oserver

Professional
No its obvious and no need to mention heel pad. Its clear the heel pad is on the same bevel as index knuckle so its not necessary to mention heel pad specifically in this example since anything said about the index knuckle applies to the heel pad

Your own link shows heel pad on the same bevel as the index knuckle for the western fh and the eastern bh grip...

The main concept is that grips described as fh grips have corresponding bh grips and one can describe the other.

That shows that you don't have any teaching experiences. Grip variations are most effected by the position of the heel pad, not whether the index finger is extended or not. Many player's grip does not have identical heel pad/index knuckle positions (on the opposite side of the handle).

Are you still insisting to describe a forehand grip using a backhand grip to you students (if someone ask you to teach) ?
 
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Power Player

Bionic Poster
90% of the guys here with “teaching experience” appear to be bats—t crazy, so I wouldn’t hang my hat on that title if I was you.
 

Shroud

Talk Tennis Guru
That shows that you don't have any teaching experiences. Grip variations are most effected by the position of the heel pad, not whether the index finger is extended or not. Many player's grip does not have identical heel pad/index knuckle positions (on the opposite side of the handle).

No it doesnt. I have enough coaching experience to know not to teach people the waiters tray serve! And you either didnt understand what I wrote or dont understand how grips work. Its not just the index finger extending. Its the whole hand spreading out with a pistol grip. What you are missing is that that spreading of the fingers moves the heel pad. Any talk of an index knuckle location and the difference between hammer and pistol implies a heelpad position. Thats why good coaches focus on the index knuckle and NOT the heelpad. Here is a great vid that says just that at around 1:20 or so:


Are you still insisting to describe a forehand grip using a backhand grip to you students (if someone ask you to teach) ?

Sure especially if they want a one handed bh and I think they can hit with the same grip as their fh. And its not just me. Refering to the bh grip by way of the fh grip is actually a PRO tip for finding the eastern and sw bh grips on this site:

http://www.tennisnation.com/lessons-classes/ultimate-tennis-grip-system-guide/

Its best at this point not to critize posters coaching experience since yours is sketchy on the basics.
 

oserver

Professional
No it doesnt. I have enough coaching experience to know not to teach people the waiters tray serve! And you either didnt understand what I wrote or dont understand how grips work. Its not just the index finger extending. Its the whole hand spreading out with a pistol grip. What you are missing is that that spreading of the fingers moves the heel pad. Any talk of an index knuckle location and the difference between hammer and pistol implies a heelpad position. Thats why good coaches focus on the index knuckle and NOT the heelpad. Here is a great vid that says just that at around 1:20 or so:


Sure especially if they want a one handed bh and I think they can hit with the same grip as their fh. And its not just me. Refering to the bh grip by way of the fh grip is actually a PRO tip for finding the eastern and sw bh grips on this site:

http://www.tennisnation.com/lessons-classes/ultimate-tennis-grip-system-guide/

Its best at this point not to critize posters coaching experience since yours is sketchy on the basics.

If I don't mention heel pad, you'll just stretching out the index finger to vary your grip, totally ignorant about more important way to adjust the grip even the index knuckle is staying at the same place:(.
 

Shroud

Talk Tennis Guru
If I don't mention heel pad, you'll just stretching out the index finger to vary your grip, totally ignorant about more important way to adjust the grip even the index knuckle is staying at the same place:(.
As I stated in that example the difference between pistol and hammer is more than stretching out the index finger. The whole hand moves and so does the heel pad. The heel pad location is implied and is why its rarely mentioned. And why Florian specifically says the heel pad doesnt matter- if you get the index knuckle right in that vid I showed.

Heel pad is just not as important as the index knuckle.

No mention of the heelpad:
http://mountainghosttennis.com/tennisgrips.html

Mentioned once but never to define a grip. Because he specifies a pistol grip the heel pad location is a given:
https://youtu.be/cJCyMldkGM8

This one explains the heelpad position and even gives an example where the heel pad is different from text book but uses the base knuckle always to define the grip. Never the heelpad:

https://youtu.be/hDwDtIta86o

And this one you apparently didn't watch or didnt understand where he says the index knuckle is the most important and you dont have to worry about the heelpad:

https://youtu.be/eRCWkQfPGvg
 
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