Tankless hot water heaters?

ByeByePoly

G.O.A.T.
Don't go tankless if you frequently use hot water on demand (hand washing, dish washing, laundry, etc). People ordinarily GREATLY underestimate how often they use on-demand hot water (other than showers or baths). It may not seem like 60 seconds or 120 seconds isn't a long time to wait for hot water, but it is absolutely an eternity. It is also potentially a big waste of water. If you have a faucet that runs one gallon per minute, you are probably wasting a gallon of water just waiting for it to get hot.

I would definitely give it a great deal of consideration before you do it. You absolutely have no idea how a water heater of any kind will behave with your pipe layout, pipe makeup, and wall plumbing. Spending $3k or $4k... just to be hugely disappointed... that would be pretty bad.
I bought a new hot water heater Jan 2019 ... final installation cost was $2100ish if I remember correctly. I had no idea it costs that much for a tank water heater these days.


I intended to get a tankless, but looked like it would cost twice as much, so opted not to.

I had two main interests in tankless:

1) instant hot water ... not waiting that 1+ minute, particularly shower which is even longer
2) space saving in closet in indoor utlity room ... where my washer and dryer are. I figured tankless hot water heater and eventually new furnace would free up the space that is jammed in there now. Not that I use the space ... just a preference.

It is my understanding that neither the tankless or tanks have anything to do with instant hot water ... all have to travel your current lines (have to flush the cold before the hot gets to your faucet/shower head).

I had read about "recirculating lines" ... but @Shroud just educated me in his post above that there are tankless units with that feature built in. It is my understanding that you can put instant on devices at the delivery point ... like under a sink, but I blew that off because every device requires an electrical outlet.

So ... if one is wanting instant hot water ... might need to reasearch that.
 

Shroud

G.O.A.T.
I bought a new hot water heater Jan 2019 ... final installation cost was $2100ish if I remember correctly. I had no idea it costs that much for a tank water heater these days.


I intended to get a tankless, but looked like it would cost twice as much, so opted not to.

I had two main interests in tankless:

1) instant hot water ... not waiting that 1+ minute, particularly shower which is even longer
2) space saving in closet in indoor utlity room ... where my washer and dryer are. I figured tankless hot water heater and eventually new furnace would free up the space that is jammed in there now. Not that I use the space ... just a preference.

It is my understanding that neither the tankless or tanks have anything to do with instant hot water ... all have to travel your current lines (have to flush the cold before the hot gets to your faucet/shower head).

I had read about "recirculating lines" ... but @Shroud just educated me in his post above that there are tankless units with that feature built in. It is my understanding that you can put instant on devices at the delivery point ... like under a sink, but I blew that off because every device requires an electrical outlet.

So ... if one is wanting instant hot water ... might need to reasearch that.
I know when I used to sell them, we got sick of all the calls about having to wait to get the water warm...such a pervasive myth- instant hot water...that we just switched to the one that had the builtin pump.

Under sink is not bad either.

Best case tankless user is a hot chick. She can start the shower, go pose for her nude selfies and then after getting that perfect angle the water is warm. And then she can shower as long as she wants without running out of hot water.

If that is you and you are reading this i can supply the tankless heater if you supply the selfies and endless showers...
 

ByeByePoly

G.O.A.T.
I know when I used to sell them, we got sick of all the calls about having to wait to get the water warm...such a pervasive myth- instant hot water...that we just switched to the one that had the builtin pump.

Under sink is not bad either.

Best case tankless user is a hot chick. She can start the shower, go pose for her nude selfies and then after getting that perfect angle the water is warm. And then she can shower as long as she wants without running out of hot water.

If that is you and you are reading this i can supply the tankless heater if you supply the selfies and endless showers...
Informative with a hot chick thrown in ... very good.

Wouldn't the water pipes have to built in the house as a loop?
 

Shroud

G.O.A.T.
Informative with a hot chick thrown in ... very good.

Wouldn't the water pipes have to built in the house as a loop?
It was years ago and I recall getting that question. Short answer I think was no, there are valves that are standard that lets is happen. Every part of the country seems different so check locally and YMMV. Though thinking about it now it doesn't seem like its the case. I vaguely recall getting that question in a house, being stumped and then having it explained to me. But man that was a while ago.
 

ByeByePoly

G.O.A.T.
It was years ago and I recall getting that question. Short answer I think was no, there are valves that are standard that lets is happen. Every part of the country seems different so check locally and YMMV. Though thinking about it now it doesn't seem like its the case. I vaguely recall getting that question in a house, being stumped and then having it explained to me. But man that was a while ago.
Following is my assumption ... no expert on home construction.

The reason for my question is probably no house is originally piped that way. ??? So there is flow from point of heating ... but not back ... cold water filling the pipes. My house built on a slab, so my guess is any loop retrofit would have to be piped through my one story house attic. No thanks for me ... do not want water in the attic. I guess houses on a crawl space might be a more practical retrofit.

