Discussion in 'Odds & Ends' started by pushing_wins, Feb 21, 2013.
if i were to start up a business, which would be the better choice?
both.... full life cycle of the product...
Whichever you choose, make sure you moonlight as a guy who repairs those holes people put in their ear lobes. They look like cattle ear tags for chavs.
I would go for tattoo removal. I've got 20+ tattoos and when you're involved in the "culture" so to speak you really get to see just how many dime-a-dozen shops are out there. That said, even if you don't have the best artists working for you there are always young kids who want a tat on a whim and don't care where it comes from. To establish rapport though you need good artists AND customer service on your side.
I prefer not to date girls with tattoos... Sorry, it's unattractive.
There's alot of people with terrible tattoos that they received. I think there's a little bit more profit in removing tattoos or doing cover-ups.
I dont know what the equipment costs are for either choice, but i can tell you my tattoo cost $350 (1994 prices) and when its all said and done it will have cost me nearly $2,000 to have it removed :-?
Same here, tats on females is just wasted money and worse looks.
Speak for yourselves! I dig girls with tattoos, but then again, I also have many many tattoos.
Get a franchise:
agree. . . . .
My friend got a Toy Story Alien tattoo on his shoulder.....
Why? What purpose?
Some people get tattoos just to show off how stupid and bad the tattoo looks and the decision they made...
Man I'm the only one defending tattoos here! I don't think anyone gets a tattoo with the purpose of showing off how stupid the idea is. Some people may think an idea is a good one and then regret it later though, happens all the time. Did he have a reason for the toy story tat? I have a tattoo of a zebra head, why? Because zebra was my son's first word. I've learned to not always judge right off the bat when it comes to tattoos. I've got tons of stuff that I've drawn up to represent certain things that are important to me, in passing i'm sure it seems to make no sense to the person that doesn't know the underlying meaning.
Traditionally, tattoos become less popular in bad economic times, most likely because it is harder to find employment so the large pool of available labor allows employers to discriminate more easily against those with tattoos. So, I think there's probably more money to be made in tattoo removal.
However, though I think it has slowed down, the turn of the century tattoo fad is still fairly strong among young people.
That's true... to an extent.
But in your case, did you need permanent ink as a constant reminder of that word your son first said?
You could've easily remembered it.
Lucky for you his first word wasn't "caca".
Well of course I didn't NEED it, all I NEED is food and water. But just like I enjoy tennis, I enjoy tattoos.
No he had no reason at all.
Not really the same thing.
I'm the unluckiest chap in the world with my tattoos.
At the end of last year I was getting my Jimmy Savile tattoo removed, now I'll have to go back for my Pistorius one.
Wait, what? You had a tattoo of the Blade Runner?
Overdrive is confused..
Okay, getting tattoos is different from getting food and water. Two of these you need to survive, one of them you don't. :|
I think the former may have some of our US cousins confused, but that made me laugh Mozz, how are you doing?
Well in that case he's just as bad as the thousands of people walking around with tribal tattoos that mean nothing!
Perhaps. What it really comes down to is difference of opinion, tattoos are one of those things that either you understand/agree with or you don't. I love everyone, bare skinned or decorated like myself
He is just as bad!
If you can make more money from removing tattoo's I'd say go for Tattoo removal. Or do both.
Personally I could never have a tattoo, I hate them. I have no problem with other people having them though, some people look cool with them. Much the same way I looked cool with long hair years ago (or so I probably thought...).
Incidentally this thread really reminded me of Dr. Seuss's "The Sneetches". An excellent book with a valuable lesson.
Not bad thanks Dave. How are you doing?
yeah we have a term for that kind of tribal, but it might be racially offensive:wink:...but i like my kind of tattoo from my own culture, and everyone elses culture...its meaningful....but i do appreciate modern tattoos as an art too
i have a tattoo...i never used to like girls with tattoos but now, its ok i guess...but i think id still be more attracted to girls without.
It's hard to be the one defending things that are unpopular, especially with the older crowd I think people are quick to judge things they don't understand, and the understanding portion of the argument is subjective, so there's no right way to approach these discussions. There are many anecdotal cases of good/bad tattoo stories, it's easy to judge. IMHO there are so many things that are more concerning in society than the act of getting a tattoo/piercing/etc, but we like to have things to talk about, I guess. In the end, if someone disagrees with you, it's simple to dismiss your reasoning if you're already "just wrong."
Maybe he gets to see it in the mirror on a daily basis as a reminder of what he's living his life for? It doesn't HAVE to make sense to you. I personally think it's the exact same thing as someone having self-destructive spending habits and racking up thousands of dollars of credit card debt. Why is it OK to criticize someone because they got a mark on their body, but it seems acceptable/accepted that someone smokes cigarettes, etc? IMHO, that's an equally visual indication of someone unable to reason/follow a logical train of thought, no? Is the counter argument that they can quit? Is it/is it not still a character flaw? Is being pre-disposed to addiction and/or fallacious images of 'cool' not at all comparable to having a "permanent" mark on your body? Is it the (opportunity) cost?
