Taylor Fritz comes down hard on the haters

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There are also those who, however, cannot tolerate superficial judgements. This is the case of the American Taylor Fritz, world number 4 who has just been beaten by Sinner in the final of the ATP Finals and in September in the final of the US Open. “What drives me crazy about these situations aren't the cases themselves,” Fritz says.

"It's hard to know exactly what happened/all the details in all these specific cases, so small talk isn't really my favorite thing. It's fine to have your honest opinions, but what I can't understand and what upsets me as a player it's the crazy prejudice of tennis fans who support whatever version is in line with their position If a rival of the player they support is positive, then they are part of the 'let's call him a dope/cheat/disgrace him as much as possible' team the story concerns their favorite player, then he is 'innocent without asking questions'", says the American.

“How do you not remove personal bias and form an educated and honest opinion? Even if as a player you can prove your innocence (I'm not saying anyone is or isn't) people who support opposing players are prejudiced towards you and will always continue to blindly claim that you are a cheater. This fact makes me truly sad for all the real innocent players who have to go through this," he concludes.
 
Sadly quite necessary for Taylor to point out that at least one should educate himself before speaking. This board is full of posts of people writing without trying much to process fundamental information.

Players are also getting hated on by sour losers of bets, which is becoming an ever bigger problem.
 
vokazu said:
Prove it lol. Prove it that Iga didn't take it from somewhere else and Sinner didn't take it from somewhere else.
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It is proven and accepted by ITIA and an independent panel based on written testimony, independent expert witnesses and documentary evidence and has met the level of evidence as required by the TADP.

However, what has not been proven, not even with a fraction of evidence, is that they intentionally doped.

How about you provide some evidence for your accusation?
 
jeroenn said:
It is proven and accepted by ITIA and an independent panel based on written testimony, independent expert witnesses and documentary evidence and has met the level of evidence as required by the TADP.

However, what has not been proven, not even with a fraction of evidence, is that they intentionally doped.

How about you provide some evidence for your accusation?
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Positive doping tests.
 
Taylor must be feeling a little gripe for losing out US Open and ATP finals to Sinner. The good person that he is, accepts that Sinner is cleared and was better player anyway. But inside there would be a little frustation
 
Winner Sinner said:
There are also those who, however, cannot tolerate superficial judgements. This is the case of the American Taylor Fritz, world number 4 who has just been beaten by Sinner in the final of the ATP Finals and in September in the final of the US Open. “What drives me crazy about these situations aren't the cases themselves,” Fritz says.

"It's hard to know exactly what happened/all the details in all these specific cases, so small talk isn't really my favorite thing. It's fine to have your honest opinions, but what I can't understand and what upsets me as a player it's the crazy prejudice of tennis fans who support whatever version is in line with their position If a rival of the player they support is positive, then they are part of the 'let's call him a dope/cheat/disgrace him as much as possible' team the story concerns their favorite player, then he is 'innocent without asking questions'", says the American.

“How do you not remove personal bias and form an educated and honest opinion? Even if as a player you can prove your innocence (I'm not saying anyone is or isn't) people who support opposing players are prejudiced towards you and will always continue to blindly claim that you are a cheater. This fact makes me truly sad for all the real innocent players who have to go through this," he concludes.
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A lot of haters on hear néed to hear this. Cause it easily could be on the other shoe, or table, or foot or whatever the saying is.
 
Rovesciarete said:
Sadly quite necessary for Taylor to point out that at least one should educate himself before speaking. This board is full of posts of people writing without trying much to process fundamental information.

Players are also getting hated on by sour losers of bets, which is becoming an ever bigger problem.
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True. We see this "syndrome" play out multiple times a day here...and on all platforms (sports, politics, etc) ad nauseum.
 
Lleytonstation said:
A lot of haters on hear néed to hear this. Cause it easily could be on the other shoe, or table, or foot or whatever the saying is.
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It goes the other way as well.

Personal bias in terms of nationality or having someone as their favorite player blinds folks to any of their sins and quick to accept anything they say as proof they did not cheat.

Before someone accuses me of being an Alcaraz fan or a Coco fan, the good thing about this forum is that one’s posts are preserved for posterity. I have posts praising SInner’s easy power and saying Alacaraz will never have that before Sinner won. I have a post when Iga was struggling after her first slam saying I consider her as having the talent to be an all time great. Yet now when I express my skepticism at both of their camps’ explanations, I am called a hater. I am not angry at Sinner or Iga. It’s just disappointing when talents like that feel the need to cheat.
 
mcs1970 said:
It goes the other way as well.