I guess I could Google ... but already replaced with $2000+ worth of tank ... not tossing it out. 8-B
 
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g4driver

Hall of Fame
Don't go tankless if you frequently use hot water on demand (hand washing, dish washing, laundry, etc). People ordinarily GREATLY underestimate how often they use on-demand hot water (other than showers or baths). It may not seem like 60 seconds or 120 seconds isn't a long time to wait for hot water, but it is absolutely an eternity. It is also potentially a big waste of water. If you have a faucet that runs one gallon per minute, you are probably wasting a gallon of water just waiting for it to get hot.

I would definitely give it a great deal of consideration before you do it. You absolutely have no idea how a water heater of any kind will behave with your pipe layout, pipe makeup, and wall plumbing. Spending $3k or $4k... just to be hugely disappointed... that would be pretty bad.
With a recirculating pump on my tankless RinnIa Hot Water system my water is hot enough in 15 -20 seconds I have turn the heat down.

Recirculating pumps solve what you describe. Three people in my house two of us taking two-three showers a day some days with no complaints of waiting for warm water and plenty of water in Charleston SC. 50+ inches of rain a year means no water shortage here.
 

mightyrick

Legend
With a recirculating pump on my tankless RinnIa Hot Water system my water is hot enough in 15 -20 seconds I have turn the heat down.
Recirc pumps are not specific to tankless water heaters. Any kind of water heater can have one. If someone is willing to buy a tankless water heater, plus the recirculation pump, and pay the money... more power to you. The vast majority of water heaters don't have recirculation pumps because by their very nature, they have hot water at the ready (unlike tankless water heaters).

To me, tankless water heaters are like trash compactors. They seem like they are a cool thing to have, they seem like the efficiency is worth all of that extra expense. But in the end, they aren't worth the trouble or the money.
 

ByeByePoly

G.O.A.T.
I did not understand all of the linked article below ... but does look like you can install a recirculation pump on both tank and tankless (like @mightyrick said). You can also do this for one pipe systems with no return line, and those with the return line (I called it loop).

Interesting ... I might have to check into adding that to my house. Pump can be installed at the hot water tank, or farthest sink if you put an outlet in.


 

g4driver

Hall of Fame
Recirc pumps are not specific to tankless water heaters. Any kind of water heater can have one. If someone is willing to buy a tankless water heater, plus the recirculation pump, and pay the money... more power to you. The vast majority of water heaters don't have recirculation pumps because by their very nature, they have hot water at the ready (unlike tankless water heaters).

To me, tankless water heaters are like trash compactors. They seem like they are a cool thing to have, they seem like the efficiency is worth all of that extra expense. But in the end, they aren't worth the trouble or the money.
Not cool to have.. Very nice to have. Life has many choices. Choice wisely. My brother had his first one installed in 1990 same brand in his custom built home. He has had them in three houses now and never experienced any problems. Having spent many a night at his homes influenced my decision when replacing my system.

I live in Charleston SC with required flood insurance where codes mandate where tanked hot waters can be installed. Mine could not be installed in my garage at my current home , unlike my first home in Charleston where a tank was placed in the garage. It is all about the flood certificate so I have seen houses with tanked system inside homes, inside garages raised high from the ground near the ceiling. Tankless is not rare in my area.

Try moving to an area with required flood insurance and then have two tanked hot water heaters installed on your second floor in walled end spaces with doors that a tanked hot water heater can't fit through.

My tanks were 15 years old. They couldn't fit through the door to be installed or removed so the old ones were drained , and capped and left in place. The tankless system is in my garage. My garage is 11' feet above sea level. Never had a trash compactor but they seem useless. Absolutely love my tankless hot water system and would never use a tanked system again.

The thought of a 5K deductible and filing a homeowner claim and going into the CLUE database vs 5K for a plumbing redo was a easy choice.

Just offering the opinion of someone who owns a system vs someone who simply speculates on them.
 

ByeByePoly

G.O.A.T.
Not cool to have.. Very nice to have. Life has many choices. Choice wisely. My brother had his first one installed in 1990 same brand in his custom built home. He has had them in three houses now and never experienced any problems. Having spent many a night at his homes influenced my decision when replacing my system.

I live in Charleston SC with required flood insurance where codes mandate where tanked hot waters can be installed. Mine could not be installed in my garage at my current home , unlike my first home in Charleston where a tank was placed in the garage. It is all about the flood certificate so I have seen houses with tanked system inside homes, inside garages raised high from the ground near the ceiling. Tankless is not rare in my area.

Try moving to an area with required flood insurance and then have two tanked hot water heaters installed on your second floor in walled end spaces with doors that a tanked hot water heater can't fit through.

My tanks were 15 years old. They couldn't fit through the door to be installed or removed so the old ones were drained , and capped and left in place. The tankless system is in my garage. My garage is 11' feet above sea level. Never had a trash compactor but they seem useless. Absolutely love my tankless hot water system and would never use a tanked system again.

The thought of a 5K deductible and filing a homeowner claim and going into the CLUE database vs 5K for a plumbing redo was a easy choice.

Just offering the opinion of someone who owns a system vs someone who simply speculates on them.
You has $5k in plumbing retrofit? What was added?
 

