Taylor Fritz vs Tomas Berdych

[Berrettini_Fan]

Who is the greater player?

Berdych Stats
Slam Finals: 1 (lost in straights to Nadal)
Masters Titles: 1
Overall Titles: 13
Slam SF: 7
Slam QF: 17
Slam Record: 146-61 (71%)
Most Notable Achievement: 2-1 record vs Djokovic at Wimbledon

Fritz Stats
Slam Finals: 1 (lost in straights to Sinner)
Masters Titles: 1
Overall Titles: 8
Slam SF: 1
Slam QF: 5
Slam Record: 53-33 (62%)
Most Notable Achievement: Lost twice in slams to opponents with abdominal tears (2021 AO and 2022 Wimbledon)

 

[Mainad]

Judging by the stats, it looks like it has to be Berdych.

 

[Berrettini_Fan]

Judging by the stats, it looks like it has to be Berdych.

But what if you judge it by feelings?

 

[Mainad]

But what if you judge it by feelings?

Probably still Berdych.

 

[Berrettini_Fan]

Probably still Berdych.

Ok, last one...by looks?

 

[Bambooman]

I would have to see Berdych play against a torn ab at least once.

 

[inflation_era]

Ok, last one...by looks?

Looks of their mates?

 

[ErrorMachine]

Battle of the number 4s!
It’s too close for me to call, but it would have been a great match to watch

 

[kevin qmto]

Ok, last one...by looks?

Taylor can finally win one.

 

[Berrettini_Fan]

Taylor can finally win one.

Even going by looks, this one is a toss-up. We need @Federer and Del Potro to make the call.

 

[nolefam_2024]

Berdych easily for now.

Fritz has 1 slam semifinal IIRC.

Slams are not everything but they matter a lot.

 

[Federer and Del Potro]

Even going by looks, this one is a toss-up. We need @Federer and Del Potro to make the call.

Actually an intriguing matchup . I will have to crunch the numbers. Good thread

 

[nolefam_2024]

7 slam semis is hard to beat.

He was beaten by the best for reaching to final. Not Tiafoe.

 

[Berrettini_Fan]

7 slam semis is hard to beat.

He was beaten by the best for reaching to final. Not Tiafoe.

How many other players have had to face all Big 3 members in the same Slam (consecutively, at that)?

 

[Poisoned Slice]

Berdych.

 

[Winner Sinner]

Sinner has always been compared naively or more simply incompetently to Berdych, when in reality the current Berdych for characteristics is more identifiable precisely in Fritz.
Both equipped with a very incisive serve and very solid fundamentals from the baseline and with a very aggressive game, but both who also have their weak point in the movement obviously calibrated to the elite level.

The answer to the thread is almost too banal, to date indisputably Berdych, but this does not take away the fact that between the two there are actually several similarities in terms of characteristics and styles of play.

 

[nolefam_2024]

Sinner has always been compared naively or more simply incompetently to Berdych, when in reality the current Berdych for characteristics is more identifiable precisely in Fritz.
Both equipped with a very incisive serve and very solid fundamentals from the baseline and with a very aggressive game, but both who also have their weak point in the movement obviously calibrated to the elite level.

The answer to the thread is almost too banal, to date indisputably Berdych, but this does not take away the fact that between the two there are actually several similarities in terms of characteristics and styles of play.

Very good point.

Need a good comparison stroke by stroke between these two.

 

[edberg volleys]

Bird

 

[Mainad]

Ok, last one...by looks?

Berdych again?

 

[roysid]

Berdych had troubled Federer a lot. Beat him at olympics, W, USO and was 2 sets to love at AO.
He had many tough matches against Nadal too and won twice against djokovic in W.

Fritz never won against such high opposition

 

[junior74]

Berdych again?

The winner takes it all, no?

 

[junior74]

Bird

Bird is the word

 

[mike danny]

@Federer and Del Potro, you gonna let him talk about your dad like this?

 

[sureshs]

Who is the greater player?

