Tennis Elbow No More

tennisnut1

Semi-Pro
All, I have cured my tennis elbow for the past 2 years by changing rackets. Angell rackets are the holy grail for tennis elbow sufferers. I did not stop playing tennis either, and in 3 months my tennis elbow was totally healed. Angell rackets are completely foam filled and absorbs all of the vibration from hitting. So if you have tennis elbow, you just need to buy an Angell racket. They are only sold on-line and come in all possible sizes. Good luck to all of.
 

tennisnut1

Semi-Pro
How extensive was your tennis elbow? It ranges per the individual
I actually had golfers elbow, once I started using an arm wrap and got a green Flex bar, it didn't get any worse, but just stayed the same. I can tell you that it hurt and was much worse after playing. Isn't it worth a try to get rid of it for $200? Probably for really bad ones, rest for a few months and then start back with an Angell racket. I am just trying to get the word out, the rackets are magical. Good luck.
 

scotus

G.O.A.T.
All, I have cured my tennis elbow for the past 2 years by changing rackets. Angell rackets are the holy grail for tennis elbow sufferers. I did not stop playing tennis either, and in 3 months my tennis elbow was totally healed. Angell rackets are completely foam filled and absorbs all of the vibration from hitting. So if you have tennis elbow, you just need to buy an Angell racket. They are only sold on-line and come in all possible sizes. Good luck to all of.

Sorry to disagree, but I tried several types of Angell (back when it was called Vantage) for TE. Did not help.

In fact, I found racquets such as Prince EXO3 Tour far superior in terms of arm comfort.
 

tennisnut1

Semi-Pro
Sorry to disagree, but I tried several types of Angell (back when it was called Vantage) for TE. Did not help.

In fact, I found racquets such as Prince EXO3 Tour far superior in terms of arm comfort.
Sorry it didn't work for you, guess I'm one of the lucky ones.
 

Ronaldo

Bionic Poster
All, I have cured my tennis elbow for the past 2 years by changing rackets. Angell rackets are the holy grail for tennis elbow sufferers. I did not stop playing tennis either, and in 3 months my tennis elbow was totally healed. Angell rackets are completely foam filled and absorbs all of the vibration from hitting. So if you have tennis elbow, you just need to buy an Angell racket. They are only sold on-line and come in all possible sizes. Good luck to all of.
Babolat has a poly just you. To bring back those memories of a day gone by.
 

tennisnut1

Semi-Pro
Babolat has a poly just you. To bring back those memories of a day gone by.
Ah, I actually have used multi's for many years, so no issue there. Poly's can also lead to arm problems. Today's rackets put alot of vibration on the arm due to their hollow design. I wish that wasn't the case because I loved my other rackets, but just couldn't keep playing with them due to my arm issues. I had read about the magic of Angell rackets for many years and just decided to bite the bullet and try it. Like I said, I think this could be a viable solution for a large group of arm sufferers. Just my 2 cents, thanks.
 

Curious

G.O.A.T.
Ah, I actually have used multi's for many years, so no issue there. Poly's can also lead to arm problems. Today's rackets put alot of vibration on the arm due to their hollow design. I wish that wasn't the case because I loved my other rackets, but just couldn't keep playing with them due to my arm issues. I had read about the magic of Angell rackets for many years and just decided to bite the bullet and try it. Like I said, I think this could be a viable solution for a large group of arm sufferers. Just my 2 cents, thanks.

What's the flex rate of those rackets? I wonder if my Prince tour 100 is hollow or solid, it's definitely very flexible.
 

scotus

G.O.A.T.
I didn't realize that, must have been back in the day, don't think any do now, right?

Look for heavier racquets to be foam-filled. It's cheaper to fill the space with foam than put more graphite, Kevlar, or other good stuff in the frame.

Donnays fill their frames with some proprietary material.

But foam or solid core is just one of many factors that make a frame arm-friendly. In fact, one of the most arm-friendly frames I have used was completely hollow.
 

tennisnut1

Semi-Pro
Look for heavier racquets to be foam-filled. It's cheaper to fill the space with foam than put more graphite, Kevlar, or other good stuff in the frame.

Donnays fill their frames with some proprietary material.
I remember seeing something about xenecore from Donnay, but the rackets don't seem to be carried anymore.
 

tennisnut1

Semi-Pro
No longer at TW. Donnay sells through their own website, I believe. Not the most comfortable frames, either.
I'm sure I'll be sticking with the Angell frames for a long time. I only hope that they can do some advertising and get the word out to the public, only time will tell.
 

scotus

G.O.A.T.
I'm sure I'll be sticking with the Angell frames for a long time. I only hope that they can do some advertising and get the word out to the public, only time will tell.

