Tennis is literally dying. Average age of TV viewers of ATP matches was 61 years

papertank

Hall of Fame
This stat is a bit misleading. After some quick googling, the average age of TV watchers in general in the US is 56. The average age for Fox News is close to 70. When it comes to other sports, tennis is on the old end but most others are very close. Baseball is 57, Nascar is 58, Golf is 64, the Olmypics is 53. The only ones in relatively good shape are basketball and soccer at 42 and 40 respectively. Old people just make up a huge portion of the tv watching population nowadays. What's interesting though, is that women's tennis is actually at 55, which puts it in the upper half of sports on the list I saw.
 
This stat is a bit misleading. After some quick googling, the average age of TV watchers in general in the US is 56. The average age for Fox News is close to 70. When it comes to other sports, tennis is on the old end but most others are very close. Baseball is 57, Nascar is 58, Golf is 64, the Olmypics is 53. The only ones in relatively good shape are basketball and soccer at 42 and 40 respectively. Old people just make up a huge portion of the tv watching population nowadays. What's interesting though, is that women's tennis is actually at 55, which puts it in the upper half of sports on the list I saw.
NHL is at 50 too. They are all up there in age. Not sure it is as "big" of a deal. At least not the age stat for viewers.

However, top sports endorsements seem to be in tennis, so what does that say?
 

weelie

Semi-Pro
Tennis is literally dying. Average age of TV viewers of ATP matches was 61 years
Young people have zero interest in watching tennis.
Assumption being TV contracts and advertising is where the money comes from, and watching TV is how people show their commitment? I don't watch tennis on TV, as there is none on TV here (I don't have any pay service, that I would watch on TV). Well, unless you count all the internet services as TV. (True, I am not in the USA)

My kids... they don't watch TV.... they have their eyes glued on the small screen.

All the major tennis tournaments are expanding their venues, as more people are coming to watch tennis. Are these the old people as well?

Federer has 10 times the instagram followers as Djoko or Nadal. I would assume the rest have a minor proportion of what Djoko and Nadal have, though some of the young guns do you embrace the social media. Anyway, when Federer drops out, we need more stars like him, guys everybody in the world knows and follows.
 

octobrina10

G.O.A.T.
Assumption being TV contracts and advertising is where the money comes from, and watching TV is how people show their commitment? I don't watch tennis on TV, as there is none on TV here (I don't have any pay service, that I would watch on TV). Well, unless you count all the internet services as TV. (True, I am not in the USA)

My kids... they don't watch TV.... they have their eyes glued on the small screen.

All the major tennis tournaments are expanding their venues, as more people are coming to watch tennis. Are these the old people as well?

Federer has 10 times the instagram followers as Djoko or Nadal. I would assume the rest have a minor proportion of what Djoko and Nadal have, though some of the young guns do you embrace the social media. Anyway, when Federer drops out, we need more stars like him, guys everybody in the world knows and follows.
You are wrong! Rafa has 0.9 million Instagram followers more than Fed has.
 

weelie

Semi-Pro
You are wrong! Rafa has 0.9 million Instagram followers more than Fed has.
I just picked that stat from somewhere else, so thanks for putting it straight. I have not checked the stat myself before, as I don't really use twitter nor instagram. Raf slightly ahead of Fed and Nole is like half of either of those.

My point was not really about Fed only. It was about stars. To me Nadal is a star as well. Nole not as much. But Federer is likely to have the most universal appeal (for his looks, language skills, general manners etc). This is of course just my personal view of things. (for the record, Nadal and Federer are the guys I follow, as I am not really a fan of Nole's, so that might color my vision)
 

octobrina10

G.O.A.T.
I just picked that stat from somewhere else, so thanks for putting it straight. I have not checked the stat myself before, as I don't really use twitter nor instagram. Raf slightly ahead of Fed and Nole is like half of either of those.

My point was not really about Fed only. It was about stars. To me Nadal is a star as well. Nole not as much. But Federer is likely to have the most universal appeal (for his looks, language skills, general manners etc). This is of course just my personal view of things. (for the record, Nadal and Federer are the guys I follow, as I am not really a fan of Nole's, so that might color my vision)
As for looks, Rafa has modelled underwear for two fashion companies.

As for languages, let me remind you that English is Fed's mother tongue.
 

tennis_pro

Bionic Poster
I don't enjoy matches too long in general. I didn't like how long the Wimbledon final was. I thought Djokovic would wrap it up in 3 or 4 but was surprised to see it going on forever. Took away half of our day and that felt like a waste.
 

Raul_SJ

Legend
This stat is a bit misleading. After some quick googling, the average age of TV watchers in general in the US is 56. The average age for Fox News is close to 70. When it comes to other sports, tennis is on the old end but most others are very close. Baseball is 57, Nascar is 58, Golf is 64, the Olmypics is 53. The only ones in relatively good shape are basketball and soccer at 42 and 40 respectively. Old people just make up a huge portion of the tv watching population nowadays. What's interesting though, is that women's tennis is actually at 55, which puts it in the upper half of sports on the list I saw.
Average age of 61 for television viewership of tennis does not sound right. Could possibly be true if excluding internet viewership.
But any meaningful stat should include all platforms and not just be limited to TV.
 