QuadCam

Professional
I've had the Niagara Industries Titan SCR3 tankless water heaters for about 15 years. They are small but power hogs! I have a 220V / 70 Amp breaker on my unit! Over the years, I've found the best way to use it. Don't set it to the max power! If you do, the unit will only last 2-3 years before you overcook some internal component. The good thing is NIagara covers the repairs and turn it around in a day or so. I spoke to one of their techs and he said the best way to use the tankless heater is to set it so that the hot water is the highest you'd ever want it when you take a shower. So, basically, I turn the shower to full hot and you can enjoy a shower for as long as you want....hours if you wish. ;-) The downside to setting it this way is that if you have 2 or 3 showers going at the same time, it won't be hot enough. IN that case, I just tap the button and turn the heat up another notch.

Using my heater in this manner, I have't had ANY issues with it in the last 6 years.

One other note, buy low flow shower heads in you go tankless. It makes everything work better.
 

mightyrick

Legend
Your post was great. Especially the last sentence.
Just offering the opinion of someone who owns a system vs someone who simply speculates on them.
I'm curious if you've ever speculated or offered opinions on anything you've never personally owned or participated in? Or perhaps do you expect disclaimers at the bottom of any post where someone offers an opinion based on the information they have at hand?

Don't mind me, though. I'm speculating on this scenario as opposed to someone having anecdotal experience regarding this scenario.
 

g4driver

Hall of Fame
Your post was great. Especially the last sentence.


I'm curious if you've ever speculated or offered opinions on anything you've never personally owned or participated in? Or perhaps do you expect disclaimers at the bottom of any post where someone offers an opinion based on the information they have at hand?

.
Nope and nope
 

g4driver

Hall of Fame
You has $5k in plumbing retrofit? What was added?
@ByeByePoly always good to hear from you. What are you hitting with these days?

For my plumbing retrofit, one 80 gallon tank and one 50 gallon tank both on the second floor were replaced by one tankless system. Had some work down on the master bath and kitchen also. Three plumbers wouldn't touch the project. I didn't build the house, I bought it. The tanks were 15 years old. Another company wanted to tear down sheetrock and put it in two different tankless units. It took having a 5th company give me an estimate before I felt confident the plumber knew exactly what he was doing. They weren't the most expensive. They did seem to be this most knowledgeable and answered every question without

Everything works as advertised and this Dec will be two years since the install. I don't need 60 seconds to 120 seconds to get hot water. I turn the water on and get in the shower. If every contractor did as nice a job as the company who replaced my HVAC units and water heaters, like would be great. The contractors who show up on time, clean up their own mess, and provide the negotiated service for the negotiated price get repeat business for a reason. Charleston isn't cheap for real estate or quality contractors, then again you get what you pay for. A coworker lives in Charlotte NC and owns a 3 bedroom condo on Isle of Palms (barrier island in metro Charleston). He told me contractors cost 3x what he pays in Charlotte. Then again Charlotte NC isn't surrounded by the Atlantic Ocean on one side and the intercoastal waterway on the other. And no I don't post book reviews of books I don't read and strings reviews of strings I've never hit with. I don't want to read string reviews by players who have never used a string. The ignore button is such an easy solution for people like that. :unsure:
 

ByeByePoly

G.O.A.T.
@ByeByePoly always good to hear from you. What are you hitting with these days?

For my plumbing retrofit, one 80 gallon tank and one 50 gallon tank both on the second floor were replaced by one tankless system. Had some work down on the master bath and kitchen also. Three plumbers wouldn't touch the project. I didn't build the house, I bought it. The tanks were 15 years old. Another company wanted to tear down sheetrock and put it in two different tankless units. It took having a 5th company give me an estimate before I felt confident the plumber knew exactly what he was doing. They weren't the most expensive. They did seem to be this most knowledgeable and answered every question without

Everything works as advertised and this Dec will be two years since the install. I don't need 60 seconds to 120 seconds to get hot water. I turn the water on and get in the shower. If every contractor did as nice a job as the company who replaced my HVAC units and water heaters, like would be great. The contractors who show up on time, clean up their own mess, and provide the negotiated service for the negotiated price get repeat business for a reason. Charleston isn't cheap for real estate or quality contractors, then again you get what you pay for. A coworker lives in Charlotte NC and owns a 3 bedroom condo on Isle of Palms (barrier island in metro Charleston). He told me contractors cost 3x what he pays in Charlotte. Then again Charlotte NC isn't surrounded by the Atlantic Ocean on one side and the intercoastal waterway on the other. And no I don't post book reviews of books I don't read and strings reviews of strings I've never hit with. I don't want to read string reviews by players who have never used a string. The ignore button is such an easy solution for people like that. :unsure:
First ... I would vouch for brother @mightyrick and brother @g4driver ... two good guys ... I can mediate if you two want. 8-B

I haven't hit since last October ... and have a lifetime worth of Velocity 16g and Kirkland super wide ugly white tennis shoes.