If you are able to wield a POG oversize (same head size, just heavier), I can assure you that the POG will be more arm-friendly than your Angell.
 

tennisnut1

Semi-Pro
If you are able to wield a POG oversize (same head size, just heavier), I can assure you that the POG will be more arm-friendly than your Angell.
I never used Prince rackets. Head, Yonex, Wilson, Kenex, Volkl. My Angel is at 10.8 oz which is perfect. I had my head instinct at 11 oz which was OK. The Angell being foam filled has more mass and a higher swing weight, so maxing out at 10.8 is as heavy as I can go.
 

scotus

G.O.A.T.
I never used Prince rackets. Head, Yonex, Wilson, Kenex, Volkl. My Angel is at 10.8 oz which is perfect. I had my head instinct at 11 oz which was OK. The Angell being foam filled has more mass and a higher swing weight, so maxing out at 10.8 is as heavy as I can go.

Your Instinct was most likely an extended racquet, so it would have had a fairly high swing weight and the extra torque from the extended length would have put more stress on your elbow. Angells, of course, are famous for having much higher swing weight than the length would suggest.

At any rate, finding racquets that are more arm-friendly than the Instinct is really easy.
 

tennisnut1

Semi-Pro
Your Instinct was most likely an extended racquet, so it would have had a fairly high swing weight and the extra torque from the extended length would have put more stress on your elbow. Angells, of course, are famous for having much higher swing weight than the length would suggest.

At any rate, finding racquets that are more arm-friendly than the Instinct is really easy.
Instinct was 27 inches, flex beam, good blend of power and feel, but totally messed up my arm. Sold all 3 on TW for $100.
 

tennisnut1

Semi-Pro
Nut, go kick some young guy butt ... do it for the ttw seniors. I want some vicarious victories... hell, I want hardware.
Ha, I'll be 63 in July my man, first tournament is April 6th and I'm out to beat the #1 player in the state who beat me 3 times last year. I hope he enters the event so I can show him some love baby
 

Dso

Semi-Pro
There are lots of ways to rid tennis elbow. Sometimes tweaking your racquet set up is all it takes. I'm glad the new racquet helped out the OP. Maybe someday I'll get to try one.
 

ByeByePoly

G.O.A.T.
There are lots of ways to rid tennis elbow. Sometimes tweaking your racquet set up is all it takes. I'm glad the new racquet helped out the OP. Maybe someday I'll get to try one.

How is your arm doing? You sounded like your cure would be no frisbee.
 

HouTex

Rookie
When the racquet cured the TE, were you in constant pain even when you were not playing? Or was the pain only when you played?

In my case of TE it was so bad the pain was constant and worse when I moved my wrist and fingers in a certain way. I couldn't even make a practice backhand or a practice serve (without hitting a ball) without pain. It took 20 months of rehab and no play to finally heal. There's no way playing with any racquet would have cured it. That said, I tested several racquets as I was making my comeback and I settled on the Prince EXO3 and it is clearly more arm friendly than my Wilsons. I liked the Volkl VI Classic too.
 

Dso

Semi-Pro
How is your arm doing? You sounded like your cure would be no frisbee.

Lmao. That was good! No frisbee for me!

Ironically my arm has been feeling better. The bicep tendon seems to be "holding on" and GE seems to be better for sure. Not gone but almost. TE is virtually gone gone as well. I think my arm was hurting in so many places I thought it was going to fall off. It's amazing how much confidence you lose when you can't hit with conviction. That's coming back.

Bottom line- racquet set up can help imo. Now can I say the injuries would just have went away while still playing without changing racquet? No. But I'm 99% sure I'd be in major pain still. Season is winding down. I'll probably take some time off to let all my body parts to recover. At least that what I'm saying now. Lol
 

Dso

Semi-Pro
When the racquet cured the TE, were you in constant pain even when you were not playing? Or was the pain only when you played?

In my case of TE it was so bad the pain was constant and worse when I moved my wrist and fingers in a certain way. I couldn't even make a practice backhand or a practice serve (without hitting a ball) without pain. It took 20 months of rehab and no play to finally heal. There's no way playing with any racquet would have cured it. That said, I tested several racquets as I was making my comeback and I settled on the Prince EXO3 and it is clearly more arm friendly than my Wilsons. I liked the Volkl VI Classic too.