Robert F

Semi-Pro
I won't disagree with that. It would be nice in a game to at least rotate the view between points. 1 or 2 birdseye, 1 or 2 behind the court eye level. Then when showing replay based on the point chose the best view.
 

clayqueen

G.O.A.T.
Young people are turned off by the relentless all encompassing promotion of a 38 year old as the fans' favourite. It is killing the sport.
 

deaner2211

Semi-Pro
CTE found in 99% of studied brains from deceased NFL players
Among 111 players who played in the National Football League (NFL), 99% had CTE.

Wait a minute is there something wrong with my math? How does 110 out of 202 equals 99%?
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
Wait a minute is there something wrong with my math? How does 110 out of 202 equals 99%?
Read the article. 202 included non-NFL players.


Out of 202 deceased former football players total -- a combination of high school, college and professional players -- CTE was neuropathologically diagnosed in 177, the study said. The disease was identified in 110 out of 111 former NFL players. It was also found in three of the 14 high school players and 48 of the 53 college players.
 

Dartagnan64

Legend
While there is a strong correlation between CTE and NFL players, there is a number of things lacking in all this data:
1) Brains examined were donated suggesting acquisition bias as those with issues or families seeking compensation would be more likely to contribute
2) No data on confounding factors such as drug use, steroid use, alcoholism, age, cerebrovascular risks
3) No clear correlation with symptoms since patient histories have not been well documented and largely based on interviews with family members who again may be looking at compensation from the NFL
4) Lack of a control group such as soccer players or other males playing in athletic endeavors.

All you can say is that some players that were concerned themselves or their families were concerned donated their brains for pathologic examination and a high number showed the changes of CTE in varying stages. This is not surprising because we've known about dementia pugilistica (the old term for CTE) since the early 1900's seen in boxers. It's not a surprise that players of a collision sport like football could get this problem as well. But no one knows what the percentage risk is for players that play football to develop symptomatically relevant CTE. The denominator is absent.

You need a marker other than autopsy findings that can diagnose the presence of these changes in life and follow them as they progress. You need to know what other risks may contribute (steroids, HGH, alcohol) and control for them. And you need to see if lower collision sport athletes have similar issues.

Many people get depressed in mid life amongst non-athletes. Many people get cognitive problems in mid life amongst non-athletes. One needs to know at age 60 does a random sample of NFL players have more of these issues than a random sample of normal age matched population. That data would be crucial. Sadly all the studies are being run by pathologists with no clinical experience dealing with live humans. They aren't asking the right questions.
 
All you can say is that some players that were concerned themselves or their families were concerned donated their brains for pathologic examination and a high number showed the changes of CTE in varying stages. This is not surprising because we've known about dementia pugilistica (the old term for CTE) since the early 1900's seen in boxers. It's not a surprise that players of a collision sport like football could get this problem as well. But no one knows what the percentage risk is for players that play football to develop symptomatically relevant CTE. The denominator is absent.
The point was the dude was saying there is ZERO CORRELATION.
The level of stupid on this forum has no boundary.
 

insideguy

Legend
I think I have heard that every sport with the exception of soccer( football) is dying in my lifetime. I will say this. Dog racing is dying in the states. Thats a fact. Not sure about the state of dog racing throughout the world.
 

weelie

Semi-Pro
As for languages, let me remind you that English is Fed's mother tongue.
Yeah, sure, but I guess you misunderstood what I meant. Federer is fluent in multiple languages. Like many people from Switzerland are. It is a great tool kit, and adds to the opportunities you have. Also adds to the man of the world image of his.

I did not mean it in a way that "Federer is better at learning languages" or whatever, or meaning to put down Nadal's language skills. Nadal knows Spanish, which cover a lot of the world, and his English skills are certainly sufficient, and I assume he is ok in Italian as well. Djokovic apparently speaks many languages as well. But I assume his fluency is more "taught", meaning not as "native".
 

ron schaap

Professional
I think I have heard that every sport with the exception of soccer( football) is dying in my lifetime. I will say this. Dog racing is dying in the states. Thats a fact. Not sure about the state of dog racing throughout the world.
People would die out as wel if it wasnt because the state of health care is progressing too. Too many couch potatoes who dont care about sports or about healthy activity. Only staring at their mobiles for stupid vloggers and games. This thread is dying out as wel and i dont care a bit because its not about tennis.
 

octobrina10

G.O.A.T.
Yeah, sure, but I guess you misunderstood what I meant. Federer is fluent in multiple languages. Like many people from Switzerland are. It is a great tool kit, and adds to the opportunities you have. Also adds to the man of the world image of his.

I did not mean it in a way that "Federer is better at learning languages" or whatever, or meaning to put down Nadal's language skills. Nadal knows Spanish, which cover a lot of the world, and his English skills are certainly sufficient, and I assume he is ok in Italian as well. Djokovic apparently speaks many languages as well. But I assume his fluency is more "taught", meaning not as "native".
Spanish is actually Rafa's second language. His native language is the Mallorcan variety of Catalan. (It differs from Catalan spoken in Barcelona, the capital of Catalonia.) Rafa is capable of giving interviews in English & italian. He understands French and can speak a little bit French.
So, he can speak a lot of languages.
 

weelie

Semi-Pro
Spanish is actually Rafa's second language. His native language is the Mallorcan variety of Catalan. (It differs from Catalan spoken in Barcelona, the capital of Catalonia.) Rafa is capable of giving interviews in English & italian. He understands French and can speak a little bit French.
So, he can speak a lot of languages.
Good for him! I am rooting him to take the US Open this year.

But still I think knowing something like Catalan is pretty useless for universal star power and crossover appeal. I might be wrong.
 
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