Ten Best players since 2000?

Druss said:
Wrong! The OP said BEST, not most accomplished or most consistent, otherwise I would have had Murray at 5, and that's what my top 10 list reflects.

IMO Safin and Del Potro are better players in terms of level of play. When Safin is switched on and DelPo is in form they could take it to the Big 3. Whereas Murray could not do the same, for 8 yrs he could not match the Big 3, until recently when Fedal got washed up and Djoko slipped since RG. That said, I found it hard to separate Murray and 2001-05 Hewitt in terms of level of play.
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8 of Murray's 11 victories vs Fed came before Fed turned 30..
He's beaten djokdal 4 times at slams.

Dp's 2 slam victories vs fedalovic came in the same slam. Being in form 1 time is more akin to a fluke. Twice would be nice. Thrice would be indicative of a pattern.
 
If we're just looking at performance from 2000-present, I'd have a tough time placing Sampras ahead of Safin:

Sampras: 2 Major titles, 1 Masters Series title, no other titles, year-end #3 in 2000, year-end #10 in 2001, year-end #13 in 2002 (didn't play after U.S. Open), 2-4 against Safin (1-2 at Majors)

Safin: 2 Major titles, 5 Masters Series titles, 7 other titles, year-end #2 in 2000, year-end #11 in 2001 year-end #3 in 2002, year-end #4 in 2004, year-end #12 in 2005, 4-2 against Sampras (2-1 at Majors)​
 
buscemi said:
If we're just looking at performance from 2000-present, I'd have a tough time placing Sampras ahead of Safin:

Sampras: 2 Major titles, 1 Masters Series title, no other titles, year-end #3 in 2000, year-end #10 in 2001, year-end #13 in 2002 (didn't play after U.S. Open), 2-4 against Safin (1-2 at Majors)

Safin: 2 Major titles, 5 Masters Series titles, 7 other titles, year-end #2 in 2000, year-end #11 in 2001 year-end #3 in 2002, year-end #4 in 2004, year-end #12 in 2005, 4-2 against Sampras (2-1 at Majors)​
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Yeah, just thought about this. I think I just put Sampras in the top 10 because he's Sampras without much thought, but now I think you're right.

In that case I think Sampras ends up #11, only just. As you can see, my list is not only about major count. Djokovic is ahead of Nadal due to 5 WTF titles to 0 (and by extension Nadal's almost complete inability to play on indoor HC for an ATG), one extra YE #1 and something like 90 more weeks at #1.

Hewitt is ahead of Agassi and Wawrinka for much the same reasons, and Kuerten is ahead of Wawrinka for exactly that reason.

I also think Roddick is ever so slightly ahead of Safin just due to consistently making the WTF/YEC in his career, and making more major finals even though he won 1 less than Safin. He also finished as YE #1. So I agree that Sampras shouldn't go ahead of Safin, and by extension, not Roddick either.
 
batz said:
Welcome to the whacky world of the Federer fundamentalist. Where up is down, black is white and doubles achievements = singles achievements.

Roger doesn't have an Olympic Singles Gold. His doubles gold will never be a singles gold. You should just learn to accept this rather than make a fool of yourself arguing that they are the same thing. You'd be as well arguing that Roger also has a 100M sprint gold, a boxing gold, and a feckin synchronised swimming gold because hey - those golds are all the same right?
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Because none of those sports are tennis. All Olympic golds are equal. That is a fact. You play olympics for your country. So any medals, regardless of singles or mixed doubles or whatever are equal. None have any value above the other they all add up to the same medals total.
 
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It seems like most if not all on here agree on the top 3, also 4/5 with Agassi/Murray is 75% agreed on. 6-10 are generally all the same names, just shuffled around.


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SinjinCooper said:
Your #1 has been dead the entire century in question. And thanks to your #9 he's still not the worst inclusion on your list.
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ohhhhhhhhhhh sorry mate, i misunderstood the title :p and Nishikori isnt all that bad! a former world no.4 could wipe your ass with two golden sets in a row anyday!
 
NatF said:
Even worse :p

I feel Ferrero is underrated a bit in these discussions as well. Think he's borderline with Sampras.
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I revised my listing and slotted Safin in at #8. Means I decided to bounce Roddick in favour of Sampras unfortunately but am open to persuasion on that one! :cool:
 
Mainad said:
I revised my listing and slotted Safin in at #8. Means I decided to bounce Roddick in favour of Sampras unfortunately but am open to persuasion on that one! :cool:
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Roddick clearly deserves to be above Sampras I would say. One less slam is about the only thing Pete has on him. Roddick has 30 more titles, a year end #1 finish, many more years of consistent deep runs in the majors etc...
 
Djokovic :D:D:D
Federer :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
Murray- overall a much better player than Nadal
Nadal- His achievements are overrated and clay skewed
Wawrinka
JMDP
Hewitt
Cilic
Roddick
Safin
Nishikori
 
Druss said:
Wawrinka, Cilic and Roddick better than Safin? And Sushi in top 10?

Are you a comedian in real life?
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I've written extensively on Safin! He truly was the most gifted of players; just scrambled eggs between the ears! He had a big serve, could pound the ball from both wings, had touch, feel, with a killer volley! It was unfortunate he didn't win more, but no one wanted to play him from Sampras to Federer! He was the Ilie Nastase of this era, but had more power off the ground! :rolleyes: :p ;)
 
1. Federer
2. Nadal
3. on down, don't care :)

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Frost5541 said:
thats funny for a time, but its offensive. (im asian)
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Why would it be offensive? It has nothing to do about Asians. He holds up as well as a Sushi roll in your hand, hence the nickname. He shouldn't even be in this discussion anyways, Nalbandian is ten times better than Nishikori and he isn't even in top 15.
 
