Tennis @Historically Black Colleges and Universities (HBCU)

bobleenov1963

Hall of Fame
My co-worker texted me this evening that his son will be attending and playing tennis at one of the D1 History Black Colleges and Universities (HBCU) schools for the 2020-2021. The kid has a 3.0 GPA and 1200 SAT score. The average GPA and SAT score at this D1 school for general student admission is 2.6 GPA and 1020, respectively. The admission rate is 50%.

My co-worker's kid is white and I look up the men's roster for 2019-2020 roster and I see either white or asians/Indians players on the roster. Not a single AA player on the roster for the past three years and only 3 AA players on the roster in the past five years.

Is that normal?
 

Bukowski

Professional
Of course, theyll take anybody! Some of my foreign EU friends went to HBCUs for a year or 2 because they did know what it was. How else would they compete?
 

atatu

Legend
Not sure if it's normal or not, if you look at the roster for Howard it looks like they have African Americans on their roster and and few kids from Jamaica and Barbados.
However, even HBCU football teams have white kids on the roster, so I'm not sure why it's big deal.
 

silentkman

Professional
My co-worker texted me this evening that his son will be attending and playing tennis at one of the D1 History Black Colleges and Universities (HBCU) schools for the 2020-2021. The kid has a 3.0 GPA and 1200 SAT score. The average GPA and SAT score at this D1 school for general student admission is 2.6 GPA and 1020, respectively. The admission rate is 50%.

My co-worker's kid is white and I look up the men's roster for 2019-2020 roster and I see either white or asians/Indians players on the roster. Not a single AA player on the roster for the past three years and only 3 AA players on the roster in the past five years.

Is that normal?
Unfortunately, at some HBCU's its becoming the norm. All the white players are foreigners.
 

bobleenov1963

Hall of Fame
Not sure if it's normal or not, if you look at the roster for Howard it looks like they have African Americans on their roster and and few kids from Jamaica and Barbados.
However, even HBCU football teams have white kids on the roster, so I'm not sure why it's big deal.
Some white kids on the football team at HBCU but not ALL white kids. In the state of Maryland, Morgan State University tennis roster for 2019-2020, not a single black or AA player on the roster from what I can tell: https://morganstatebears.com/sports/mens-tennis/roster/2019-20

I thought schools are designated as HBCU so that they can grants from the Federal and money from state government that other public universities don't get. The money from the government, state and local, help the school to survive and help AA students, not foreigners, no?
 

bluetrain4

G.O.A.T.
HBCU Historically Black Colleges and Universities - there was a time when all of these schools were legitimately the only place for black students to attend - that's why they were started. It was legal to discriminate and segregate - preventing black students from attending other schools.

They largely maintain their mission to serve black students, but they're not exclusive. Non-black students can and do attend. The schools can't restrict admission to only black students, otherwise they'd lose some of their federal funds because they'd be in violation of federal law.
 
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bobleenov1963

Hall of Fame
HBCU Historically Black Colleges and Universities - there was a time when all of these schools were legitimately the only place for black students to attend - that's why they were started. It was legal to discriminate and segregate - preventing black students from attending other schools.

They largely maintain their mission to serve black students, but they're not exclusive. Non-black students can and do attend. The schools can't restrict admission to only black students, otherwise they'd lose all of their federal funds because they'd be in violation of federal law.

HBCUs get funding from the Federal government that other colleges and universities like University of Virginia and Virginia Tech do not get. HBCUs resources should be helping black students not some rich non-black students who come to the US and play tennis at HBCUs and gaming the system.
 

bluetrain4

G.O.A.T.

HBCUs get funding from the Federal government that other colleges and universities like University of Virginia and Virginia Tech do not get. HBCUs resources should be helping black students not some rich non-black students who come to the US and play tennis at HBCUs and gaming the system.
I'm not really debating that. I'm just trying to dispel the notion that non-black students can't and don't attend HBCUs. And, yes there is money earmarked for HBCUs, but there is other federal money that HBCUs receive that requires compliance with all federal laws, regulations, mandates - which would prevent an HBCU from only admitting black students - unless they wanted to do without that money.
 

atatu

Legend

HBCUs get funding from the Federal government that other colleges and universities like University of Virginia and Virginia Tech do not get. HBCUs resources should be helping black students not some rich non-black students who come to the US and play tennis at HBCUs and gaming the system.
I'm not clear what you're getting at, are you saying that HBCU's should not get funding if they have a few non AA's on their sports teams ? Also are you assuming all the non AA students who play on these teams are "rich" kids "gaming the system" or are you just referring to your co-workers kid ?
 

bobleenov1963

Hall of Fame
I'm not clear what you're getting at, are you saying that HBCU's should not get funding if they have a few non AA's on their sports teams ? Also are you assuming all the non AA students who play on these teams are "rich" kids "gaming the system" or are you just referring to your co-workers kid ?
Both.

HBCUs should absolutely get funding from the Federal Government. Schools like UVA or VA Tech will be fine because they are leeching money from another government sector like the Pentagon and the defense industry.