Not sure if you are asking me or OP but I'll tell you what happened to me.

I was never in constant pain like that. Sure occasional movements hurt. Lifting or moving my hand in certain ways hurt but it was not excruciating. I was able to play through it. Except for a short period of time I was was able to play with mostly limited pain. However the "recovery" didn't start till I switched racquet and set up and got some PT. I only went to about 8 PT sessions and imo the most important thing was stretching and massages. Exercises seem to cause more pain. To this day I still don't do any more wrist curls, flex bar work, etc. I will work on resistance exercises when I fell almost 100%- hopefully this summer.

Question: How in god's name did you get so bad in the first place? Sounds like you had it REAL bad. Doing ok now?
 

ByeByePoly

G.O.A.T.
Lmao. That was good! No frisbee for me!

Ironically my arm has been feeling better. The bicep tendon seems to be "holding on" and GE seems to be better for sure. Not gone but almost. TE is virtually gone gone as well. I think my arm was hurting in so many places I thought it was going to fall off. It's amazing how much confidence you lose when you can't hit with conviction. That's coming back.

Bottom line- racquet set up can help imo. Now can I say the injuries would just have went away while still playing without changing racquet? No. But I'm 99% sure I'd be in major pain still. Season is winding down. I'll probably take some time off to let all my body parts to recover. At least that what I'm saying now. Lol

Glad your arm feels better. I had forgot about your bicep issue. Season winding down? Spring and summer just starting.
 
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HouTex

Rookie
Not sure if you are asking me or OP but I'll tell you what happened to me.

I was never in constant pain like that. Sure occasional movements hurt. Lifting or moving my hand in certain ways hurt but it was not excruciating. I was able to play through it. Except for a short period of time I was was able to play with mostly limited pain. However the "recovery" didn't start till I switched racquet and set up and got some PT. I only went to about 8 PT sessions and imo the most important thing was stretching and massages. Exercises seem to cause more pain. To this day I still don't do any more wrist curls, flex bar work, etc. I will work on resistance exercises when I fell almost 100%- hopefully this summer.

Question: How in god's name did you get so bad in the first place? Sounds like you had it REAL bad. Doing ok now?

Yes, doing fine now. The MRI showed the damage. I'm not sure how it got so bad. I started playing a lot of tennis and golf and and when I thought I could play through it I played in a tournament and then it was full blown. If I ever get it again I'm resting it at the first sign of elbow pain.

In the end, I think a combination of rest, heat, PT, message, graston, and strengthening exercises finally resolved it.


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Dso

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Glad your arm feels better. I had forgot about your bicep issue. Season winding down? Spring and summer just starting.
Well. We play a lot indoors. I play in a winter league that wraps up shortly, then a short USTA league, also indoors. Not a lot of organized outdoor stuff around here- weird huh?
 

tennisnut1

Semi-Pro
When the racquet cured the TE, were you in constant pain even when you were not playing? Or was the pain only when you played?

In my case of TE it was so bad the pain was constant and worse when I moved my wrist and fingers in a certain way. I couldn't even make a practice backhand or a practice serve (without hitting a ball) without pain. It took 20 months of rehab and no play to finally heal. There's no way playing with any racquet would have cured it. That said, I tested several racquets as I was making my comeback and I settled on the Prince EXO3 and it is clearly more arm friendly than my Wilsons. I liked the Volkl VI Classic too.
the pain was worst after playing, the vibration from the racket kept the injury inflamed. I tried 2 different kinds of massagers, the flex bar, so dam frustrating. I just had to ditch the racket (sold all 3 on TW for sale) and am an angell convert for life. I'm playing the best tennis of my life and will be 63 in July and no arm pain.
 

ByeByePoly

G.O.A.T.
the pain was worst after playing, the vibration from the racket kept the injury inflamed. I tried 2 different kinds of massagers, the flex bar, so dam frustrating. I just had to ditch the racket (sold all 3 on TW for sale) and am an angell convert for life. I'm playing the best tennis of my life and will be 63 in July and no arm pain.

I have to say I'm more impressed with your legs than your racquet. What style do you play?
 

tennisnut1

Semi-Pro
I have to say I'm more impressed with your legs than your racquet. What style do you play?
You are very kind my friend, I am old schood, they call me the surgeon, I will pick you apart and don't miss. The boomer banger shots come back and they scratch their heads and say oh my I have to hit another shot. They lose, I win.
 

ByeByePoly

G.O.A.T.
You are very kind my friend, I am old schood, they call me the surgeon, I will pick you apart and don't miss. The boomer banger shots come back and they scratch their heads and say oh my I have to hit another shot. They lose, I win.