Steve0904 said:
Says the guy who puts Nadal ahead of Federer ;)
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Federer is only slightly ahead of Nadal, they're basically both at the same level. How on earth can you take someone's post seriously when there is Murray above Nadal? Or Cilic better than Safin LOL....It's like saying Chang is better than Sampras!
 
Rafa the King said:
I said it because he put Murray above Rafa. I think there are grounds to put Rafa above Rog, you might not agree but you can't say one is a fool for picking Rafa instead of Rog.
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I know why you said it, and yes putting Murray ahead of Rafa is ludicrous and much worse even than putting Nadal ahead of Federer, but neither ranking is the picture of objectivity either. It's fine if you put Nadal first, I don't care, but even other objective Nadal fans have ranked Federer first.

I shouldn't have to say this, but the rundown is not kind to Rafa outside of H2H (which is actually partly linked to overall slam/title tally in the first place) or things that have long been secondary accomplishments like Masters titles, OG, or DC.

Being aware of the fact that Federer has a ton more weeks and years at #1 and was much more dominant in general I don't know how anyone could put Nadal ahead of Federer. And I haven't even mentioned yet that Federer has a 3 slam lead, more titles at 3 of the 4 slams and a record number of YEC's while Nadal has yet to win even one.

Again, your opinion is your opinion, but given the facts, it reeks of extreme bias tbh.
 
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Druss said:
Federer is only slightly ahead of Nadal, they're basically both at the same level. How on earth can you take someone's post seriously when there is Murray above Nadal? Or Cilic better than Safin LOL....It's like saying Chang is better than Sampras!
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I wouldn't say only slightly. In this case the numbers don't lie. Federer leads basically every important metric by which ATG's have been judged for many years, and not just slightly. Nadal leads the H2H, but that only links into slam/title tally in most cases, and Federer leads both those tallies as well.
 
Steve0904 said:
I know why you said it, and yes putting Murray ahead of Rafa is ludicrous and much worse even than putting Nadal ahead of Federer, but neither ranking is the picture of objectivity either. It's fine if you put Nadal first, but even other objective Nadal fans have ranked Federer first.

I shouldn't have to say this, but the rundown is not kind to Rafa outside of H2H (which is actually partly linked to overall slam/title tally in the first place) or things that have long been secondary accomplishments like Masters titles, OG, or DC.

Being aware of the fact that Federer has a ton more weeks and years at #1 and was much more dominant in general I don't know how anyone could put Nadal ahead of Federer. And I haven't even mentioned yet that Federer has a 3 slam lead, more titles at 3 of the 4 slams and a record number of YEC's while Nadal has yet to win even one.

Again, your opinion is your opinion, but given the facts, it reeks of extreme bias tbh.
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Ofcourse it's biased. Roger wins the number games no doubt but I thought the question who I found to be greater and I chose Rafa because I do. Roger has the most impressive achievements and is probably the most beautiful/talented player I've ever seen.
 
Steve0904 said:
I wouldn't say only slightly. In this case the numbers don't lie. Federer leads basically every important metric by which ATG's have been judged for many years, and not just slightly. Nadal leads the H2H, but that only links into slam/title tally in most cases, and Federer leads both those tallies as well.
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I know mate, you don't need to convince me, I'm one of Federer's biggest fans.....but they are both same tier.
 
Druss said:
Why would it be offensive? It has nothing to do about Asians. He holds up as well as a Sushi roll in your hand, hence the nickname. He shouldn't even be in this discussion anyways, Nalbandian is ten times better than Nishikori and he isn't even in top 15.
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with all due respect, im just laughing my ass of rn. i would LOVEEEEEE it see any of you try to topple him! a former no4 cant be underrated. i may get banned but MOST of you guys in this forum are complete and utter ********s.

Yall cant take a game off him and youre talking bs. there are some cool people here but people like you and leed and sureshs just ****ing disgust me. im done with tt for a lonngggg time
 
Frost5541 said:
with all due respect, im just laughing my ass of rn. i would LOVEEEEEE it see any of you try to topple him! a former no4 cant be underrated. i may get banned but MOST of you guys in this forum are complete and utter ********s.[/B]

Yall cant take a game off him and youre talking bs. there are some cool people here but people like you and leed and sureshs just ****ing disgust me. im done with tt for a lonngggg time
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You're missing the point. The point being that Nishikori does not belong in any top 10 players of the 2000's list regardless of fan bias. The fact that he'd destroy anyone on this forum in a tennis match is completely and utterly irrelevant.
 
Everybody above Nishikori in the ATP standings could be vaporized tomorrow, and Nishikori would still end his career with no slams.

He belongs next to Blake, Henman, Tsonga, Schuettler, Monfils, and Robredo on lists of greats. He's Ferrer with less grit. Berdych with less consistency.
 
Steve0904 said:
You're missing the point. The point being that Nishikori does not belong in any top 10 players of the 2000's list regardless of fan bias. The fact that he'd destroy anyone on this forum in a tennis match is completely and utterly irrelevant.
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but yall treat him like hes useless. smh
 
SinjinCooper said:
Everybody above Nishikori in the ATP standings could be vaporized tomorrow, and Nishikori would still end his career with no slams.

He belongs next to Blake, Henman, Tsonga, Schuettler, Monfils, and Robredo on lists of greats. He's Ferrer with less grit. Berdych with less consistency.
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i would agree. just most of yall just treat him like trash. and i hate the degenerate comments of him being likened to sushi. (EXTREMELY OFFENSIVE TO AN ASIAN, cuz we've been stereotyped a lot)
 
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