Tennis Abstract analyzes the weakness of the 2020 Cincinnati Masters, but unwittingly proves that the Paris Masters is a total joke

FrontHeadlock

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Lmao seven of the 10 weakest Masters since 1990 have taken place at the Paris Masters!

Reminder, Djoker has 5 titles there. Fed, Nadal and Murray have a combined 2 because nobody cares about it.

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Tennis is back, but plenty of top players are still at home–or crashing out in the early rounds of their first tournament in months. While the ATP “Cincinnati” Masters event delivered the expected winner in Novak Djokovic, the Serb never had to face a top-ten opponent. The same was true of Victoria Azarenka, who won the WTA Premier tournament with the benefit of Naomi Osaka’s withdrawal in the final round, and without playing a top-tenner on her way there.

The tennis world’s “asterisk” talk has mostly focused on the US Open, since most people care about slams and don’t care about anything else. But judging from these easy paths to the two Cincinnati titles, should we be talking asterisk about the event just passed?

Novak’s 35th, but not (quite) his easiest

Last week, I explained why I thought the asterisk talk was premature, if not wrong. The field doesn’t matter, because the player who wins the title faces only a handful of players. The presence of, say, Rafael Nadal doesn’t have much to do with the difficulty of winning the title unless the eventual winner has to go through Rafa. If the champion’s opponents are very good, the path to the title is hard; if they are relatively weak, the path to the title is easy. Keep in mind I’m using the terms “good” and “weak” in theoretical terms. On paper, Djokovic was fortunate that his semi-final and final opponents were ranked 12th and 30th, respectively, and his title path was “easy.” As it happened, he was forced to work hard for both wins.

We now know that the title paths of the Cincinnati champions were relatively easy. But just how weak were they?

I calculate the difficulty of a path-to-the-title by determining the probability that the average Masters champion on that surface would beat the opponents that the champion faced. By using the “average Masters champion,” we are taking the skill level of the actual champ out of the equation, and looking only at the quality of his opposition. The resulting numbers vary wildly, from 2.5%–the odds that a typical Masters champion would have beaten the players that Jo Wilfried Tsonga defeated to win the 2014 Canada Masters–to 61.2%–the chances that an average titlist would have beaten the players that confronted Nikolay Davydenko at the 2006 Paris Masters.

Novak’s number this week was 40.5%. In other words, an average hard-court Masters champion would have a four-in-ten shot at beating the five guys that fate threw in Djokovic’s path. That’s the 11th easiest Masters title since 1990:

Title Odds Tournament Winner
61.2% 2006 Paris Nikolay Davydenko
50.5% 2012 Paris David Ferrer
49.8% 2000 Paris Marat Safin
48.3% 2004 Paris Marat Safin
47.0% 1999 Paris Andre Agassi
44.5% 2013 Shanghai Novak Djokovic
43.3% 2002 Madrid Andre Agassi
42.9% 2005 Paris Tomas Berdych
41.4% 2009 Canada Andy Murray
41.3% 2017 Paris Jack Sock
40.5% 2020 Cincinnati Novak Djokovic
39.6% 2011 Shanghai Andy Murray
39.1% 2019 Canada Rafael Nadal
37.9% 2008 Rome Novak Djokovic
36.2% 2007 Cincinnati Roger Federer

Unless we’re prepared to put a permanent asterisk next to the Paris Masters, we should hold off on cheapening this year’s Cincinnati title. Surprisingly, Djokovic’s path was even easier at the 2013 Shanghai Masters. He had to face two top-ten opponents in the final rounds (Tsonga and Juan Martin del Potro), but Elo didn’t think that highly of them at the time.
 
Cincy and Rome 2020 have diminished the “big titles” stat and made it utterly irrelevant.

there’s slams, YEC and other titles (250/500/1000)
 

AnOctorokForDinner

Talk Tennis Guru
elo not reflecting true difficulty once again.

2013 Shanghai definitely far too high, Delpo fought really well despite getting pasted out of the blocks.

2017 Paris should be way up, Safin facing Hewitt/Philippoussis alone makes his runs tougher than that, Sock basically faced Isner and that's it.

2009 Canada being that high is also fanciful, the only masters ever iirc when all top 8 seeds made QF. Murray just happened to get the lowest seed (#8 Davydenko, #7 Tsonga, #6 del Potro) because Fedalovic all contrived to lose before him.
 

FrontHeadlock

Hall of Fame
elo not reflecting true difficulty once again.

2013 Shanghai definitely far too high, Delpo fought really well despite getting pasted out of the blocks.

2017 Paris should be way up, Safin facing Hewitt/Philippoussis alone makes his runs tougher than that, Sock basically faced Isner and that's it.

2009 Canada being that high is also fanciful, the only masters ever iirc when all top 8 seeds made QF. Murray just happened to get the lowest seed (#8 Davydenko, #7 Tsonga, #6 del Potro) because Fedalovic all contrived to lose before him.