Berdych Stats
Slam Finals: 1 (lost in straights to Nadal)
Masters Titles: 1
Overall Titles: 13
Slam SF: 7
Slam QF: 17
Slam Record: 146-61 (71%)
Most Notable Achievement: 2-1 record vs Djokovic at Wimbledon

Fritz Stats
Slam Finals: 1 (lost in straights to Sinner)
Masters Titles: 1
Overall Titles: 8
Slam SF: 1
Slam QF: 5
Slam Record: 53-33 (62%)
Most Notable Achievement: Lost twice in slams to opponents with abdominal tears (2021 AO and 2022 Wimbledon)

Who has more beautiful girlfriend?

 

[vive le beau jeu !]

Most Notable Achievement: Lost twice in slams to opponents with abdominal tears (2021 AO and 2022 Wimbledon)

that's gotta sting a lil bit...

#TearsForFritz #BreakItDownAgain​

 

[CHillTennis]

Judging by the way that Berdych 2.0 destroyed Fritz in the US Open finals, I would say Berdych is greater than Fritz.

 

[timnz]

Both the same height - 6 ft 5" - is that why you are comparing them?

 

[fafa]

Tomas for now but Fritz still has time to surpass him. I think he will win the USO or WB one day.

 

[Winner Sinner]

Who has more beautiful girlfriend?

Berdych

 

[mental midget]

sf/qf majors heavily favors berdych. i also believe during his time he was considered more of a marquee player, mentioned for stretches at least in the same breath as the top players more than taylor is...although he has been on the rise!

eye test, i think berdych is just...a bit better. and burst on scene w some big wins v elite players more than taylor's steady advance.

 

[nolefam_2024]

sf/qf majors heavily favors berdych. i also believe during his time he was considered more of a marquee player, mentioned for stretches at least in the same breath as the top players more than taylor is...although he has been on the rise!

eye test, i think berdych is just...a bit better. and burst on scene w some big wins v elite players more than taylor's steady advance.

Berdych is having better resume but I think his peak is vastly overrated. He was most fit guy for almost 10 years and has consistent results.

0 masters won on HC/Clay. 0 atp finals final. He is ok.
Fritz is not too far away but definitely behind .

 

[Aabye5]

Taylor can finally win one.

There TBerd might still have him beat

 

[Aabye5]

Both the same height - 6 ft 5" - is that why you are comparing them?

Both have good backhands. Berdych had the better serve.

 

[kevin qmto]

There TBerd might still have him beat

Idk man, berdych looks like a generic NPC in a video game.

 

[Aabye5]

Idk man, berdych looks like a generic NPC in a video game.

that's true. (And only the second harshest burn that I've seen on TTW today)

I see it as Jonas Brother vs Robocop (Peter Weller), at home edition

 

[Pheasant]

Berd's career achievements beat Fritz's by quite a bit. However, let's see where Fritz goes from here. Fritz hit a new level this year that is getting close to Berd's peak. I won't rule out Fritz's chances of passing Berd just yet. This isn't a fair comparison for career achievements, since Fritz is just entering his prime now(late bloomer like Stan).

 

[Aabye5]

Berd's career achievements beat Fritz's by quite a bit. However, let's see where Fritz goes from here. Fritz hit a new level this year that is getting close to Berd's peak. I won't rule out Fritz's chances of passing Berd just yet. This isn't a fair comparison for career achievements, since Fritz is just entering his prime now(late bloomer like Stan).

Feel like the Stan comparison might be a bit generous, but who knows?

 

[JoJoHackshow]

Berdych doesn't skip leg day, so he's the clear winner

 

[Racquet_smash]

Berdych by a solid countrymile.

 

[accidental]

For how consistent he was, I never felt that Berdych would actually win a slam. That was mainly due to having to go through the big 3 at their peak, but with Fritz I am still holding onto some hope that he can get hot for 2 weeks and break through.

 

[nolefam_2024]

For how consistent he was, I never felt that Berdych would actually win a slam. That was mainly due to having to go through the big 3 at their peak, but with Fritz I am still holding onto some hope that he can get hot for 2 weeks and break through.

And also because berdych sucked.

Maybe for 1/2 slams he was great.

 

[kishnabe]

Tomas would love this era of players instead of Peak Djokray and Prime Fedal.

