Tennis is in complete shambles

[dking68]

The world #3 at the prime age of 28 years old has been defeated by the 38 year old legend from Serbia in a non-competitive 4 setter. What does it say about the current state of the ATP tour?

 

[geromino]

It says the GOAT is still playing at a high level when he cares to, which is excellent for the state of tennis.

 

[itrium84]

The world #3 at the prime age of 28 years old has been defeated by the 38 year old legend from Serbia in a non-competitive 4 setter. What does it say about the current state of the ATP tour?

Not much, actually.
There's no shame in losing to GOAT.

 

[duaneeo]

All it says is what we've known for years: 90s-borns are mugs.

But men's tennis is now in the hands of 2K-borns, so the current state is quite good.

 

[Red Rick]

I would say Zverev is in complete shambles.

 

[GabeT]

There is only one GOAT

 

[FlyingSaucer]

It says the GOAT is still playing at a high level when he cares to, which is excellent for the state of tennis.

Not much, actually.
There's no shame in losing to GOAT.

You think Zverev should walk away from this loss with his head held high because Djokovic was his opponent?

 

[Cortana]

Not much, actually.
There's no shame in losing to GOAT.

This. It‘s not like he just lost against Monfils lol.

 

[Third Serve]

Tennis is getting better. It was in shambles in 2020-2023/24. Younger players are finally stepping up, even if those steps are more like baby steps for the moment.

Zverev still being terrible is old news.

 

[RS]

The world #3 at the prime age of 28 years old has been defeated by the 38 year old legend from Serbia in a non-competitive 4 setter. What does it say about the current state of the ATP tour?

The CIE coined term suggests we have been a weak era since at least mid 2016

 

[Mustard]

The world #3 at the prime age of 28 years old has been defeated by the 38 year old legend from Serbia in a non-competitive 4 setter. What does it say about the current state of the ATP tour?

Djokovic did the same to Alcaraz at the Australian Open earlier this year.

 

[The Guru]

I swear Djokovic could hit a winner on every single point and people would still cry about his age. He played well. Give him some credit.

 

[Federev]

It says the GOAT is still playing at a high level when he cares to, which is excellent for the state of tennis.

Judging by the Zverev metric, I think we’ll know better how high Novak’s level when he plays the next guy.

He might do great. He might not.

We’ll just have to see.

 

[MasturB]

It says the GOAT is still playing at a high level when he cares to, which is excellent for the state of tennis.

No offense to Novak but if he played the level today against someone like sinner or alcaraz he'd get straight setted.

Zverev is #3 but he's shown time and time again at slams he's absolutely useless.

 

[buscemi]

This. It‘s not like he just lost against Monfils lol.

Although #4 seed Fritz did lose to Monfils at the Australian Open.

 

[Rosstour]

I swear Djokovic could hit a winner on every single point and people would still cry about his age. He played well. Give him so credit.

He just straight up outsmarted Zverev. No other way to look at it. Crazy

 

[McGradey]

Better player beats inferior player happens all the time and always has done.

 

[TheAssassin]

The current world number 1 getting busted only to just get slapped on the wrist seems like bigger shambles to me.

 

[StrongRule]

Tennis is getting better. It was in shambles in 2020-2023/24. Younger players are finally stepping up, even if those steps are more like baby steps for the moment.

Zverev still being terrible is old news.

Yeah, as if Alcaraz isn't losing to the 38 years old time after time. Sinner managed not to lose to him for quiet a while, but I'm really not sure this streak isn't going to end now.

 

[Third Serve]

Yeah, as if Alcaraz isn't losing to the 38 years old time after time. Sinner managed not to lose to him for quiet a while, but I'm really not sure this streak isn't going to end now.

Alcaraz's losses have been disappointing but at least he brought the goods in two Wimbledon finals. Again, his progression has been slower than I'd like but you have to be kidding me if you think this isn't an improvement over two of the worst generations in the entire Open Era (Dimitrov, Raonic, Nishikori, and then Medvedev, Zverev, and Tsitsipas).

 

[MasturB]

If Sinner's level the last week is the Sinner Novak is going to play Friday then its going to be a short day for Novak.

Sinner is going to wear him down, because that's Darren Cahill's signature gameplan. Grind grind grind. And Sinner has the length to chase dropshots and do something with them.

Novak will have to have a god mode day to beat Sinner's current form.

Novak was looking gassed against Zverev who wasnt really making a 38 year old run. Sinner is absolutely going to make Novak run sideways and all over Paris. And Novak's defense at 38 is still one of the best in the game but it can only keep him in the match for so long.

 

[Hitman]

Tennis is just fine, its always been fine.

 

[joekapa]

If Sinner's level the last week is the Sinner Novak is going to play Friday then its going to be a short day for Novak.

Sinner is going to wear him down, because that's Darren Cahill's signature gameplan. Grind grind grind. And Sinner has the length to chase dropshots and do something with them.

Novak will have to have a god mode day to beat Sinner's current form.

Novak was looking gassed against Zverev who wasnt really making a 38 year old run. Sinner is absolutely going to make Novak run sideways and all over Paris. And Novak's defense at 38 is still one of the best in the game but it can only keep him in the match for so long.

Bring it.

 

[alexio]

Tennis is just fine, its always been fine.

im thinking about wolfie that episode from terminator after your post haha

 

[Hitman]

im thinking about wolfie that episode from terminator after your post haha

Wolfie's fine honey, Wolfie is just fine....