Sounds like a major HVAC job ... I was just curious if they had to run any more pipe. I have now come to the conclusion you can have the "pump/recycle" thing even if you have the old pre-1980 single hot water line with no return line. When I had looked into it a couple of years ago ... I was under the impression that you had to add a return line. Good to know I don't ... might add it at some point. I just timed my shower hot water this morning, and in 30 seconds it was warm, and by 40 it was hot ... so no big thing in summer. I think it takes a bit longer in the winter ... and those tiles in the walk in shower get frickin cold. Heated tile would go nicely with instant on hot water. (y)
 

ByeByePoly

G.O.A.T.
@ByeByePoly What have you been doing since Oct? Injured? Weren't you digging up a fence in dry barren dirt awhile back? :laughing: Perhaps that was someone else.
Yeah ... I was the fence/farm jack fool.

Past hamstring injuries, friends even older than me, pandemic ... but haven't given the ball machine or racquets away 8-B
 

mightyrick

Legend
I don't want to read string reviews by players who have never used a string. The ignore button is such an easy solution for people like that. :unsure:
What are you on? I wasn't providing a review. I was merely presenting an opinion based on my own research and talking to others here in my neighborhood when faced with the same decision for my own house. I have two tanks, both on the second floor. I faced a problem where an oversized tub was not being filled completely by one of the tanks, so I was faced with upsizing. I contacted folks I know in my neighborhood HOA on Facebook and asked specifically for opinions/experiences on tankless water heaters. As a result of that, I talked to a couple of people, one who currently owned one and one who owned one (and got rid of it). I investigated pricing. I read about how it was plumbed.

With all of that information, based on what I heard and read, I decided it wasn't for me. I upsized one of my current heaters and things have been fine since. So someone here asks a question and I offer my own observations for the considerations I went through.

You're an amazing person to never actually make a decision on anything unless you have personal experience. I'm curious how you bought your first house. Your first appliance. Your first car.

One thing I'll tell you, based on my own actual experience on this board for years, I instantly put jackasses and liars on my ignore list. It makes things quieter and reduces unnecessary idiocy in my life.
 

ByeByePoly

G.O.A.T.
What are you on? I wasn't providing a review. I was merely presenting an opinion based on my own research and talking to others here in my neighborhood when faced with the same decision for my own house. I have two tanks, both on the second floor. I faced a problem where an oversized tub was not being filled completely by one of the tanks, so I was faced with upsizing. I contacted folks I know in my neighborhood HOA on Facebook and asked specifically for opinions/experiences on tankless water heaters. As a result of that, I talked to a couple of people, one who currently owned one and one who owned one (and got rid of it). I investigated pricing. I read about how it was plumbed.

With all of that information, based on what I heard and read, I decided it wasn't for me. I upsized one of my current heaters and things have been fine since. So someone here asks a question and I offer my own observations for the considerations I went through.

You're an amazing person to never actually make a decision on anything unless you have personal experience. I'm curious how you bought your first house. Your first appliance. Your first car.

One thing I'll tell you, based on my own actual experience on this board for years, I instantly put jackasses and liars on my ignore list. It makes things quieter and reduces unnecessary idiocy in my life.
I don't like having my hot heater inside my house, it was in the garage in my previous house. The floor drain catches minor blowouts ... it caught mine when we heard the water flowing out of the top one day. :(
 

mightyrick

Legend
I don't like having my hot heater inside my house, it was in the garage in my previous house. The floor drain catches minor blowouts ... it caught mine when we heard the water flowing out of the top one day. :(
Yeah, I hear you. I actually don't like having them in the house, either. It's probably more for peace of mind than anything. Unfortunately, my garage is disconnected on a separate slab. Second story makes it a bit more complicated to flush, as well. A really LOOOONG hose. My last house was also a two-story and had a water heater in the garage.

I did find that the first-floor water heater did take longer to deliver hot water to the second-story in that house. But I'm sure that's more a function of sheer distance from the tank. The tanks in my current house are literally right in the middle of the second-story layout.
 

ByeByePoly

G.O.A.T.
Yeah, I hear you. I actually don't like having them in the house, either. It's probably more for peace of mind than anything. Unfortunately, my garage is disconnected on a separate slab. Second story makes it a bit more complicated to flush, as well. A really LOOOONG hose. My last house was also a two-story and had a water heater in the garage.

I did find that the first-floor water heater did take longer to deliver hot water to the second-story in that house. But I'm sure that's more a function of sheer distance from the tank. The tanks in my current house are literally right in the middle of the second-story layout.
I have never flushed a hot water heater in my life ... is that bad?
 

mightyrick

Legend
I have never flushed a hot water heater in my life ... is that bad?
Could be. It really depends on your water makeup. Well water or hard water without a softener (with a filter) should probably get flushed once every year or so.

Sediment and buildup can and will affect the heating ability of the unit. If you've ever had to keep increasing the target temperature on the unit to maintain a specific temperature at the faucet... it's probably time to flush it out.
 

ByeByePoly

G.O.A.T.
Could be. It really depends on your water makeup. Well water or hard water without a softener (with a filter) should probably get flushed once every year or so.

Sediment and buildup can and will affect the heating ability of the unit. If you've ever had to keep increasing the target temperature on the unit to maintain a specific temperature at the faucet... it's probably time to flush it out.
I think the unit I replaced was around 15 years old so maybe my water isn't that bad. Interestingly I had to turn up the temp on the brand new unit right after it was installed.