I totally agree, but hopefully we can all recognize that Paris has had some really bad draws and is an exceptionally weak tournament given its points.
 

ForehandCross

G.O.A.T.
Can you find the same rating for Big3's Slams?
Hmm I know what you are implying, but even then Federer's 2012 WB(Murray Djokovic back to back),2017 AO(Berdych ,Nishikori,Wawrinka,Nadal) , 2007 USO (3 top 5 players Back to back) 2008 USO(well performing )Djokorray back to back will rank in top 15 , probably defeating your purpose.

If we include other tournaments, none will be higher than 2010 WTF.

Federer went through Ferrer,Soderling,Murray,Djokovic,Nadal.

Again defeating your premise.
 

topher

Hall of Fame
It appears all but one of the 15 weakest Masters runs were in the 2nd half of the season (i.e. after Wimbledon). 10 of the 15 are from the final 2 masters slots of the year.

I’d posit this is the ATP tour schedule being overloaded/overbearing and players being too worn out by the 2nd half.
 

topher

Hall of Fame
I have to say, I'm reasonably surprised that Shanghai isn't on the list more.

The prize money is the 2nd highest behind Indian Wells last I checked, that may add some motivation.

While the fans don’t care, Chinese oligarchs can spare a few million to make international players play along and pretend there’s no one committing ethnic genocide there. It’s pretty telling none of the “woke” tennis players or journalists have made a fuss about their serious human rights abuses.
 

FrontHeadlock

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It appears all but one of the 15 weakest Masters runs were in the 2nd half of the season (i.e. after Wimbledon). 10 of the 15 are from the final 2 masters slots of the year.

I’d posit this is the ATP tour schedule being overloaded/overbearing and players being too worn out by the 2nd half.

Correct, and this is one of my Major issues with Shanghai/Paris. The *only* people who tend to care about them are (i) those who underperformed during the year and (ii) those who are gunning for YE #1. Most years Djoker fell into one or both categories.
 

MadariKatu

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Hmm I know what you are implying, but even then Federer's 2012 WB(Murray Djokovic back to back),2017 AO(Berdych ,Nishikori,Wawrinka,Nadal) , 2007 USO (3 top 5 players Back to back) 2008 USO(well performing )Djokorray back to back will rank in top 15 , probably defeating your purpose.

If we include other tournaments, none will be higher than 2010 WTF.

Federer went through Ferrer,Soderling,Murray,Djokovic,Nadal.

Again defeating your premise.
At the top should be also Nalbandian's Madrid run in 2007: Berdych (9) / Del Potro (WC, baby Delpo, but still) / Nadal (2) / Djokovic (3) / Federer (1).
Only time ever that the big3 were beaten back to back to back.
 

FrontHeadlock

Hall of Fame
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the editions Djokovic won aren't in that list?

What is your point? Remember these are the alleged 15 *weakest* paths to the title in 30 years of Masters tournaments, or ~270 tournaments, and 7 out of the top 10 are from one event: Paris. Based on a random distribution we'd expect 1-2 Paris Masters on the list of the 10 weakest paths. 7 is an outrageous number and suggests that the top players simply don't care about it.

Are you suggesting that the editions Djokovic won just so happened to be stronger than average Masters? Not being in the top 15 weakest out of almost 300 events isn't exactly a ringing endorsement.
 

Third Serve

Talk Tennis Guru
Paris is pretty weak but Djokovic is also really good there even though his draws were easy. I think he’d still win most of his titles even if Paris had “normal” competition. Probably not 2019 though.
 

Visionary

Hall of Fame
In my unbiased opinion, Cinci 2020/2021 wasn't as strong as Paris Masters. Close to the end of the season, I could see the players' interest in. What I'd like to see is the ticket sales as I feel there was a large audience in Paris too.
 

Neptune

Hall of Fame
Insane, Murdererafa combined 1-8 against top5 at Paris Bercy, so Fedal combined only one Golden Masters.

Top5 Weight at 15.25% and Top10 Weight at 35.59%—far stronger than Fedal's norm. Numbers should keep people honest.

Paris Ms​
vs Top5​
T5 Weight​
vs Top10​
T10 Weight​
vs T11+​
T11+ Weight​
vs All​
Nole
9 (9-0) 100%
15.25%
21 (20-1) 95.24%
35.59%
38 (30-8) 78.95%
64.41%
59 (50-9) 84.75%
Fed​
4 (1-3) 25%​
11.76%​
8 (4-4) 50%​
23.53%​
26 (19-7) 73.08%​
76.47%​
34 (23-11) 67.65%​
Rafa​
3 (0-3) 0%​
10.34%​
7 (2-5) 28.57%​
24.14%​
22 (20-2) 90.91%​
75.86%​
29 (22-7) 75.86%​
Mury​
2 (0-2) 0%​
6.06%​
6 (2-4) 33.33%​
18.18%​
27 (19-8) 70.37%​
81.82%​
33 (21-12) 63.64%​
 
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