end it does not matter that he lost the point, clearly missing the shot long. It only mattered that he got his way and played on the semantics of the situation.

In my mind the rules are meant to guide players on how the game should be scored, not to enforce a known wrong.

He took advantage of the weak umpire and stole the point from the other player ie. cheating.
 
Robredo is such a $*$*$#(# wimp. At Hamburg today the ball was called out,
the mark was out, the umpire went and looked at the wrong mark, called it in, then realized it, and corrected it. Robredo demanded the he get the point when the whole planet knew it was out.
ATP supervisor got involved and they replayed the point. It was a key point that would have put Kohlschreiber up 4 to 2 in the second already up one set.

Now they are in a tie break.

I can't stand players that don't have the guts to play within the rules. What's the point of playing competitively if cheating is part of it.

There is not a single professional sport where the overwhelming majority of players don't willfully attempt to induce and take advantage of incorrect calls by umpires or refs. In basketball, football, soccer, and hockey players are constantly trying to draw foul calls from the refs that they know weren't actually committed by the opposition. Could you imagine in baseball or cricket a player who knows they were out but called safe by the umpire actually overruling the umpire in favor of the other team? Has this ever happened in history? Cheaters, all of them. Welcome to pro sports.

If this stuff really bothers you I suggest you try your best to get over it, or just stop watching, because you're in for a lot of frustration.
 

RedWeb

Semi-Pro
There is not a single professional sport where the overwhelming majority of players don't willfully attempt to induce and take advantage of incorrect calls by umpires or refs. In basketball, football, soccer, and hockey players are constantly trying to draw foul calls from the refs that they know weren't actually committed by the opposition. Could you imagine in baseball or cricket a player who knows they were out but called safe by the umpire actually overruling the umpire in favor of the other team? Has this ever happened in history? Cheaters, all of them. Welcome to pro sports.

I don't like your analogy. It would be equivalent to a the 3 basketball referee's all agreeing that the shot was not taken before the buzzer but counting it anyway because the original call was that it was good. Most of the situations that you refer to (taking fouls, faking fouls, etc.) are based upon relying on judgement calls. There was no judgement call here. The ball was clearly out.

Robredo took advantage of a poorer implemented rule (the umpire cannot recant their original decision), plain and simple. Did he break a rule? No. Did he act in good sportsmanship? No, once again.
 
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tntmail

Rookie
There is not a single professional sport where the overwhelming majority of players don't willfully attempt to induce and take advantage of incorrect calls by umpires or refs. In basketball, football, soccer, and hockey players are constantly trying to draw foul calls from the refs that they know weren't actually committed by the opposition. Could you imagine in baseball or cricket a player who knows they were out but called safe by the umpire actually overruling the umpire in favor of the other team? Has this ever happened in history? Cheaters, all of them. Welcome to pro sports.

If this stuff really bothers you I suggest you try your best to get over it, or just stop watching, because you're in for a lot of frustration.

I've seen the pros a number of times mention a clearly bad call in their favor was wrong. It happened in Roland Garros can't remember the exact point, but I remember the announcers pointing it out and saying that a number of the Pros on the circuit observe basic courtesy.
 
Tommy sucks. No talent, no sportsmanship, and no class.

It's not like he is gonna win a slam or a title in the remote future anyway. He's a loser on the ATP tour.
 

Hot Sauce

Hall of Fame
There is not a single professional sport where the overwhelming majority of players don't willfully attempt to induce and take advantage of incorrect calls by umpires or refs. In basketball, football, soccer, and hockey players are constantly trying to draw foul calls from the refs that they know weren't actually committed by the opposition. Could you imagine in baseball or cricket a player who knows they were out but called safe by the umpire actually overruling the umpire in favor of the other team? Has this ever happened in history? Cheaters, all of them. Welcome to pro sports.

If this stuff really bothers you I suggest you try your best to get over it, or just stop watching, because you're in for a lot of frustration.

Not a good analogy. In basketball there is a certain subjectivity to the foul calls being made. Some players/coaches/refs may see something as a charge, that others may see as a blocking foul. In this case, the ball was either in, or out. Robredo knew it was in.
 

montx

Professional
Cheating in anything is generally frowned upon but sometimes the biggest cheaters end up the biggest winners such as the movie "Catch me if you can"

Its really kind of a movie that show's how God's play works.
 
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