Settings are:
- Hot
- A
- B
- C
- Very Hot.

Installers set it at Hot, I had to go to B ... shower turned to max hot a little to hot but back off a little and good.
 

g4driver

Hall of Fame
What are you on? I wasn't providing a review. I was merely presenting an opinion based on my own research and talking to others here in my neighborhood when faced with the same decision for my own house. I have two tanks, both on the second floor. I faced a problem where an oversized tub was not being filled completely by one of the tanks, so I was faced with upsizing. I contacted folks I know in my neighborhood HOA on Facebook and asked specifically for opinions/experiences on tankless water heaters. As a result of that, I talked to a couple of people, one who currently owned one and one who owned one (and got rid of it). I investigated pricing. I read about how it was plumbed.

With all of that information, based on what I heard and read, I decided it wasn't for me. I upsized one of my current heaters and things have been fine since. So someone here asks a question and I offer my own observations for the considerations I went through.

You're an amazing person to never actually make a decision on anything unless you have personal experience. I'm curious how you bought your first house. Your first appliance. Your first car.

One thing I'll tell you, based on my own actual experience on this board for years, I instantly put jackasses and liars on my ignore list. It makes things quieter and reduces unnecessary idiocy in my life.
Let's try this again. Insert Olive branch emoji here. :) I have nothing against you @mightyrick Nothing at all. I've chatted with @ByeByePoly for a long time on here. He speaks highly of you and I respect him. The comment on string reviews of strings that people haven't hit with wasn't about you at all. Please don't assume it was. There are posters on here who post about strings they have never hit with or strung. I find it annoying that posters do that. I have never read any post by you other than this thread and no, you aren't on my avoidance list. :laughing: That is a very short list and the folks on it earned their spots. ;)

I was just offering you and others the solution to the 60 sec-120 sec delay in hot water with the recirculating pump for a tankless system. Clearly you don't need one on a tanked system. Just for grins today, I timing my shower. From the time I turn the water on to hot was 13 secs. I am sure that would be longer in winter, but today I had to turn down the temp shower. I did tell the plumber I take 2-3 showers a day in summer and he did something to ensure the master bath, gets hot water quickly.

The guy in your neighborhood who had tankless hot water heater removed likely got his installed by a company like the first four plumbing companies that came to my house to see the setup and do what I wanted. They couldn't answer basic questions and one wanted to tear down a wall in my house. (n) It took my 5 plumbing companies to get one that could answer my questions and give me the impression they knew exactly what they were doing. The first 4 plumbing companies failed that test. The last one did such a great job, I used them to put two new HVAC units in my home. Been very pleased with all their work. They weren't the cheapest company nor the most expensive one, but they did seem to be the most knowledgable when I was inquiring about the tankless systems and the HVAC units.

Like you, I research items, projects, and try to gather as much information as I can before making an expensive purchase. I am certain you know the level of competence between various contractors, plumbers, electricians, and other professions vary greatly. in 2008, I had a GI doctor tell me "You have irritable bowel syndrome" when I weighed 125 lbs and was eating 6000 calories a day. 18 months later after going through a series of tests that included fasting for every test, I was told I have Celiac Disease. I called back to the GI Doctor's office and told them to inform the doctor of my actual medical diagnosis. I asked them to ask the doctor if he was out the day they discuss that subject. :). It's an autoimmune disease with no cure, but can be diet controlled. When a 41-year-old man comes to your office that stands 5'9" and weighs 125 lbs and he tells you he is eating 6000 calories a day, perhaps a GI doctor should have considered Gluten, because Gluten is like Roundup is to grass to a person with Celiac Disease. My brother and I both have Celiac. Do you think I have ever been back to the Medical University of SC? :unsure: I weigh 165 lbs now and feel great no thanks to the MUSC doctor

@ByeByePoly knows both of us from this forum and speaks highly of you. That's good enough for me. My apology if my words or posts came across in a manner that wasn't intended.

If you ever decide to replace the hot water heaters in your house, there are good companies that can install tankless systems without long delays in getting hot water. On a side note, a friend of mine (GA Tech Engineer ) owns a rather large commercial HVAC company in Atlanta that owns a beach house in Fripp Island SC. While he and his wife were back in Atlanta, one of the upstairs toilets had a $3 value break/burst. For three weeks water flowed out of that toilet into his home. The damage was insane, and think they estimated 80K gallons of water flowed out before anyone told them.
 

dahcovixx

Professional
I've had the Niagara Industries Titan SCR3 tankless water heaters for about 15 years. They are small but power hogs! I have a 220V / 70 Amp breaker on my unit! Over the years, I've found the best way to use it. Don't set it to the max power! If you do, the unit will only last 2-3 years before you overcook some internal component. The good thing is NIagara covers the repairs and turn it around in a day or so. I spoke to one of their techs and he said the best way to use the tankless heater is to set it so that the hot water is the highest you'd ever want it when you take a shower. So, basically, I turn the shower to full hot and you can enjoy a shower for as long as you want....hours if you wish. ;-) The downside to setting it this way is that if you have 2 or 3 showers going at the same time, it won't be hot enough. IN that case, I just tap the button and turn the heat up another notch.

