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leech

Semi-Pro
I played a ladder match Monday evening against a peculiar opponent. I should have realized this when I found him smoking a cigarette while waiting at the court for me.

I had fun and did not have any complaints, but he did several things that I'm guessing posters on this forum would not approve of.

(1) We did not wam up with mini-tennis. Instead, he started blasting groundstrokes at full speed. (While I personally do not like mini-tennis, I do like to ease into the warmup).

(2) He caught one ball that was clearly beyond the baseline. I had no problem with it.

(3) He took extended breaks at changeover to smoke. I didn't want to be a dick and rush him, so we just chatted a while between games. But we made up for time by not taking any breaks during some changeovers.

(4) He never called out the score before his serve. Eventually I started doing it for him, and then one time during a long game where we had about ten deuce points, he asked me to stop b/c it was obvious what the score was!

Again, I still had fun (it didn't hurt that I won rather easily, mostly because he was an extremely hard hitter with very low accuracy), but thought he would be the type of player to give some people on this forum fits!
 

r2473

Talk Tennis Guru
I played a ladder match Monday evening against a peculiar opponent.

I won rather easily, mostly because he was an extremely hard hitter with very low accuracy,
TT approves of anyone they can beat. He's fine.
 

OrangePower

Legend
I played a ladder match Monday evening against a peculiar opponent. I should have realized this when I found him smoking a cigarette while waiting at the court for me.

I had fun and did not have any complaints, but he did several things that I'm guessing posters on this forum would not approve of.

(1) We did not wam up with mini-tennis. Instead, he started blasting groundstrokes at full speed. (While I personally do not like mini-tennis, I do like to ease into the warmup).

(2) He caught one ball that was clearly beyond the baseline. I had no problem with it.

(3) He took extended breaks at changeover to smoke. I didn't want to be a dick and rush him, so we just chatted a while between games. But we made up for time by not taking any breaks during some changeovers.

(4) He never called out the score before his serve. Eventually I started doing it for him, and then one time during a long game where we had about ten deuce points, he asked me to stop b/c it was obvious what the score was!

Again, I still had fun (it didn't hurt that I won rather easily, mostly because he was an extremely hard hitter with very low accuracy), but thought he would be the type of player to give some people on this forum fits!
(1) I am tempting injury if I try hit groundstrokes from the back of the court before warming up. That's why I like mini-tennis. If my opponent wants to start from the back of the court, I can't stop him, but I will be standing at the service line to begin with either way.

(2) I have no problem with that.

(3) I can tolerate the extended changeovers, but would not be sitting next to my opponent chatting while he smokes. It's not that I'm anti-social; I would just prefer not to partake in his second hand smoke.

(4) Luckily I am not yet senile; so this would not bother me.
 

LeeD

Bionic Poster
Waste of my time to mini t warmup. What, you're dumb enough to hit full speed right off the bat? Do you run full speed after the first ball too? My volleys are close to 5 level. My groundies closer to erratic hard hitting 3.5. What should I work on in warmup?
Most social tennis, nobody calls the score. No big deal.
 

OrangePower

Legend
Waste of my time to mini t warmup. What, you're dumb enough to hit full speed right off the bat? Do you run full speed after the first ball too? My volleys are close to 5 level. My groundies closer to erratic hard hitting 3.5. What should I work on in warmup?
Most social tennis, nobody calls the score. No big deal.
Eh? No, I'm not dumb enough to hit full speed right off the bat... that's because I'll be standing at the service line or a bit in front of it.

Where you stand and what you want to work on in warmup is up to you... but probably warm up is not the time to be thinking about improving your 3.5 groundstrokes. It's called "warm up", not "groundstroke drill practice".
 

LeeD

Bionic Poster
Exactly....
I play mostly doubles.
Everyone warms up mini, like you. Once they serve, they stay back. If they are netperson, they drift back and tend to stay back when a lob comes. I can put the lob away clean, look over, and they're at NML, even if the ball is lobbed to my side.
When I play a set, nobody is dinking the ball to me. And I don't feed them a soft volley, either.
 