 

[socallefty]

Zverev never makes adjustments. He let an old man beat him with drop shots and wide serves over four hours without ever thinking of moving closer on returns or playing closer to the baseline. That is part of why he always under-achieves - zero imagination. Sinner is currently better than Djokovic game wise, but at least we know that Djokovic will come in with a Plan A, B, C etc. and keep making adjustments to make Sinner earn a win (or a loss!). Zverev, not so much.

 

[ND-13]

What we already know about 2018-23 needs no further affirmation.

 

[scotus]

This is no ordinary 38 year old. He is the GOAT.

 

[Curtennis]

No offense to Novak but if he played the level today against someone like sinner or alcaraz he'd get straight setted.

Zverev is #3 but he's shown time and time again at slams he's absolutely useless.

So if he played his gameplan for Zverev against someone who isn’t Zverev he’d lose? Quite insightful.

 

[Lleytonstation]

I swear Djokovic could hit a winner on every single point and people would still cry about his age. He played well. Give him so credit.

He did, his opponent however did not.

 

[Hitman]

Djokovic loses - See, this is what happens when he faces real competition, he's been lucky

Djokovic wins - The tour is a mess, full of mugs and clowns, they cannot even beat this old man

 

[ND-13]

Djokovic played very well. Zverev played predictably very meekly. Both are 100% facts and not opinions.

 

[alexio]

Wolfie's fine honey, Wolfie is just fine....

btw we talked a bit about our tastes in another thread not so long ago, so would be interesting to know your opinion, i.e. which film you like more, first or second

 

[duaneeo]

Yeah, as if Alcaraz isn't losing to the 38 years old time after time.

They've only met twice at the slams since 2024. Nole beat him at the AO (Alcaraz's worst slam), but Sinner is the player to beat on hard.

And that's why the state of the ATP is fine. Even if you beat one of them, the other will likely be waiting in the wings.

 

[Hitman]

btw we talked a bit about our tastes in another thread not so long ago, so would be interesting to know your opinion, i.e. which film you like more, first or second

Terminator or another movie?

 

[Mainad]

Djokovic loses - See, this is what happens when he faces real competition, he's been lucky

Djokovic wins - The tour is a mess, full of mugs and clowns, they cannot even beat this old man

To be honest I think the cakewalk of his early rounds obviously helped Novak conserve as much energy as possible once he got to the business end of the draw. The match with Zverev saw much lengthy and brutal hitting from both players and lasted over 3 hours. I do wonder how this will affect Novak going into his semi with Jannik.

 

[RF-18]

He is out for Sinners head now.

 

[alexio]

Terminator or another movie?

terminator or terminator 2

 

[sortof]

The world #3 at the prime age of 28 years old has been defeated by the 38 year old legend from Serbia in a non-competitive 4 setter. What does it say about the current state of the ATP tour?

Primarily it says a lot about the 28 years old you mentioned.

 

[Hitman]

To be honest I think the cakewalk of his early rounds obviously helped Novak conserve as much energy as possible once he got to the business end of the draw. The match with Zverev saw much lengthy and brutal hitting from both players and lasted over 3 hours. I do wonder how this will affect Novak going into his semi with Jannik.

I think he should be fine, he knew today he was going to made to work. He still got it done in four sets. He will recover and be ready. Most important is that he doesn't get injured.

 

[dking68]

Primarily it says a lot about the 28 years old you mentioned.

Agreed

 

[Hitman]

terminator or terminator 2

Both are actually very different genres, the first is like a sci-fi horror slasher movie, the second is a sci-fi action movie. The second one is more appealing to me, because of the extra range we see out of the T-800 and his relationship with Connor. Both very very good movies.

This is kind of how I feel about Alien and Aliens, they follow the same formula.

 

[Tennfan123]

Agreed. It’s a tragic state. Made worse by the fact that if you went to the effort of attending tonight’s night session, this would be the only match you’d see!!! One match and a travesty at that.

 

[Tennfan123]

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[TheGoldenEra1990’s]

The world #3 at the prime age of 28 years old has been defeated by the 38 year old legend from Serbia in a non-competitive 4 setter. What does it say about the current state of the ATP tour?

Says they are complete mental cases and completely lost when someone doesn’t bend over for them and provided resistance . We will see if sinner keeps his head in check, stays patient and attacks when the timing is right.

 

[Sephiroth]

Sinner will chop him up, if not, then Alcaraz definitely will.

 

[Sephiroth]

Zverev isn't an indicator of Alcaraz/Sinner, even if he likes to put himself there. Just by default he's there.

 

[duaneeo]

Tennis is getting better. It was in shambles in 2020-2023/24. Younger players are finally stepping up, even if those steps are more like baby steps for the moment.

Zverev still being terrible is old news.

Agree, but five of the last five slams are adult steps.

 

[jimmy0slams]

Agreed. It’s a tragic state. Made worse by the fact that if you went to the effort of attending tonight’s night session, this would be the only match you’d see!!! One match and a travesty at that.

You're a ****ing clown

 

[jackson vile]

It says if you take care of your body and maintain it at a high level you won’t fall off like all the lazy ignorant people do.

Why is it so acceptable for people to turn into a turd once in their late 30s?

Have you ever considered that life shouldn’t go like that and that directly aligns with a persons life choices?

Novak’s made great choices for his life and health while all the others didn’t.

It’s like being upset at someone that planned well and retires in their late 40s, those people will blame everyone but themselves.