Using my heater in this manner, I have't had ANY issues with it in the last 6 years.

One other note, buy low flow shower heads in you go tankless. It makes everything work better.
Thanks for the advice

Nice price, its under $400.

My house was already replumbed, i have pex in the attic. All i need is power and someone to connect it. Im pretty handy, replaced the heating coils in my exisiting unit. They arent super complicated devices.

I generally dont listen to racket reviews or string reviews. No offense to the people who write them, but they dont exactly play like i do. Hearing a low lvl in san diego tell me about how stiff a racket or string is when they serve 50mph doesnt exactly correlate to my shots. Its like the guy who sets his racket to the same specs as fed for his tuesday night league match, im like WTF :-D:-D:-D
 

g4driver

Hall of Fame
Thanks for the advice

Nice price, its under $400.

My house was already replumbed, i have pex in the attic. All i need is power and someone to connect it. Im pretty handy, replaced the heating coils in my exisiting unit. They arent super complicated devices.

I generally dont listen to racket reviews or string reviews. No offense to the people who write them, but they dont exactly play like i do. Hearing a low lvl in san diego tell me about how stiff a racket or string is when they serve 50mph doesnt exactly correlate to my shots. Its like the guy who sets his racket to the same specs as fed for his tuesday night league match, im like WTF :-D:-D:-D
I suspect @J011yroger @MaxTennis and few other posters on here hit like you unless you're coming off the ATP tour. ;) @J011yroger posts some nice reads on strings for high-level players
 
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dahcovixx

Professional
They had a Rheem at home depot for $400 ish, dude said its like 800-1000 to install.

Waiting for that gov check :)
 

TheGhostOfAgassi

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I don’t get all this talk about water heaters. Lived many places and it has never been an issue as it was installed a good quality one from the beginning. And yes it was in the house, in cellar, not in a garage. Never heard about in my life about leakage from it, not from any house owner I know. And I know people that live of renting out properties.

If you really want to save money on electricity since it’s so expensive in the USA, (I guess that’s why this read was started, saving money?) invest in solar panels and get a cheap heater? IKEA I heard starting with solar panels, or call @Shroud.
Get an electrical car and get energy to that as well. Doing this well you can make money from the electrical companies.

@125downthemiddle this is something I would like to do later with our new house, solar panel the whole roof and just kick ass lol. But I want the cheap China or/and Ikea stuff. My half brother is in the electricity business and can install it. His Tesla is from energy made himself saving a lot of money every year. @Shroud isnt here in Norway.
 
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ByeByePoly

G.O.A.T.
I don’t get all this talk about water heaters. Lived many places and it has never been an issue as it was installed a good quality one from the beginning. And yes it was in the house, in cellar, not in a garage. Never heard about in my life about leakage from it, not from any house owner I know. And I know people that live of renting out properties.

If you really want to save money on electricity since it’s so expensive in the USA, (I guess that’s why this read was started, saving money?) invest in solar panels and get a cheap heater? IKEA I heard starting with solar panels, or call @Shroud.
Get an electrical car and get energy to that as well. Doing this well you can make money from the electrical companies.

@125downthemiddle this is something I would like to do later with our new house, solar panel the whole roof and just kick ass lol. But I want the cheap China or/and Ikea stuff. My half brother is in the electricity business and can install it. His Tesla is from energy made himself saving a lot of money every year.
OT ... told my wife I had Viking King blood ... and she said "Hey King ... take out the garbage". :love:

Tank water heaters can fail and dump a lot of water in your house. Same can happen with the hoses attached to the washing machine ... even the water line to your refrigerator. The joys of home ownership.
 

dahcovixx

Professional
Tank water heaters can fail and dump a lot of water in your house. Same can happen with the hoses attached to the washing machine ... even the water line to your refrigerator. The joys of home ownership.
Mine is in the garage with the washer n dryer.

If you want a real treat, try drilling into a pex line (in the wall) at 3am putting in a vanity that didnt even need a screw :-D:-D:-D

They told me $400, my sharkbite cost me like $12.

Im decent at plumbing now, only a couple things i cant do.
 

TheGhostOfAgassi

Talk Tennis Guru
OT ... told my wife I had Viking King blood ... and she said "Hey King ... take out the garbage". :love:

Tank water heaters can fail and dump a lot of water in your house. Same can happen with the hoses attached to the washing machine ... even the water line to your refrigerator. The joys of home ownership.
Its only from people in USA and U.K. I hear have problems with their “water boiler”. I remember from living in London the water boiler thing looked like a Skoda compared to the Volvo(safest car in the world) I’ve been used to in Norway. Looked fragile.
Where we live now, that thing is in the cellar, a place I never go as I am afraid of mouse and rats. I just know the insurance will cover any damage, and also it’s such a low risk anything will happen cause it’s unheard of, it’s not old. And it definitely doesn’t look like one of those in London. The water boiler is not a worry.
I live in a cold country, all sorts of heaters is something we deal with all the time. It has to be working every day.