Personal bias in terms of nationality or having someone as their favorite player blinds folks to any of their sins and quick to accept anything they say as proof they did not cheat.

Before someone accuses me of being an Alcaraz fan or a Coco fan, the good thing about this forum is that one’s posts are preserved for posterity. I have posts praising SInner’s easy power and saying Alacaraz will never have that before Sinner won. I have a post when Iga was struggling after her first slam saying I consider her as having the talent to be an all time great. Yet now when I express my skepticism at both of their camps’ explanations, I am called a hater. I am not angry at Sinner or Iga. It’s just disappointing when talents like that feel the need to cheat.
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Yeah but there are also many that do come off as very bias. Even in this story. Some give iga a pass but not sinner. That is bias.

But my problem is now they are being trashed and accomplishments being tainted which does not only destroy their careers but all of tennis.

People need to just get over it and move on.
 
vokazu said:
I care about it because I have many friends struggling playing on the tour because of injuries.

It's not fair that these dopers get advantage while others who play by the rule are struggling.

The more dopers get banned the better.
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What do they say about doping in tennis? Is it wide spread or do they never hear anything about it?
 
Tell any non tennis fan the story that Sinner's team is putting out to the world as the true story of what happened and ask them if they believe it. It's a ridiculous story. Add on to that so many suspicious circumstances like his sudden increase in movement/stamina, multiple random missed events (which could mean trying to avoid bad times in the cycle) including the olympics which has strict doping tests, the fact that he didn't fire the trainer until after it came out, the fact that the ATP covered it up for months and is headed up by an Italian, the fact that he hired a law firm that is also the client of the people investigating him, and add to that that all parties involved have a huge financial incentive to find him innocent. I'm pretty sure there's also some other suspicious stuff too.

Every athlete ever says they're innocent and it was some random accident and most of them are likely lying. This case seems to have an overwhelming amount of circumstantial evidence pointing towards him lying but it's possible he's telling the truth. To imply that an informed opinion is only one that's pro Sinner is silly. Listen to what Tommy Paul said in the immediate aftermath a trainer doing what they described would be frickin insane especially when we're talking about the trainer for a top ranked player with infinite resources not for a guy ranked 150.
 
Lleytonstation said:
Yeah but there are also many that do come off as very bias. Even in this story. Some give iga a pass but not sinner. That is bias.

But my problem is now they are being trashed and accomplishments being tainted which does not only destroy their careers but all of tennis.

People need to just get over it and move on.
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If someone cheats and seem to be not even taking accountability or showing any remorse, I don’t care if their reputations are getting tarnished.

If other players are getting unfairly suspected , then it is more of a reason why the tennis drug governing bodies should have come down stricter on folks who do fail drug tests and offer flimsy alibis.
 
vokazu said:
Scientific doping test results are stronger evidence than oral testimony, which can be made up.
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And how do the positive results proves intent? Wouldn't intentional doping show a higher dose? Especially given the time between tests and the therapeutical dosage needed in order for clostebol to have any effect?
If anything, the trace amounts support the accidental exposure...
 
The Guru said:
There's still no evidence for Bonds either but use your brain
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I am using my brain. Moreover I am asking questions for which the only answers here seems to be 'trust me' or some other empty meaningless word vomit that says I'm naive for believing an independent tribunal with expert witnesses etc over an anonymous internet poster that claims it was intentional.

Again, I'm happy to change my view, if you can provide anything solid.
 
jeroenn said:
And how do the positive results proves intent? Wouldn't intentional doping show a higher dose? Especially given the time between tests and the therapeutical dosage needed in order for clostebol to have any effect?
If anything, the trace amounts support the accidental exposure...
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We can't prove intention, unless we can physically record human being's mind.

That's why I would support zero tolerance doping programme, meaning positive test equals life time ban, just like match fixing punishment.
 
jeroenn said:
And how do the positive results proves intent? Wouldn't intentional doping show a higher dose? Especially given the time between tests and the therapeutical dosage needed in order for clostebol to have any effect?
If anything, the trace amounts support the accidental exposure...
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This was beaten to death here when Sinner was caught. You can search and catch up on the threads. The minuscule amount can also mean his body had not completely expelled the drug. Iga’s story I might give a slight benefit of doubt even though I am not buying that either , but the Sinner story was a totally ridiculous one.