Tennishacker

Professional
Are there no rules for ladder matches at your club?

For me, the walk from my car to the courts are enough of a warm up.
 

leech

Semi-Pro
Are there no rules for ladder matches at your club?
The ladder has a number of posted rules, such as 10 minutes for warm-up and 3 minute break during change-overs, but doesn't spell out basic rules such as not catching a ball in the air or keeping score. The catch-all rule of the ladder is: In all cases, fairness and good sportsmanship should always be applied and common courtesy should always prevail.

The main objectives for me is to get some exercise, play a competitive match, and have fun. My opponent's behavior did not detract from any of those objectives.
 

Staidhup

New User
I once played a guy that refused to play mini tennis to warm up, when I did manage to convince him to start short it was all about putting the ball away, he couldn't just rally for the life of him. I learned later he had spent the prior hour hitting on the ball machine, and serving before I arrived, furthermore, had a reputation of never affording his opponents adequate time to totally warm up. His ploy failed him miserably.
 

steebo

Rookie
Is mini-tennis warmup a regional thing? I have played tennis for almost 30 years here in Georgia, and Tennessee, and never once seen men warm up like that. I have noticed ladies doing that but not often.
We usually start out with slow looping groundies, take a few at the net, hit overheads, then practice serves. It sounds fun, so I may try it next match.
 

SweetH2O

Rookie
I have a few hitting partners here in GA that like to warm up with mini tennis since we generally take our time to warm up. But it's pretty rare for someone to ask me to warm up like that before a league match when there is limited time for warm ups. I have seen ladies teams here all warm up with mini tennis often.

Me, I don't really care for it. But will oblige if the other person wants to start with it.
 

cork_screw

Hall of Fame
You seem like a very cool and tolerant guy. I know a lot of people at my club who would have made a scene or would act pissy about it. In the tennis community there aren't too many people like you (people with restraint and reserve). Your kind is a dying breed in this world.

I played a ladder match Monday evening against a peculiar opponent. I should have realized this when I found him smoking a cigarette while waiting at the court for me.

I had fun and did not have any complaints, but he did several things that I'm guessing posters on this forum would not approve of.

(1) We did not wam up with mini-tennis. Instead, he started blasting groundstrokes at full speed. (While I personally do not like mini-tennis, I do like to ease into the warmup).

(2) He caught one ball that was clearly beyond the baseline. I had no problem with it.

(3) He took extended breaks at changeover to smoke. I didn't want to be a dick and rush him, so we just chatted a while between games. But we made up for time by not taking any breaks during some changeovers.

(4) He never called out the score before his serve. Eventually I started doing it for him, and then one time during a long game where we had about ten deuce points, he asked me to stop b/c it was obvious what the score was!

Again, I still had fun (it didn't hurt that I won rather easily, mostly because he was an extremely hard hitter with very low accuracy), but thought he would be the type of player to give some people on this forum fits!
 

OrangePower

Legend
I'm surprised that I was the only one so far to comment on the smoking thing.

Maybe it seems strange to me because I'm in the bay area where smoking is viewed as a sin almost as bad as child molestation. But still, seems strange to smoke on changeovers. Is this common in your experience?
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
No, no one has posted about such an experience before. First time I have heard of this.

You are right about the second hand smoke. Many would not just refuse to sit beside him, they would discontinue playing, because the effects would still be there when they come a certain distance from each other. Some people get allergies and migraine attacks from just a whiff of smoke.
 

SweetH2O

Rookie
Smoking during tennis is not common in my experience. Although one guy asked if we minded if he smoked while we were actually playing (doubles and he kept a lit cig in his mouth during his partners service games a couple times).

If it had been a close match, I probably would have just gotten my sip of water and gone to my side of the court to show that I wanted to keep the game moving. During an easy win when I don't have to maintain strict focus, I'd let the guy smoke. I personally think the secondhand smoke thing is overblown in an outdoor setting. As long as they aren't blowing it in my face I usually don't mind it. But I understand that others usually feel differently.
 