Im a viking. I installed washer and dishwasher myself. It’s super easy. It’s not like one need an education for that. :-D Dishwasher was a little bit more complicated as needed a clamp. But it’s logical one has to secure the water not to go the wrong places. I saved like 300 dollars myself w installing it and tested myself with some Aune Sand original art. I wouldn’t install it again, it’s not difficult. I’ve installed lamps and electrical stuff too.
Maybe DIY is a Viking thing? Hate to spend unnecessary money when perfectly able to do oneself.
 

Turbo-87

Legend
OT ... told my wife I had Viking King blood ... and she said "Hey King ... take out the garbage". :love:

Tank water heaters can fail and dump a lot of water in your house. Same can happen with the hoses attached to the washing machine ... even the water line to your refrigerator. The joys of home ownership.
They sure can. That happened to me a couple of years ago. I went downstairs to do laundry and my feet went squish squish on the carpet and I heard running water. The bottom of the heater had given out and it was constantly trying to refill. Not fun.
 

ByeByePoly

G.O.A.T.
Mine is in the garage with the washer n dryer.

If you want a real treat, try drilling into a pex line (in the wall) at 3am putting in a vanity that didnt even need a screw :-D:-D:-D

They told me $400, my sharkbite cost me like $12.

Im decent at plumbing now, only a couple things i cant do.
Reduces a lot of risk of water damage with everything in the garage. I have never had my washer and dryer in the garage ... we get hot summers and cold winters ... indoor utility rooms are a real convenience.

Ouch ... puncturing pex at 3 am ... I feel your pain on that one. I keep my city main waterline and sprinkler valve T wrenches/keys in my garage ready to go. I do sprinkler line pvc repairs and faucet leaks/replacement/gaskets, toilet valves type repairs myself. I don't have any pex.
 

dahcovixx

Professional
I just know the insurance will cover any damage
Depends on the policy, for someone reason i dont think your familiar with how insurance works.

"Unresolved maintenance damage" AKA old hot water tank, isnt covered.

What Will Be Covered?

If the water heater began leaking as a result of an accident or an unpredictable event, the insurance company is likely to provide you with financial help. This will likely cover the losses you might experience during the cleanup process, including:
  • Cleanup and removal of the water itself
  • Removal of the debris lost as a result of the water damage
  • Replacement of structural components of your home lost as a result of the water damage
  • Replacement for any lost furnishings
However, your insurance company likely will not pay for the repair to the water heater itself. It also might not cover the cost to replace the water heater. Homeowners generally will need to cover these costs out of their own pocket.

 
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dahcovixx

Professional
Reduces a lot of risk of water damage with everything in the garage. I have never had my washer and dryer in the garage ... we get hot summers and cold winters ... indoor utility rooms are a real convenience.

Ouch ... puncturing pex at 3 am ... I feel your pain on that one. I keep my city main waterline and sprinkler valve T wrenches/keys in my garage ready to go. I do sprinkler line pvc repairs and faucet leaks/replacement/gaskets, toilet valves type repairs myself. I don't have any pex.
We get hot summers but rarely gets in the 30's here. Most people with a garage in florida have their laundry and tank there. I once lived in an apartment and it had one in the closet, condo's probably the same. You have a major threat taking up valuable space, but no where else to put it.

It sucked, was gonna finish the next day but nah, pop!!. I had to run outside and leave the water off for the night (no shower, smelled like a viking :( ) If that ever happens the water in the top of your toilet is clean, you can wash your hands there (dont drink it). If i used my neighbors hose at 4am i may get shot LOL, not gonna call them to ask at that hour.
 

ByeByePoly

G.O.A.T.
Its only from people in USA and U.K. I hear have problems with their “water boiler”. I remember from living in London the water boiler thing looked like a Skoda compared to the Volvo(safest car in the world) I’ve been used to in Norway. Looked fragile.
Where we live now, that thing is in the cellar, a place I never go as I am afraid of mouse and rats. I just know the insurance will cover any damage, and also it’s such a low risk anything will happen cause it’s unheard of, it’s not old. And it definitely doesn’t look like one of those in London. The water boiler is not a worry.
I live in a cold country, all sorts of heaters is something we deal with all the time. It has to be working every day.

Im a viking. I installed washer and dishwasher myself. It’s super easy. It’s not like one need an education for that. :-D Dishwasher was a little bit more complicated as needed a clamp. But it’s logical one has to secure the water not to go the wrong places. I saved like 300 dollars myself w installing it and tested myself with some Aune Sand original art. I wouldn’t install it again, it’s not difficult. I’ve installed lamps and electrical stuff too.
Maybe DIY is a Viking thing? Hate to spend unnecessary money when perfectly able to do oneself.
Good for you installing your own dishwasher. I replaced mine a couple of years ago and had it installed. Good thing ... because the old electrical wiring was fried ... sparks. That was a good time to have a pro doing it.
 

ByeByePoly

G.O.A.T.
We get hot summers but rarely gets in the 30's here. Most people with a garage in florida have their laundry and tank there. I once lived in an apartment and it had one in the closet, condo's probably the same. You have a major threat taking up valuable space, but no where else to put it.