 

[Angrybirdstar]

Berdych had the better serve.

you sure? Berdych's peak hard court ace % was 11.8 in '07, which Fritz outdid in every season from '19-24 barring '21 (peaking at 15.1% in '20). in Berdych's best 5 year span (Miami '10-15) he had a 10.7% general ace rate on hard and 9.4% ace rate against the top 20 on hard; Fritz from '20-24 has been 12.9 and 12.0 respectively.

 

[Racquet_smash]

you sure? Berdych's peak hard court ace % was 11.8 in '07, which Fritz outdid in every season from '19-24 barring '21 (peaking at 15.1% in '20). in Berdych's best 5 year span (Miami '10-15) he had a 10.7% general ace rate on hard and 9.4% ace rate against the top 20 on hard; Fritz from '20-24 has been 12.9 and 12.0 respectively.

There is a lot to a serve beyond ace percentage. For example unreturned serves is probably a much more useful statistic. In fact Fritz's serve is not particularly capable of damaging solid returners as his matches against Djokovic and Sinner show.

 

[Aabye5]

you sure? Berdych's peak hard court ace % was 11.8 in '07, which Fritz outdid in every season from '19-24 barring '21 (peaking at 15.1% in '20). in Berdych's best 5 year span (Miami '10-15) he had a 10.7% general ace rate on hard and 9.4% ace rate against the top 20 on hard; Fritz from '20-24 has been 12.9 and 12.0 respectively.

As @Racquet_smash points out, good serving isn't just about aces.

My thought is that a lot of the big servers now hit the ball harder, but don't have the accuracy. Zverev comes to mind and it's part of the reason he struggled with the yips for so long.

But in this case, I wouldn't mind seeing more data. Taylor's might have eclipsed TBerd by now.

 

[Aabye5]

Tomas would love this era of players instead of Peak Djokray and Prime Fedal.

Heck, even Oldfils was seeing some success before his legs finally gave out. The top tenners would make meatloaf of them.

One-hip Murray had winning records against most of them.

 

[Angrybirdstar]

For example unreturned serves is probably a much more useful statistic.

career 45.1% unreturned/1st for Fritz vs 41.2% for Berdych

In fact Fritz's serve is not particularly capable of damaging solid returners as his matches against Djokovic

Djokovic broke 28.1% of the time against Fritz on hard vs 33.5% of the time against Berdych on hard. not sure how to reasonably account for Djokovic's return being worse in the years he played Fritz but i wouldn't exactly say Berdych managed that either lol

My thought is that a lot of the big servers now hit the ball harder, but don't have the accuracy. Zverev comes to mind and it's part of the reason he struggled with the yips for so long.

But in this case, I wouldn't mind seeing more data.

Tennis Insights data has '24 Fritz's serve accuracy (not sure if 1st serves or all serves; average distance from center/sidelines for non-body serves) at 53 cm, with Zv*rev's 1st serve accuracy at 60 cm (i.e. significantly further from lines)

 

[Aabye5]

career 45.1% unreturned/1st for Fritz vs 41.2% for Berdych

Djokovic broke 28.1% of the time against Fritz on hard vs 33.5% of the time against Berdych on hard. not sure how to reasonably account for Djokovic's return being worse in the years he played Fritz but i wouldn't exactly say Berdych managed that either lol

Tennis Insights data has '24 Fritz's serve accuracy (not sure if 1st serves or all serves; average distance from center/sidelines for non-body serves) at 53 cm, with Zv*rev's 1st serve accuracy at 60 cm (i.e. significantly further from lines)

What was Pete's? Zero?

 

[nolefam_2024]

There is a lot to a serve beyond ace percentage. For example unreturned serves is probably a much more useful statistic. In fact Fritz's serve is not particularly capable of damaging solid returners as his matches against Djokovic and Sinner show.

Even then it's false.

Berdych had weak serve for his height. He is 6'5. He and delpo both had weaker serve for their heights. When Americans at that height were killing it, cilic was killing it. A lot of them.

 

[Angrybirdstar]

What was Pete's? Zero?

only started tracking that data in the past few years i think