Swissv2

Hall of Fame
Allo. My name is Monsieur Talk Tennis, and I must admit I am disappoint in court behavior of you to play tennis. Bad leech. Bad.

(1) We did not wam up with mini-tennis. Instead, he started blasting groundstrokes at full speed. (While I personally do not like mini-tennis, I do like to ease into the warmup).
You must, and will not deviate from, make great tennis warmup with opponent before big match, no. I highly recommend stop watch, 2 minute time, with loud voice: "2 minute warning" and go through clean groundstrokes, volleys, overheads, and finally nice smooth serves. Make sure acknowledge crowd to have them notice you are there playing.
(2) He caught one ball that was clearly beyond the baseline. I had no problem with it.
Bad behavior, him. Must immediately shout "code violation", and make note of issue in clear way: Violation penalized by point if violated.
(3) He took extended breaks at changeover to smoke. I didn't want to be a dick and rush him, so we just chatted a while between games. But we made up for time by not taking any breaks during some changeovers.
Sacrebleu! Time violation and pandering! Mon Dieu!, the thought. You must remain vigilant in this match. Vigilant through the end, because women and children count on their lungs to be strong.
(4) He never called out the score before his serve. Eventually I started doing it for him, and then one time during a long game where we had about ten deuce points, he asked me to stop b/c it was obvious what the score was!
The Last Straw. Equip yourself with a speaker phone to make sure clear announcement of the score is at hand!

My humble 2 euros. Which is more than 2 cents.
 

Larrysümmers

Hall of Fame
thats pretty cool of you to not care about him catching the ball and smoking, i take my pipe to the courts and like to puff during change overs, and not many people like that. and yeah i dont play mini tennis with the opponent. i like mini tennis, but for match warm ups im going to be at the baseline bashing balls up the middle. not calling out the score is no biggy as long as you dont care if i call it out so i can remember lol.
 
why do ppl equate mini tennis with volley practice? even at 3.5, surely you can uses a full swing groundstroke that land inside the service box? Esp all these posters with their fancy racquet set ups to help their big spinning games :rolleyes:

as for the smoking, I don't remember the last time I saw a tennis player smoking on or around the court, that's a really unusual one. (sure, I guess some players smoke, but you never see tehm do it at tennis!)
 
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kylebarendrick

Professional
And that's why mini tennis fails in warm-ups. Half of the people are hitting soft loopy groundstrokes inside the service line and the other having are trying to hit volleys on every shot.
 

Arsnlrob

Rookie
Seen the smoking, a guy around here will do warmups and play the first game with the ciggie in his mouth. I usually try to run him with drop shots and lobs that first game.

My wife and the women she plays with like mini tennis here in FL. The guys never do it.
 
And that's why mini tennis fails in warm-ups. Half of the people are hitting soft loopy groundstrokes inside the service line and the other having are trying to hit volleys on every shot.
oh, fair enough then. Different habits I guess.. Having been in junior squads and then playing open tournaments through to coaching now it's just what I have always done. There is a vid on TT somewhere of what the poster 'calls' mini tennis but it is pretty appalling, all dinky little slices and horrid moonballs, if this is what ppl think mini tennis is then I can see why you wouldn't want to do it.
 

leech

Semi-Pro
I'm surprised that I was the only one so far to comment on the smoking thing.

Maybe it seems strange to me because I'm in the bay area where smoking is viewed as a sin almost as bad as child molestation. But still, seems strange to smoke on changeovers. Is this common in your experience?
When I was in school in the Bay area in the late 1990s, I used to play pick-up basketball every weekend and there was always a couple of guys lighting up between games. But I played with mostly Asian dudes, and they may have a disproportionate percentage of smokers relative to other groups.
 

leech

Semi-Pro
thats pretty cool of you to not care about him catching the ball and smoking, i take my pipe to the courts and like to puff during change overs, and not many people like that.
Thanks. The way I look at it, I'm just trying to enjoy some tennis and nothing he did gave him an unfair advantage. No need to be a stickler for the rules and ruin a good time. He wasn't an *******; just came from a different tennis environment (never played leagues, and rarely even played matches).
 

