Tennis forehand lag causing pain

Jake Speeed

Rookie
It’s not my serve that’s causing me problems though it’s the forehand and yes my wrist moves but it’s natrual as I learnt the mechanics from young so I do not think about if my wrist is moving or not when I serve
Look, It's not your serve?

Well, I'm not impressed with the path of your racket with your serve. You also over hit sometimes so I'm not impressed with your overall game and style of play. Shot placement, short approach shots, and in some backhand places you're clumsy. You're working way to hard for who you were playing. Dial your game back so you "know yourself." It's unfortunate you cannot answer a simple question about yourself.

You should start thinking about your wrist during the serve so you know what it's doing. I can't tell in your video and you don't know enough about what your wrist is doing to reply to my question.

Your original statement was about "pain." I'm trying to zero in on the cause.

JS
 

Znak

Professional
Look, It's not your serve?

Well, I'm not impressed with the path of your racket with your serve. You also over hit sometimes so I'm not impressed with your overall game and style of play. Shot placement, short approach shots, and in some backhand places you're clumsy. You're working way to hard for who you were playing. Dial your game back so you "know yourself." It's unfortunate you cannot answer a simple question about yourself.

You should start thinking about your wrist during the serve so you know what it's doing. I can't tell in your video and you don't know enough about what your wrist is doing to reply to my question.

Your original statement was about "pain." I'm trying to zero in on the cause.

JS
Bro.... lol...
 
Look, It's not your serve?

Well, I'm not impressed with the path of your racket with your serve. You also over hit sometimes so I'm not impressed with your overall game and style of play. Shot placement, short approach shots, and in some backhand places you're clumsy. You're working way to hard for who you were playing. Dial your game back so you "know yourself." It's unfortunate you cannot answer a simple question about yourself.

You should start thinking about your wrist during the serve so you know what it's doing. I can't tell in your video and you don't know enough about what your wrist is doing to reply to my question.

Your original statement was about "pain." I'm trying to zero in on the cause.

JS
Well mate I’m sorry that we can’t agree my game is pretty ugly but it works big serve big forehand thanks for the input though enjoy your day mate
 

diddyac

Rookie
Look, It's not your serve?

Well, I'm not impressed with the path of your racket with your serve. You also over hit sometimes so I'm not impressed with your overall game and style of play. Shot placement, short approach shots, and in some backhand places you're clumsy. You're working way to hard for who you were playing. Dial your game back so you "know yourself." It's unfortunate you cannot answer a simple question about yourself.

You should start thinking about your wrist during the serve so you know what it's doing. I can't tell in your video and you don't know enough about what your wrist is doing to reply to my question.

Your original statement was about "pain." I'm trying to zero in on the cause.

JS
Lol how arrogant are you? he is simply saying that he doesn't feel the pain from the serve and it's from the position of the forehand lag

His decision making and placement has nothing to do with the topic, and he wasn't even being the slightest bit rude

He is clearly someone who grew up playing and ingraining his own technique from a young age, that become instinct and not a broken down to a T - oh but Kyrgios doesn't even know what grip he uses on his forehand, guess he's not an impressive at all

It's clear to tell you're the type of guy to come to these forums for acknowledgement on your ego by giving 'advice" rather than to actually help someone
 

Jake Speeed

Rookie
Well mate I’m sorry that we can’t agree my game is pretty ugly but it works big serve big forehand thanks for the input though enjoy your day mate
I never said your game was "ugly." I stated what I see, simple as that. You're young enough to fix things slowly and fixing won't hurt your playing skill during matches. All this will improve at the same time.

However, it seems you believe you're already there which is unfortunate because I see the makings of a great tennis player and you're holding yourself back being overconfident. Overconfidence is not a good thing.

If it will make you feel any better, yes, absolutely, in general, you do look good on the court, really good in fact, but you have definite room for improvement. Watch your video. your elbow is close to your body on your forehand. First thing I would fix.

JS
 

diddyac

Rookie
Well mate I’m sorry that we can’t agree my game is pretty ugly but it works big serve big forehand thanks for the input though enjoy your day mate
Hey man, listen honestly, because you're unsure yourself of where you feel the pain, that makes it hard to identify any potential causes

I don't know what your situation is, financially or whatever, as i've made similar decisions not to seek medical advice due to the expense in the past when i was younger

But trust me, you should probably see someone to at least pinpoint what's wrong, when you injure yourself to a point that even when you heal, you still feel it, and then it affects your overall play, mindset and enjoyment of your favourite sport in the future, it's not worth it, been in your position many times with a few regrets in hindsight
 
I never said your game was "ugly." I stated what I see, simple as that. You're young enough to fix things slowly and fixing won't hurt your playing skill during matches. All this will improve at the same time.

However, it seems you believe you're already there which is unfortunate because I see the makings of a great tennis player and you're holding yourself back being overconfident. Overconfidence is not a good thing.

If it will make you feel any better, yes, absolutely, in general, you do look good on the court, really good in fact, but you have definite room for improvement. Watch your video. your elbow is close to your body on your forehand. First thing I would fix.

