Tennis better or worse without nadal?

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Is tennis better or worse without nadal

  1. better without ralph

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  2. worse without him

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  1. tennisbuck

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    Just curious.. would like to see how many people actually think its better without him.
     
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  2. Prisoner of Birth

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    Worse. Anybody who says otherwise is a hater. I know this is a sweeping statement I'm making but it's no less true because of it.
     
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  3. Clarky21

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    Do you think you're going to get non biased answers here? You may as well post this over at MTF for how fair this is going to be.
     
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  4. OrangePower

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    Agreed. And I'm not really a Rafa fan in terms of his style of play.
     
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  5. slowfox

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    Neither. No player is above the game itself. Tennis will always be tennis.
     
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  6. Ellipses

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    Losing a top player is never good for the sport.

    If you mean more play style wise, there is no good or bad. Only different. I can't say I care too much about his style personally, but lots of people enjoying watching him play. There's no "real" tennis or any such nonsense. Your mileage may vary, and that's all there is to it.
     
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  7. FedererDropShot

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    I'd rather have Rafa than Jokevic

    And I'm saying this as a Federer fan.
     
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  8. Timbo's hopeless slice

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    worse, no question.. he's a fabulous player, just as Roger is..

    why do people seem to feel the need to like one or the other when they are both so obviously awesome?

    ppl are so strange
     
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  9. Crisstti

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    Haters unusually silent?, half have voted "better" but only posts from people who votes "worse". Odd.

    Anyway, it's obviously worse, like it'd be when any top player isn't playing. Not the same as saying a player is greater than the game.
     
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  10. vive le beau jeu !

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    it's a lot better without the nadal.




    ... and i say this as a nadal hater ! :)
     
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  11. malbaker86

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    If any of the top players were out of a GS tournament, tennis suffers from a potential of a top 4 semi standpoint. It's just missing that "it"
     
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    How anyone can say its better without him is beyond me. 2nd most popular player in the sport, offers intriguing match ups with other players even if you don't like him personally.
     
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    Agreed.

    I like seeing Nadal play on a verity of surfaces and against different players. Hopefully he'll make it for the other slams and some of the other big tournaments.
     
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  14. dudeski

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    I agree but at the same time I also miss seeing Nadal lose. I propose a win win scenario where Nadal comes back and goes onto a record breaking losing streak until he finally decided to retire after losing couple dozen matches in the row.
     
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  15. dafinch

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    Well, I don't like lying, injury faking, players who almost always have an alibi when they lose-I'm "funny" that way.
     
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  16. dudeski

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    What do you think about my win-win proposal?
     
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    I prefer Nadal playing and receiving beat downs.
     
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  18. dafinch

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    In general, I likee, but it's like Captain Barbosa said in "Pirates of the Caribbean," people are easy to search when they're dead, and cheating toads may be very unlikely to win if they play, but not as unlikely as them not playing at all...
     
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    Its Nadal, and don't forget it!
     
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    excited to finally see nadal come back next month, and see how he recuperates. it certainly has been different without him, but i got used to the idea of him not being around for a while. and the tour was doing well to provide good matches and results in his absence.

    nadal coming back is like finding $10 in an old pair of pants.
     
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  21. dudeski

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    Nadal coming back is like a toilet that just won't flush.
     
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    that too, i'm sure
     
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  23. Crisstti

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    Well, here they are, lol.

    This thread is an interesting way of seeing how many haters are there here.
     
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  24. JustBob

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    better = 21
    worse = 18

    More proof that this forum is ********.
     
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  25. Goosehead

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    be good to have him back..hope it goes ok, vamos :)
     
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    well the poll results seem almost laughable, as expected due to the polarizing opinions regarding nadal. nadal's presence was certainly missed, and many of us eagerly anticipate his return. but it's not to say tennis became an abyss while he was gone. wimbledon, the USO, and the WTF were pretty special this year as far as history and records go.

    sure, it would have been ideal if nadal was in those events fighting to win, but i don't think they would have been as memorable or significant in the history books if he were to take the place of djokovic, federer, or murray in any of those finals.
     
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  27. vive le beau jeu !