So baseline control game?

{Like I have said ... tournaments have died around here ... and not playing USTA singles ... so following is "if I was competitive singles now"}

The way I played 4.5 tournament singles:
5' 7" 155lbs
- s&v 1st and most 2nd serve
- accurate moderate kicker
- rock solid overhead
- "good enough" singles volley ... bh volley actually pretty good ... fh volley adequate
- fast ... very ... rare other guy was faster
- accurate moderate pace control groundies ... no spin on bh except slice ... hit corners and dtl well and made opponent run
- on return side ... would use speed for some roper dope ... but good dtl pass (particularly flat 1hbh)
- would take short balls dtl ... chip and charge.

That was a long way to say my game was dependent on speed, agility, control and tactics ... NOT baseline power/pace.

That game is not on the menu at 59 :p. Neither is 155 ... although I did get there for 1 summer 5 years ago. I now live between 160-168 .. unfortunately 168 now after winter. Turns out 5lbs in 50+ singles for a short guy matters a lot. Anyway ... my groundstrokes are better now ... but legs aren't even close. I find it much easier to cover side to side than forward. I would like to s&v more ... but found with better grounstrokes I was playing pretty solid baseline tennis. Rather than actively introduce net pressure ... I just came in when opoonents short balls dictated it. I told @S&V-not_dead_yet this summer I would dedicate myself to more s&v ... but I'm afraid I'm 10lbs away from that commitment. :eek:

You would think the baseline bombers from 4.5 tournament years would be getting payback now where nobody is fast anymore. Not really ... I went from fricken fast to "fast for 59" ... any many of them can only be called "you call that running?"

FYI ... I played with many "tennis surgeons" for two decades. Funny ... they were always in the top 5 in the state in 40s and 50s. Control and low UE counts ... who would have thunk it? :rolleyes:

I really want a video of you beating a 30 year old in a tournament this summer. I bet we could start a ttwgofundme for it.
 

tennisnut1

Semi-Pro
So baseline control game?

{Like I have said ... tournaments have died around here ... and not playing USTA singles ... so following is "if I was competitive singles now"}

The way I played 4.5 tournament singles:
5' 7" 155lbs
- s&v 1st and most 2nd serve
- accurate moderate kicker
- rock solid overhead
- "good enough" singles volley ... bh volley actually pretty good ... fh volley adequate
- fast ... very ... rare other guy was faster
- accurate moderate pace control groundies ... no spin on bh except slice ... hit corners and dtl well and made opponent run
- on return side ... would use speed for some roper dope ... but good dtl pass (particularly flat 1hbh)
- would take short balls dtl ... chip and charge.

That was a long way to say my game was dependent on speed, agility, control and tactics ... NOT baseline power/pace.

That game is not on the menu at 59 :p. Neither is 155 ... although I did get there for 1 summer 5 years ago. I now live between 160-168 .. unfortunately 168 now after winter. Turns out 5lbs in 50+ singles for a short guy matters a lot. Anyway ... my groundstrokes are better now ... but legs aren't even close. I find it much easier to cover side to side than forward. I would like to s&v more ... but found with better grounstrokes I was playing pretty solid baseline tennis. Rather than actively introduce net pressure ... I just came in when opoonents short balls dictated it. I told @S&V-not_dead_yet this summer I would dedicate myself to more s&v ... but I'm afraid I'm 10lbs away from that commitment. :eek:

You would think the baseline bombers from 4.5 tournament years would be getting payback now where nobody is fast anymore. Not really ... I went from fricken fast to "fast for 59" ... any many of them can only be called "you call that running?"

FYI ... I played with many "tennis surgeons" for two decades. Funny ... they were always in the top 5 in the state in 40s and 50s. Control and low UE counts ... who would have thunk it? :rolleyes:

I really want a video of you beating a 30 year old in a tournament this summer. I bet we could start a ttwgofundme for it.
Ha, where do you live, maybe we could hook up and play !!
 

tmc5005

Rookie
My current list of top 10 arm elbow friendly racquets includes:
Yonex EZONE DR98
HEAD XT Graphene Prestige MP
PACIFIC BXT X Tour Pro 97
Wilson Ultra Tour
Volkl Vsense 10 325g
Pro Kennex Q+ Tour Pro
Pro Kennex KI5 320
Head Graphene 360 Speed Pro
Wilson Countervale Blade 98 18×20
Dunlop Srixon Rev CX 2.0 Tour
 
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