JS
Didn’t mean to come off cocky I’m aware that there are changes I need to make and evolving everyday I’m no where near where I need to be but thanks though
 
Hey man, listen honestly, because you're unsure yourself of where you feel the pain, that makes it hard to identify any potential causes

I don't know what your situation is, financially or whatever, as i've made similar decisions not to seek medical advice due to the expense in the past when i was younger

But trust me, you should probably see someone to at least pinpoint what's wrong, when you injure yourself to a point that even when you heal, you still feel it, and then it affects your overall play, mindset and enjoyment of your favourite sport in the future, it's not worth it, been in your position many times with a few regrets in hindsight
Yeah thanks for the advice luckily where I train there’s a good doctor going to compete this weekend and then call it a day hitting forehands for a while
 

Jake Speeed

Rookie
As a result of the speed (116mph+ regularly) it does but I don’t force it to pronate so all in all yes
First of all, and this is difficult for some players to comprehend, there's absolutely no wrist movement/snap at contact point or a tad after in serving.

It's all forearm turning. Sure pronation is really import, but it's not only pronation, it's also what the ball is doing when it comes off the racket.

My suggestion would be for you to see exactly what's going on with your service motion, racket head path and the wrist. There is no wrist.

Do a video and look at it in slow motion. Also the racket path and arm does not follow the direction the ball goes, the path of the arm and racket always travels angled away from the direction the ball is going. To the side so to speak.

Your pain issues could be related to your service technique? I've seen this before with 5.5 players and above.

You may also strive to develop a nearly straight arm forehand with little bent elbow at contact.

How tall are you?

JS
 
First of all, and this is difficult for some players to comprehend, there's absolutely no wrist movement/snap at contact point or a tad after in serving.

It's all forearm turning. Sure pronation is really import, but it's not only pronation, it's also what the ball is doing when it comes off the racket.

My suggestion would be for you to see exactly what's going on with your service motion, racket head path and the wrist. There is no wrist.

Do a video and look at it in slow motion. Also the racket path and arm does not follow the direction the ball goes, the path of the arm and racket always travels angled away from the direction the ball is going. To the side so to speak.

Your pain issues could be related to your service technique? I've seen this before with 5.5 players and above.

You may also strive to develop a nearly straight arm forehand with little bent elbow at contact.

How tall are you?

JS
My mum taught me to have a straight arm and my brother plays with a near straight arm but I found it really hard to develop it as a child

I’m 5’11 and 3/4 (basically 6)
 

Chas Tennis

G.O.A.T.
when I lag it’s at the back of my arm
Along the length of the arm -

1) between the shoulder and elbow? OR

2) between the elbow and wrist?


Nerve Pinch. A pinched nerve can cause pain, numbness or tingling that is different. I have never had a pinched nerve and have no medical training. My son would get numbness in his fingers after he worked out and built some muscle. The pinch in the nerve is located above the pain or numbness felt in the arm or hand. The pinch may be in the shoulder, neck or elsewhere and cause feelings that seem to come from the hand.

Here is a 'nerve map' that shows the arm and what is affected by nerve pinches located at certain joints or other parts of the body. ( C & T refer to vertebrae of the spine where the nerve may pass)



There are many other causes of arm pain besides the most common ones.

You need to see a Dr for a diagnosis.
 
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Along the length of the arm -

1) between the shoulder and elbow? OR

2) between the elbow and wrist?


Nerve Pinch. A pinched nerve can cause pain, numbness or tingling that is different. I have never had a pinched nerve and have no medical training. My son would get numbness in his fingers after he worked out and built some muscle. The pinch in the nerve is located above the pain or numbness felt in the arm or hand. The pinch may be in the shoulder, neck or elsewhere and cause feelings that seem to come from the hand.

Here is a 'nerve map' that shows the arm and what is affected by nerve pinches located at certain joints or other parts of the body. ( C & T refer to vertebrae of the spine where the nerve may pass)



There are many other causes of arm pain besides the most common ones.

You need to see a Dr for a diagnosis.
its one between the shoulder and elbow
 

Fintft

Legend
I picture this for myself as follows:
- You make your prep and backswing with racquet high and legs loaded;
- You make things roll with light intensity similar to your warmup hitting; torso starts rotating at moderate rate, arm and racquet drops down and starts moving towards the ball; you are holding on big leg power injection yet;
- As the ball is coming closer and swingpath is clearly determined, you switch the gear and fully drive with your legs, rotate your torso, and leave racquet behind into full lag;
- And you make contact and follow-through.

Kind of go load->slow start->unload and accelerate. Instead of load->accelerate from still position.
Nice but are you talking open stance here? If so, does " holding on big leg power injection" apply to neutral stance as well?
 

Dragy

Hall of Fame
Nice but are you talking open stance here? If so, does " holding on big leg power injection" apply to neutral stance as well?
Yeah, why not? To me the point is, if you use lag->catch-up sequence, you can inject power to accelerate racquet briefly and close before contact. Open stance, neutral stance, airborne - anyway, torso rotation shall be applied, and the rest is timing and sequencing.
 
do you know any top pros with a take-back like mine that gets away with it just so I can see?
Was watching Fernando Gonzales in slow mo today and I thought “where have I seen that forehand before?” Watching yours again, I see that your start is different than his but overall very similar. Not saying you should change your backswing at all, but you mentioned you are always evolving your game, so maybe fool around and see what works best. The guy has an amazing backhand as well.



Hope the pain has gone away.
 
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