There were articles here which explained how his story made no sense especially given the context of many Italian athletes using the same excuse which then made the manufacturer put an explicit label warning of the consequences. Yet his trainer, from his highly paid and educated team that monitors every aspect of what goes into his body, goes and gets the same cream, magically cuts his finger, applies the cream, and then accidentally gives Sinner a massage? The excuse is so bad that one can only laugh.

As for the committee giving him a pass, it is like saying the foxes didn’t penalize the other foxes raiding the coop.
 
jeroenn said:
I am using my brain. Moreover I am asking questions for which the only answers here seems to be 'trust me' or some other empty meaningless word vomit that says I'm naive for believing an independent tribunal with expert witnesses etc over an anonymous internet poster that claims it was intentional.

Again, I'm happy to change my view, if you can provide anything solid.
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Honorable but useless attempt, now due to prejudice (Fritz is right) they have gotten it into their heads that Sinner intentionally doped and there is no way to make him change his opinion.
The judgment of competent bodies appointed to investigate the matter is not enough, where they all agree in not accusing Sinner of attempting to use illicit products to improve performance.
After all, what do you want bodies like an independent tribunal or Wada itself to be in the face of certain keyboard justice activists who scientifically couldn't even calculate how much 2+2 is?

But I think the most hilarious thing of all is when it alludes to a conspiracy by all parties involved to cover the player's reputation by making people believe that those positive results are due to accidental contamination.
If no one wanted to ruin the image of the player and consequently of tennis itself, then why did they release the notification of the positivity?
Why did Wada appeal?
Because Wada itself has appealed, however, asking for a disqualification of between one and two years for strict liability, and not 4 years which is the practice for those suspected of having intentionally used illicit substances, alleging, again as per practice, also that all the results obtained from the moment of the positive tests onwards were taken away?
In summary, Wada also wants to protect the player, and if so, why did he appeal? and if he doesn't want to protect the player, why did he ask for a sentence of only one to two years?

If someone wants to protect the image of tennis by covering up Sinner's possible attempt to cheat, why did the 2 positive cases come out?

In the reconstruction of certain keyboard conspiracy theorists there are events with holes in the script and they don't even realize it.
They have now gone off on a tangent with their own personal witch hunt.
 
jeroenn said:
I am using my brain. Moreover I am asking questions for which the only answers here seems to be 'trust me' or some other empty meaningless word vomit that says I'm naive for believing an independent tribunal with expert witnesses etc over an anonymous internet poster that claims it was intentional.

Again, I'm happy to change my view, if you can provide anything solid.
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I'm not saying trust me. I have no idea what was going on in Sinner's brain and neither does anyone else. I'm appealing to your abductive reasoning abilities. What's a more likely explanation for Sinner's two positive tests? The story coming out of the Sinner camp which is a pretty insane story but could be true. Or he was trying to get an edge by breaking the rules. I think if you took Sinner's name out of it and I told you a pro athlete got caught with steroids either he was cheating or this is what happened what do you think is the truth you'd say he probably cheated. Note I'm saying probably not definitely because I don't know but given the evidence it seems likely.
 
Winner Sinner said:
Honorable but useless attempt, now due to prejudice (Fritz is right) they have gotten it into their heads that Sinner intentionally doped and there is no way to make him change his opinion.
The judgment of competent bodies appointed to investigate the matter is not enough, where they all agree in not accusing Sinner of attempting to use illicit products to improve performance.
After all, what do you want bodies like an independent tribunal or Wada itself to be in the face of certain keyboard justice activists who scientifically couldn't even calculate how much 2+2 is?

But I think the most hilarious thing of all is when it alludes to a conspiracy by all parties involved to cover the player's reputation by making people believe that those positive results are due to accidental contamination.
If no one wanted to ruin the image of the player and consequently of tennis itself, then why did they release the notification of the positivity?
Why did Wada appeal?
Because Wada itself has appealed, however, asking for a disqualification of between one and two years for strict liability, and not 4 years which is the practice for those suspected of having intentionally used illicit substances, alleging, again as per practice, also that all the results obtained from the moment of the positive tests onwards were taken away?
In summary, Wada also wants to protect the player, and if so, why did he appeal? and if he doesn't want to protect the player, why did he ask for a sentence of only one to two years?

If someone wants to protect the image of tennis by covering up Sinner's possible attempt to cheat, why did the 2 positive cases come out?