I'm all for people having their own opinions regarding body modifications, but there's interesting (double) standards when it comes to calling these decisions out, I find.
Couldn't have said it better myself, tattoos are definitely one of those really subjective areas. I've encountered quite a bit of judgement so I'm used to it but people are stuck in their ways.
DD, I did not question his character. You took that post way too close to heart or over-looked it. I simply asked him a question regarding the actual purpose and the reason of it. So far, he hasn't answered it. I asked another person with a tattoo and they answered it with complete nonsense. And I should've change 'permanent' to 'semi-permanent' (as they can be removed, but can cost a pretty petty).
I didn't say it HAS to make sense to me. Objectively, it doesn't make sense.
I didn't say that I accepted smoking either. I don't go into areas where smoking is allowed and I'm usually not around smokers because produces second-hand smoking. However, I'm not saying anything about their character either; it's just a preference on my health and what is best for me.
So you equate tattooing as being no worse than self-destructive spending habits and thousands dollars of bets?
That sounds like calling out someone for their decisions for having a tattoo!
Bizarre argument or very poorly framed.
Why should it have to be explained? That's my point. Do you go around asking people why they smoke? In that vein -- are you even curious? Assuming an individual smokes w/ no tattoos, and does not smoke w/ tattoos, I'd say the lifetime cost of smoking trumps a tattoo PLUS removal (strict out of pocket cost, not even including health). Objectively, to me (read as: subjectively), smoking doesn't make sense either, but there's not the same stigma attached to it. My question is why? You also quickly jumped to the conclusion of "lame," AND made the bold claim of all females ruining their attractiveness from having tattoos, pardon the knee jerk reaction (to your knee jerk reaction), but that is pretty close to a dismissal if I had to label it. Also, I was asking whether or not it was a character flaw, I think you interpolated that hypothetical a little far... I'm not attacking you, I'm trying to gather some reasoning here, as you've made the bold claim of objective sense above. My prodding point here is that there are a lot of things in life that don't make 'objective' sense, why should tattoos be sensible? I should also point out that you are projecting your bias on to everyone on the planet if you're claiming "objective" sense. Obviously it makes sense to SOMEONE (or, at the very least, it made sense to someone at some point). I'll have to question the objective claim, apologies if this rubs you the wrong way.
Yeah, my OP was poorly worded, reading it again. The previous sentence is actually very important from a contextual standpoint, though. The thought was a continuation of things that do or do not make sense. I'm not equating the act of getting a tattoo with self-destructive spending/smoking. I'm saying it's NOT equated when it comes to judging (making sense of things), assuming all behavior is less-than-ideal. It should be apparent why spending yourself frivolously into debt, OR increasing your own chances of lung cancer is a bad thing, right? Why aren't these behaviors questioned, but it's completely acceptable (read the thread) to make snarky remarks (resnarkies?). I'm trying (with little success) to point out that there's a stigma attached specifically to tattoos, and the stigma is one of 'self destruction' and/or irresponsibility and/or temporary lack of judgement. While this may or may not be true in many, many, many cases, it's not a fact. My question is: why the stigma? I'm also not referring to gambling above, although I guess that could make sense.
Edit: Reading your Sneetches comment above, I'd actually say we're arguing the same point, although my OP was worded pretty terribly.
Everything has an explanation. Everything. And the things that we don't know are because we do not have the resources or data to find the truth about it.
Well, It doesn't even matter about the tattoos because the people who remove tattoos for a living have to make ends meet somehow. So, the more nonsensical tattoos people get and later regret, the better the tattoo removing business will be.
Yeah, I did say that. I was raised in a conservative environment; however, I will make the judgement whether to pursue any relationships with a woman who bears a tattoo. I used the word 'Lame' as reference to a television reference.
I'm not taking it as personal, I understand your points.
I don't see the need for all the hate about tattoos. If they mean something to YOU then that's all that matters. All the prejudiced responses by people without them just seems unnecessary. Whether or not you understand the meaning or lack thereof is not really important, as in the end, the person with the tattoo is the one who has to deal with it.
I knew someone here was going to say that. That's the equivalent to a "get out of jail free card" to any conversation about subjective topics.
Like I said before, most people get tattoos just because of the more popular 'trend' of it and don't understand the meaning of it.
In the earlier tribes, tattoos can symbolize social status, accomplishments and specific tribe.
Sure they can deal with it, but it doesn't make sense for people to persuade others on getting a "love" or a "dolphin" tattoo or some crap like that for no other reason.
I thought I did answer it, I said that of course I didn't NEED it. I simply get tattoos of things that mean something to me because I'm interested in tattoos, I don't know what else there is to say. I think I'm as normal as the next guy, I just have ink.
Oh yeah, you did.
Like I said before, no one's character was in question.
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I feel like Overdrive is getting attacked a bit here and I don't like it! I'm just viewing it as a discussion, in my eyes it's just a difference in hobbies! Some folks like tattoos and some don't, so regardless of other people's views I just want to put it out there that there are no hard feelings on my part. I'm just excited to talk about tattoos on TW!