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    amazingly accurate and subtle image ! :-D
     
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  28. tennisbuck

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    cant believe this poll is turning out to have more votes for better without him.... either he has a lot of haters or people are just giving that answer to make fed fans mad
     
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    worse .........

    he is going to break some record after his return
     
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    Tennis is better off with Nadal in terms of money sponsors ratings etc. Thats for sure. I find rafas absence a tragedy for him, his fans and the game. However me personally, i enjoy ferrer's quarter very much. I enjoy the attacking tennis and the fewer time wasting. I sure dont enjoy it less without Nadal. Whether That makes me a hater is up to you but i just dont like watching the Guy play (not even against Rosol)
     
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    I don't think some people on this forum are even tennis fans, of course it's worse without him. Is his absence the end of the world? Of course not. Will tennis continue without him? Yes. That doesn't mean that his presence isn't missed or that he isn't an important part of the sport.
     
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    I had to skip another final today. Do we get our sport back soon?
     
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    Ballkids would probably like to see him gone. He demands two towels and doesnt look at them when throwing it back. One of the rudest on tour to them

    If someone has your sweaty butt infested towel, at least hand it back
     
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  35. donquijote

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    I think people wouldn't care as much as they do about Federer. I was watching Nadal-Tsitsipas match today at a sports bar and there was not a single person cheering for Nadal. When Tsistsipas was hitting winners, there was an eruption every time. We're talking about a 20 yo newcomer vs 17 time GS champion here. People in general doesn't find Nadal entertaining.
     
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    He would have retired by now, if the Surfaces were like the 90's.
     
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    It's called 2015
     
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    People also voted Trump into office soooo... ;)
     
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    Anytime you get one of the GOATs in a sport playing at a high level its soooo much better for the sport. Look at Tiger Woods today at the PGA Championship for example, even though he didn't win it all it was still sooo much more interesting with him in contention.
     
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    Tennis would have been played faster without him and there would be no shot clock.
     
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    It's not unusual to see ppl root for the underdog/new blood in any sport. Everyone's been rooting against the Warriors and LeBron from making the finals over the past like 2 years now, and legit everyone outside of Massachusetts hates Tom Brady and the Patriots, and will root for any random team out there to knock them down. Overall, it's very normal in sports that unless you're a fan of the powerhouse team/player, everyone would usually want to see the underdog pull through over the Goliath continuing to dominate
     
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    I think Nadal is much better for the sport then Federer. I am not a Nadal diehard but realistically and in terms of context, I am sorry he does no dance around like a ballerina but I think his image and throwout is more authentic and he is not a hypermarketing machine like Federer.
    Federer is not good for the sport because everything revolves around him, Nadal does not have that mindset. Nadal is about winning but not trying to be a big star or take someone else's shine. He brings out the best in his opponents.
     
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  43. FedFosterWallace

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    Nadal exists as we know him because of Federer.

    Think that through. No Federer = No Nadal.
     
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  44. donquijote

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    Great anal-ogy. Congratulations.
     
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  45. Elektra

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    Nadal would've happened regardless. Nadal is unique and he is his own person. Nadal brought intensity and gladiator mentality to the sport since Borg and you can't replicate that. Not many people care about the years of tennis when Agassi after retired except Federer fans. It boomed when Nadal started to come into his own around 2007. Nadal shook up the tennis world and made it more popular and gave them their golden age. It acclerated with Djokovic coming on board.

    Fedal=Made money and made Federer's legacy better and stamped in tennis history.

    Nadal rivilary has made Djokovic happened and a legend.

    Nadal is overall better for the sport,he just brings out the best of his opponents.
     
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    Classic! Nobody cared about the peak years of the greatest player in the sport's history. Probably done here, no?
     
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    Rafa means more to the game than maestro
     
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    LOL no lie, I just read this post with Toni's voice in my head due to the profile pic. :D:cool:
     
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    Tennis is better with any of all the time greats playing and playing at a high level... Fed, Rafa, Novak etc.

    Anyone who says otherwise is a troll and/or a hater and doesn't truly love the game.
     
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  50. FedFosterWallace

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    Your point's taken.

    But consider the fact that hatred brought a lot of these fans who "don't truly love the game" on board in the first place.
     
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