Larrysümmers

Hall of Fame
Thanks. The way I look at it, I'm just trying to enjoy some tennis and nothing he did gave him an unfair advantage. No need to be a stickler for the rules and ruin a good time. He wasn't an *******; just came from a different tennis environment (never played leagues, and rarely even played matches).
there was some german fellow who used to smoke on switch overs and even asked the ref for a lighter.

for the most part people think its funny/weird when i spark up on court, but its just a part of my mindgames on my opponent :twisted:
 

Dave_D

Rookie
I don't understand the mini tennis warm up. A friend of mine does this and I've come to realize it is from people who have taken lessons, their teachers are the ones that get them into doing that. I just prefer to start with my groundstrokes, although I start off hitting them about 30% power and just work on accuracy and my hand eye coordination with the court and the background. This is the way the pro's do it, they start off with ground strokes as well and never do mini tennis.
 

TheOneHander

Professional
I don't understand the mini tennis warm up. A friend of mine does this and I've come to realize it is from people who have taken lessons, their teachers are the ones that get them into doing that. I just prefer to start with my groundstrokes, although I start off hitting them about 30% power and just work on accuracy and my hand eye coordination with the court and the background. This is the way the pro's do it, they start off with ground strokes as well and never do mini tennis.
You have to consider the fact that pros warm up on-court before their match as well as on a practice court for an hour or so as well. The TV warmup is partially for appearances and so that the players can get used to their environment-10 minutes of warmup would be a little low for that level of tennis.
 

li0scc0

Hall of Fame
You have to consider the fact that pros warm up on-court before their match as well as on a practice court for an hour or so as well. The TV warmup is partially for appearances and so that the players can get used to their environment-10 minutes of warmup would be a little low for that level of tennis.
That said, having seen about 100 D1 men's and women's matches, I have never once seen them do mini tennis before a match. They go out, hit their groundstrokes, do their volleys and a few overheads, some serves, and play. 10 minutes.
 

floridatennisdude

Hall of Fame
That said, having seen about 100 D1 men's and women's matches, I have never once seen them do mini tennis before a match. They go out, hit their groundstrokes, do their volleys and a few overheads, some serves, and play. 10 minutes.
I have seen them start hundreds of times with mini tennis on the back courts at UF. You just have to be there an hour before match time to see their whole warm up. Dynamic stretching, light jog, shuffles, skips, mini tennis, baseline at 50% power...then actual hitting. The on court 10 minute warm up is a small portion of their total "warm up". They have already warmed up for 30-45 minutes before the warm up on their assigned courts.
 

li0scc0

Hall of Fame
I have seen them start hundreds of times with mini tennis on the back courts at UF. You just have to be there an hour before match time to see their whole warm up. Dynamic stretching, light jog, shuffles, skips, mini tennis, baseline at 50% power...then actual hitting. The on court 10 minute warm up is a small portion of their total "warm up". They have already warmed up for 30-45 minutes before the warm up on their assigned courts.
When i was a D1 collegiate athletic trainer the teams never did mini tennis unless there were some hidden courts I didn't know about.
The rest of what you say, absolutely. Movement drills, rubber tubing work for those with problematic shoulders, preparatory work, etc.
 

tennis_pr0

Semi-Pro
When I warm up, at my level we start out hitting at a hard pace, we just keep it down the middle of the court. Mini tennis, not for me. Calling out the score, I do it, but unless my opponent is forgetting the score, I don't care if he does or does not. Smoking a cig during the break, well as long as he is only taking a minute or two I wouldn't care what he does. I think it's ridiculous to do so and wouldn't like it, but I wouldn't complain as long as he didn't take an extended amount of time.
 
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