Eh, I'm not sure how to interpret your opening statement in the context of this thread, though. Isn't this the equivalent of the "get out of jail free" statement that you're pointing out below? What's the point of the opening statement? I'm not even trying to be argumentative here, I feel like I may be missing something. While there may exist an explanation for 'everything,' indeed; you're going to go through life and have many, many questions left unanswered by the time you die. Even if an explanation exists, what does this mean for each of us on a personal/day to day basis?
I should humbly note that I don't dispute the fact that people get dumb tattoos and make bad decisions. The semi-permanence is a reminder of this fact, and I don't dispute that the general approach towards getting tattoos should be one of/with caution and forethought.
I find it curious that you bring up a conservative environment, does having a tattoo make one a liberal? How do you feel about armed forces tattoos? Again, I'm not trying to hound you, but this is a curious statement to me. If it's a religious concern, that discussion is off limits of the board (per removal of R&R subforum, so I'll be happy to leave it at that).
In the end, it truly is your preference who you prefer/decide to pursue relationships with, but the fact that you denounced/dismissed people because of it seems to call one's character into question (physical appearance or not). I apologize if I made that assumption/posed a hypothetical question which 'called you out' where I shouldn't have, but I didn't feel like it was a huge stretch. I didn't mean to imply you were disrespecting someone else. It's cool with the 'lame' comment, but I'm not sure how I was supposed to catch on to the TV reference...
Yep. People hate this argument, but it really is this simple in my eyes. Question though, to those that think this is a silly argument: Is putting a tattoo in a visible location by definition an invitation to comment on it? I'd really be interested to hear peoples' thoughts on this.
In the end, though, does the discussion really have any bearing on your life? That's one of the reasons that the 'get out of jail free' card exists, because it's a silly discussion at the end of the day. Both parties disagree and there's no real resolution. If there was, this wouldn't really be a discussion to begin with. This is starting to feel like a Nadal doping accusation thread to me. One party says "it's obvious Nadal dopes, his results/recovery is unnatural. roll" The other party says "you can't prove it." The cycle goes 'round and 'round.
Well, I'm not going to comment on the diss there, and I don't think that was really necessary, but...
I think in all fairness we should be mature enough to acknowledge that there are some pretty terrible tattoos out there, and humans have been known to make a mistake or two over the course of history, and none of us are above that fact. I don't think meeting a dismissive statement with an insult is really the solution to this one, though
P.S. OP, sorry for the epic derail of your thread. These sorts of discussions are pretty much inevitable. I should warn myself.
Much agreed! As someone with both arms almost full I think it is an invitation for people to comment on my work and I don't mind it because statistically it's outside of the norm and people are curious. At least once a day I get someone that comments on my tattoos, they're bright and colorful and I haven't had one person say anything bad about them (to me at least!).
My comment wasn't solely a reaction to his responses in this thread but rather his posts all over the board, including some that are somewhat directly negatively inclined toward you and your moderation of this board.
In any case, out of respect to you and the topic of this thread, I have deleted my post.
If you were statistically overweight (outside of the norm [and lets assume you don't actively take care of yourself, and that it is 'within your control']), is that an invitation to comment upon physical appearances? Is it completely different? If so, why? (I'm just bringing up silly discussion topics, it's completely possible there should be little in common between the two situations)
I don't doubt it was, and I accept that I won't be well loved by everyone I don't think it's worth adding fuel to the fire over, though. Respect!
Good question! At one point before losing weight to join the Military I weighed 330 lbs and I don't think it's too different. Can you expect people to stare and make comments behind your back? Of course, but because it's such a sensitive and personal issue it's just not brought up to you directly, aside from concerned family anyway.
Behind-the-back comments aside, wouldn't you consider the act of getting a tattoo very sensitive and personal? Why are tattoos automatically public "fair game" for comments and/or criticisms? Is it because it's very "in your face"? It's a curious phenomenon to me. Maybe i'm being facetious, though. I'm very happy that in your experience, though, that having body art has been an overwhelmingly positive experience (w.r.t. strangers' feedback). I imagine it's not as easy for everyone
Yes, even though there is an explanation for everything, you may not know specific events in time that are unknown until after you die. There are more people who live on a day/personal basis, and I think these people are forgetting about what happened in the past (specifics).Heck, people don't even know who the 1st President of the United States was! Honestly, I have never seen a conservative has a tattoo. Austin (Very Liberal) is one of those areas where nearly everything is accepted there. It's basically the San Francisco of Texas to an extent.
In the Armed Forces, some of those guys get tattoos for the pride that they have for the unit that they served in. Others are pressured into having one...
Sorry about the TV preference.. and don't be sorry.
The only reason I can understand why tattoos are 'becoming more popular' are because they are 'conversation pieces' on their bodies. Remember when you have a very odd item in your house and the guests that come ask about it? Basically, it feel that's the evolution of 'conversation pieces'. Most people I see these days actually get tattoos for the attention...
This discussion does have bearing in my life because I see the number of ridiculous tattoos out there and the media 'eating' this up as a 'trend'.
That's true. This is one of those 'roundabout' conversations where the topic can go on forever.
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