In the reconstruction of certain keyboard conspiracy theorists there are events with holes in the script and they don't even realize it.
They have now gone off on a tangent with their own personal witch hunt.
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You're the type of person who would buy the Jon Jones picogram nonsense. You can believe Sinner's innocent that's not a crazy opinion but to act like there's no reason to believe otherwise is just incredibly ignorant. There are multiple retired athletes who have come out and said I was cheating the whole time and there are probably even more who did but don't say anything because they don't want to tarnish they're legacies. Some of these guys never popped for steroids once in their entire career. Sinner pops twice and there's no reason for skepticism at all? That's just a foolish opinion.
 
mcs1970 said:
This was beaten to death here when Sinner was caught. You can search and catch up on the threads. The minuscule amount can also mean his body had not completely expelled the drug. Iga’s story I might give a slight benefit of doubt even though I am not buying that either , but the Sinner story was a totally ridiculous one.

There were articles here which explained how his story made no sense especially given the context of many Italian athletes using the same excuse which then made the manufacturer put an explicit label warning of the consequences. Yet his trainer, from his highly paid and educated team wich monitors every aspect of what goes into his body, goes and gets the same cream, magically cuts his finger, applies the cream, and then accidentally gives Sinner a massage? The excuse is so bad that one can only laugh.

As for the committee giving him a pass, it is like saying the foxes didn’t penalize the other foxes raiding the coop.
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I was part of most, if not all of those threads. In no thread was it adequately explained.

- In order to use Clostebol as PED, it needs to be used in high dosage for a prolonged time. So It would have been caught by earlier tests. Clostebol is a fairly weak AAS to begin with.
- Claims of 'microdosing' remain unanswered as no one can provide any clue on how to successfully micro dose this particular drug, especially given the extremely high sensitivity of the tests on Clostebol and its metabolites.
- Claims of drug masking have gone without any proper detail on which drug is masked and how Clostebol is employed as masking agent in such low dosages.
- No one has come up with a single good reason why Sinner would engage in such a high risk / low reward proposition.
- No one has shown anything he did he couldn't have done through regular training or detail where the usage of AAS has gained him advantage.
- No one has explained why a weak muscle building PED would be a logical choice for SInner as PED, over something that would aid him in recovery or energy expenditure or ......
- You claim the committee giving him a pass, yet for the most part of the procedure, they didn't even know who they were dealing with, the defendant was an anonymous number. Where's the explanation of that?

All I've seen is 'It's intentional'. And the "ITIA is in on it" and "The ATP is in on it" etc etc yadda yadda ad nauseam.

Once more, I'm happy to adjust my view if someone can detail answers to my questions.

But other than vague cries of "naivity' or 'use your brain' etc, your side of the argument remains extremely anemic.
 
The Guru said:
You're the type of person who would buy the Jon Jones picogram nonsense. You can believe Sinner's innocent that's not a crazy opinion but to act like there's no reason to believe otherwise is just incredibly ignorant. There are multiple retired athletes who have come out and said I was cheating the whole time and there are probably even more who did but don't say anything because they don't want to tarnish they're legacies. Some of these guys never popped for steroids once in their entire career. Sinner pops twice and there's no reason for skepticism at all? That's just a foolish opinion.
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Let's not turn the tables, since the topic is those like you who don't even take the benefit of the doubt into consideration.

I have always said that only Sinner and his staff will know how things really went, given that justice itself is not always immune to errors of evaluation.
This is precisely one of those cases in which we will never have certain evidence to establish 100% the truthfulness of the defense testimonies.
So even now that he has been acquitted of at least the charge of intentional doping, this does not mean that there was 100% no intentionality.

What distinguishes me from people like you is that I take note of the verdict of the various sentences, given that from the outside it cannot be done otherwise.
Instead, people like you claim to know more about the case in question than the competent bodies called to investigate, and you do so by whipping up conspiracy theories without having a shred of evidence to allow you to do so.
If you are so convinced that it was all a conspiracy aimed at protecting the image of the player, and consequently the credibility of tennis itself, come forward in the most appropriate places and prove it, instead of filling this thread with random inferences without having any proof .
 
jeroenn said:
And how do the positive results proves intent? Wouldn't intentional doping show a higher dose? Especially given the time between tests and the therapeutical dosage needed in order for clostebol to have any effect?
If anything, the trace amounts support the accidental exposure...
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We can't prove intention. We can prove doping test result.