If you look at some of the tennis roster at HBCUs, lots of non AA tennis "student/athletes" come from boarding schools and tennis academies. You have to have $$$ to attend those places.
 

bluetrain4

G.O.A.T.
I was curious so I checked out the roster at University of the District of Columbia, and they have a lot of international players, mostly European. On the other hand check out the Tuskegee team
I love that the one dude wore shades. Something I would have done. Lol.
 

Bukowski

Professional

HBCUs get funding from the Federal government that other colleges and universities like University of Virginia and Virginia Tech do not get. HBCUs resources should be helping black students not some rich non-black students who come to the US and play tennis at HBCUs and gaming the system.
you can’t make this argument without criticizing the current functionality of college sports in the US. The entire thing is rigged already. The tennis team just wants to compete.
 

bobleenov1963

Hall of Fame
I was curious so I checked out the roster at University of the District of Columbia, and they have a lot of international players, mostly European. On the other hand check out the Tuskegee team
The UDC thing is a complete F___. The school needs to do a better job in recruiting AA players instead of filling it with European white players. WTF....

The Tuskegee team, they couldn't afford to provide a head coach with an official email? The head coach has to use yahoo mail. WTH....
 

PBODY99

Legend
@bobleenov1963
HBCU have always been open to all.
Also for years the state related ones were underfunded vs the rest of many states college.
Tor players try to go to the schools that offer them closest to what they want.
With no college scholarships outside of the US system, the global player looking to use higher ed to get ahead, while still playing tennis looks for opportunities.
The US coach who feels pressure to have a winning team looks for the strongest players they can attract. This is just the way American Tennis is.
 

andfor

Legend
HBCU with non AA players is far from unusual. The roster ethnic backgrounds vary. South Carolina St. for instance had pretty good Russians for years. FAMU has usually had all AA players, although many are internationals. Look at HBCU baseball teams, 60 Minutes did an expose a few years ago that most teams were non AA due to the schools not being able to find enough AA athletes for fill the rosters.

Trivia note. When I was in school Hampton was a NAIA school and was a perennial power.

The reality is colleges in the U.S. regardless of their history are for anyone. In todays slash non-revenue college sports environment I celebrate the fact any college supports a tennis team.
 

MarTennis

Semi-Pro
My co-worker texted me this evening that his son will be attending and playing tennis at one of the D1 History Black Colleges and Universities (HBCU) schools for the 2020-2021. The kid has a 3.0 GPA and 1200 SAT score. The average GPA and SAT score at this D1 school for general student admission is 2.6 GPA and 1020, respectively. The admission rate is 50%.

My co-worker's kid is white and I look up the men's roster for 2019-2020 roster and I see either white or asians/Indians players on the roster. Not a single AA player on the roster for the past three years and only 3 AA players on the roster in the past five years.

Is that normal?
Yes. What school? That said, Morgan State just signed a high rated 5 star African American player. I also know what a 5 star quality dual nationality black player is probably signing with Howard. Finally, my kid's AA training partner is probably going to an HBCU. My kid is AA not going HBCU. He staying in Cali.
 

MarTennis

Semi-Pro
Another note the schools are not designated as ABCU. Meaning they were historically black, notably for historical reasons, but many were never exclusively black.
 

bobleenov1963

Hall of Fame
Another note the schools are not designated as ABCU. Meaning they were historically black, notably for historical reasons, but many were never exclusively black.
Thank you for pointing that out. Hampton University is also a HBCU with the following ratio:

The enrolled student population at Hampton University, both undergraduate and graduate, is 91.9% Black or African American, 3.98% White, 1.34% Hispanic or Latino, 0.888% Asian, 0.411% American Indian or Alaska Native, 0.0433% Native Hawaiian or Other Pacific Islanders, and 0% Two or More Races.

Source: https://datausa.io/profile/university/hampton-university

Tuition at Hampton U. is 12K higher than University of Virginia. 28K for Hampton U versus 16K for Uni. of Virginia but it is much harder to get into UVA than Hampton U.
 

Johnatan

New User
My co-worker texted me this evening that his son will be attending and playing tennis at one of the D1 History Black Colleges and Universities (HBCU) schools for the 2020-2021. The kid has a 3.0 GPA and 1200 SAT score. The average GPA and SAT score at this D1 school for general student admission is 2.6 GPA and 1020, respectively. The admission rate is 50%.

My co-worker's kid is white and I look up the men's roster for 2019-2020 roster and I see either white or asians/Indians players on the roster. Not a single AA player on the roster for the past three years and only 3 AA players on the roster in the past five years.

Is that normal?
Yeah it is normal that they recruit non-black players. The university being HBCU does not mean that they only allow black students. Especially in tennis teams, kids are from all over Europe where Tennis is a bigger deal than in America. I have always seen a majority of non-black kids in College tennis in any University
 

3kids

Rookie
Yes. What school? That said, Morgan State just signed a high rated 5 star African American player. I also know what a 5 star quality dual nationality black player is probably signing with Howard. Finally, my kid's AA training partner is probably going to an HBCU. My kid is AA not going HBCU. He staying in Cali.
This must be the recruit to whom you are referring? https://www.tennisrecruiting.net/article.asp?id=316455343
Sounds like he had to overcome a number of challenges to get to where he is!
 
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