It sucked, was gonna finish the next day but nah, pop!!. I had to run outside and leave the water off for the night (no shower, smelled like a viking :( ) If that ever happens the water in the top of your toilet is clean, you can wash your hands there (dont drink it). If i used my neighbors hose at 4am i may get shot LOL, not gonna call them to ask at that hour.
Put a sticky note on your frig ... all major plumbing DIY Monday morning. 8-B Man ... I am just shaking my head ... I am so feeling the pain of water running behind a wall. Jeeze :eek:
 

dahcovixx

Professional
Put a sticky note on your frig ... all major plumbing DIY Monday morning. 8-B Man ... I am just shaking my head ... I am so feeling the pain of water running behind a wall. Jeeze :eek:
Have you ever seen a Sharkbite? Just cut out the drywall, cut the pex and insert each end into the bite. You can feel them lock down.
One of my favorites. Pex is a pain the ass but the best, i dont have the crimping wrench (things are like $200+)

 

ByeByePoly

G.O.A.T.
We get hot summers but rarely gets in the 30's here. Most people with a garage in florida have their laundry and tank there. I once lived in an apartment and it had one in the closet, condo's probably the same. You have a major threat taking up valuable space, but no where else to put it.

It sucked, was gonna finish the next day but nah, pop!!. I had to run outside and leave the water off for the night (no shower, smelled like a viking :( ) If that ever happens the water in the top of your toilet is clean, you can wash your hands there (dont drink it). If i used my neighbors hose at 4am i may get shot LOL, not gonna call them to ask at that hour.
The horror story I read was someone going on vacation and the indoor washing machine hose breaking. The plumber that made the post said homeowners should turn the faucet off when they go on vacation. I never have.
 

dahcovixx

Professional
The horror story I read was someone going on vacation and the indoor washing machine hose breaking. The plumber that made the post said homeowners should turn the faucet off when they go on vacation. I never have.
Yep, turn off the main, takes a few secs (easy to turn back on) and leave the ac on 80+ or house gets moldy/funky
 

ByeByePoly

G.O.A.T.
Have you ever seen a Sharkbite? Just cut out the drywall, cut the pex and insert each end into the bite. You can feel them lock down.
One of my favorites. Pex is a pain the ass but the best, i dont have the crimping wrench (things are like $200+)

No pex skills ... Sharkbite looks like a great solution. I do have drywall patching skills ... if I have the matching paint, you would never know it was patched.
 

ByeByePoly

G.O.A.T.
Yep, turn off the main, takes a few secs (easy to turn back on) and leave the ac on 80+ or house gets moldy/funky
No ... the plumber was suggesting turning off the faucets behind the washing machine. But maybe protecting all leaks by turning off water main would be smart.
 

dahcovixx

Professional
No pex skills ... Sharkbite looks like a great solution. I do have drywall patching skills ... if I have the matching paint, you would never know it was patched.
They make them for all sorts of jobs now, my dad has 6 pipes going into the sprinkler system, he just used these when he had to replace the thing (forget name). Saves alot of time.

Drywalling was alot harder than i thought. I got insurance claim back and the they are billed at $110 an hour for ceiling work. If i do it myself the guy said id get the rest of the money (he was cool inspector :) ). Think they gave me 60% then the other 40% upon final inspection, seeing i used the money for that. $931 total for something i already did, just have to finish and paint

"8. Drywall Installer / Finisher - per hour 4.00 HR 110.00 0.00 440.00 (0.00) 440.00 "
 

ByeByePoly

G.O.A.T.
They make them for all sorts of jobs now, my dad has 6 pipes going into the sprinkler system, he just used these when he had to replace the thing (forget name). Saves alot of time.

Drywalling was alot harder than i thought. I got insurance claim back and the they are billed at $110 an hour for ceiling work. If i do it myself the guy said id get the rest of the money (he was cool inspector :) ). Think they gave me 60% then the other 40% upon final inspection, seeing i used the money for that. $931 total for something i already did, just have to finish and paint

"8. Drywall Installer / Finisher - per hour 4.00 HR 110.00 0.00 440.00 (0.00) 440.00 "
Just to be clear ... my drywall skills are just patching ... walls not ceilings. Some ceilings have a texture which would be tricky. Installing drywall is an entirely different thing. I watched my painter contractor crew put up drywall in my house, and watched enough videos to know that is a real skill. I watched a video of pros crews putting up the walls and ceilings crazy fast ... awesome skills.
 

dahcovixx

Professional
Some ceilings have a texture which would be tricky
Texturing is actually really easy, just mix the joint compound to the right consistency.

A smooth ceiling is the one that costs a ton. Mine are smooth, did myself :) Had popcorn

People put texture on their ceilings to hide imperfections
 

ByeByePoly

G.O.A.T.
Texturing is actually really easy, just mix the joint compound to the right consistency.

A smooth ceiling is the one that costs a ton. Mine are smooth, did myself :) Had popcorn

People put texture on their ceilings to hide imperfections
Good job doing ceilings yourself. The painters removed the popcorn in my house ... messy job. They put up light texture.
 
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