A little amount showing during test doesn't mean the player take that little amount only. It can mean they took big amount of dope and used it up during matches. It can also mean player can take masking agent (such as drinking alcohol) to mask the doping substance in their body .

We can never be sure what the intention of the player is.

But we can be sure to find doping substance in their body.

This is why banning positive test players is the only way to keep sports clean.
 
jeroenn said:
I was part of most, if not all of those threads. In no thread was it adequately explained.

- In order to use Clostebol as PED, it needs to be used in high dosage for a prolonged time. So It would have been caught by earlier tests. Clostebol is a fairly weak AAS to begin with.
- Claims of 'microdosing' remain unanswered as no one can provide any clue on how to successfully micro dose this particular drug, especially given the extremely high sensitivity of the tests on Clostebol and its metabolites.
- Claims of drug masking have gone without any proper detail on which drug is masked and how Clostebol is employed as masking agent in such low dosages.
- No one has come up with a single good reason why Sinner would engage in such a high risk / low reward proposition.
- No one has shown anything he did he couldn't have done through regular training or detail where the usage of AAS has gained him advantage.
- No one has explained why a weak muscle building PED would be a logical choice for SInner as PED, over something that would aid him in recovery or energy expenditure or ......
- You claim the committee giving him a pass, yet for the most part of the procedure, they didn't even know who they were dealing with, the defendant was an anonymous number. Where's the explanation of that?

All I've seen is 'It's intentional'. And the "ITIA is in on it" and "The ATP is in on it" etc etc yadda yadda ad nauseam.

Once more, I'm happy to adjust my view if someone can detail answers to my questions.

But other than vague cries of "naivity' or 'use your brain' etc, your side of the argument remains extremely anemic.
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Clostebol is also used as a masking agent for other doping drugs as part of those same conversations that you have been a part of.

You intentionally glossed over the ridiculous excuse of how the Sinner camp claimed he got it. So you really believe that one of the world’s top 3 tennis players, with a highly paid professional medical and training team monitoring every aspect of what goes into his body, goes and gets a cream that has a clear doping warning, the trainer then cuts his finger, applies the cream to himself, then doesn’t clean his hands and massages Sinner as well?

Note the camp didn’t even use the excuse that Sinner had erred because they knew that excuse wouldn’t fly. So they had to use a secondary excuse. Plus the trainer was not even let go when he failed the test. It was only a few months later when this came out in the open that the trainer was let go. If he truly did it accidentally why not excuse him? If they were that upset about the accidental exposure then why not let him go immediately?

The whole story is laughable. The only ones saying ‘trust me’ are the ones trying to hang on to that excuse.
 
vokazu said:
A little amount showing during test doesn't mean the player take that little amount only. It can mean they took big amount of dope and used it up during matches. It can also mean player can take masking agent (such as drinking alcohol) to mask the doping substance in their body .
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Yeah, that's not how it works in the real world. You'll need to read up on how doping tests, metabolism of substances, metabolites etc work before you continue this line of thought.
 
Winner Sinner said:
Let's not turn the tables, since the topic is those like you who don't even take the benefit of the doubt into consideration.

I have always said that only Sinner and his staff will know how things really went, given that justice itself is not always immune to errors of evaluation.
This is precisely one of those cases in which we will never have certain evidence to establish 100% the truthfulness of the defense testimonies.
So even now that he has been acquitted of at least the charge of intentional doping, this does not mean that there was 100% no intentionality.

What distinguishes me from people like you is that I take note of the verdict of the various sentences, given that from the outside it cannot be done otherwise.
Instead, people like you claim to know more about the case in question than the competent bodies called to investigate, and you do so by whipping up conspiracy theories without having a shred of evidence to allow you to do so.
If you are so convinced that it was all a conspiracy aimed at protecting the image of the player, and consequently the credibility of tennis itself, come forward in the most appropriate places and prove it, instead of filling this thread with random inferences without having any proof .
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I am giving him the benefit of the doubt. I am saying he probably cheated not definitely.

Courts get things wrong all the time especially when they have a huge incentive to do so. OJ was acquitted by an independent court do you think he's innocent? Or would saying he probably killed his wife be a conspiracy?

You and I have access to most of the same evidence the tribunal did. I think the conclusion they came to does not make sense given the evidence and common sense reasoning. People make mistakes in judgement. People also make "mistakes" when it positively effects their wallets.

No one is ever going to have any proof he definitely did it. It's impossible. We also have no proof Bonds cheated. But Bonds cheated. And only fools would claim otherwise. There was no concrete proof Armstrong cheated either until he admitted it. But people used reason to figure out what was likely the truth. That's not conspiracy theories that's critical thinking.
 
mcs1970 said:
Clostebol is also used as a masking agent for other doping drugs as part of those same conversations that you have been a part of.

You intentionally glossed over the ridiculous excuse of how the Sinner camp claimed he got it. So you really believe that one of the world’s top 3 tennis players, with a highly paid professional medical and training team monitoring every aspect of what goes into his body, goes and gets a cream that has a clear doping warning, the trainer then cuts his finger, applies the cream to himself, then doesn’t clean his hands and massages Sinner as well?

Note the camp didn’t even use the excuse that Sinner had erred because they knew that excuse wouldn’t fly. So they had to use a secondary excuse. Plus the trainer was not even let go when he failed the test. It was only a few months later when this came out in the open that the trainer was let go. If he truly did it accidentally why not excuse him? If they were that upset about the accidental exposure then why not let him go immediately?

The whole story is laughable. The only ones saying ‘trust me’ are the ones trying to hang on to that excuse.
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I didn't 'gloss over', I read the whole PDF extremely carefully. I opt to believe the independent tribunal that Sinner has met its burden of proof to the degree required for the ITIA to conclude no fault or negligence.

That tribunal included 2 independent doping experts who know all about masking and micro-dosing and which PED does what. And those two independent experts also didn't know who they were dealing with as anonymity is part of of the process.
Then there was a 3rd expert who concluded exactly the same as the first two.

Show me your experts detailing how the masking for other drugs with trace amount of Clostebol works in detail and refute the research and conclusions of the two independent doping experts, and we can have discussion.
 
mcs1970 said:
Clostebol is also used as a masking agent for other doping drugs as part of those same conversations that you have been a part of.

You intentionally glossed over the ridiculous excuse of how the Sinner camp claimed he got it. So you really believe that one of the world’s top 3 tennis players, with a highly paid professional medical and training team monitoring every aspect of what goes into his body, goes and gets a cream that has a clear doping warning, the trainer then cuts his finger, applies the cream to himself, then doesn’t clean his hands and massages Sinner as well?

Note the camp didn’t even use the excuse that Sinner had erred because they knew that excuse wouldn’t fly. So they had to use a secondary excuse. Plus the trainer was not even let go when he failed the test. It was only a few months later when this came out in the open that the trainer was let go. If he truly did it accidentally why not excuse him? If they were that upset about the accidental exposure then why not let him go immediately?

The whole story is laughable. The only ones saying ‘trust me’ are the ones trying to hang on to that excuse.
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They all seem like alibis which, however, coincidentally convinced all the bodies called to investigate the matter.
The truly serious thing about these allusions of yours is not so much wanting to pass off Sinner as someone who tried to cheat, but rather thinking;

1) That those who were called to judge/investigate the case are totally incompetent.

2) That those who were called to judge/investigate the case are corrupt, including the World Anti-Doping Agency itself.

Having said that, I'll explain to you why Sinner couldn't immediately fire his two staff members responsible for the contamination.
Simply because before the news of the positive cases became public knowledge we had to wait for the first instance ruling of the independent court, until then all procedures had to be carried out in the utmost confidentiality.
So if within this confidentiality that you are required to maintain you decide to fire the two members of your staff responsible for the contamination, the dismissal without public reason would have made many suspicious, don't you think?
In the series, after some tournaments in which Naldi and Ferrara were not present someone would have started to ask the player for clarification, and in that case what should he have replied?
 
mcs1970 said:
Plus the trainer was not even let go when he failed the test. It was only a few months later when this came out in the open that the trainer was let go. If he truly did it accidentally why not excuse him? If they were that upset about the accidental exposure then why not let him go immediately?

The whole story is laughable. The only ones saying ‘trust me’ are the ones trying to hang on to that excuse.
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This is the really damning part to me. Imagine yourself in this position if the story is true. Someone almost ruined everything you've worked for your whole life with an insane amount of negligence. The level of incompetence you'd have to have as the trainer to make this mistake is unforgivable and I would feel an immense amount of betrayal. It's the easiest you're fired decision you could ever have but he still trusts him to work on him for months after then fires him as a cold calculated PR move. That is not the behavior of an innocent man.
 
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