Tennis Players' Fitness and the Age Question

First of all, I realize that this discussion has happened before, but I was hoping to shed some more light on the topic by having a multi-faceted discussion. Positive and helpful responses are appreciated.

First point about age decline in tennis: Yes, the offseason is non-existent. Is this the main contributor for tennis players "falling off" in their late twenties and barely competing in their thirties? Or is it simply a fact that tennis players do not work as hard on fitness as athletes in other sports, particularly American team sports.

Do athletes truly begin an unstoppable physical decline in their twenties, or is this more of a motivational question? Many players like Sampras and Bruguera have commented that at about 30 they could just feel that they were done, and Muster commented in similar fashion despite having his most productive years later in his career.

For a point of comparison, take NFL athletes. At the Wide Reciever position, let's examine Terrell Owens and Donald Driver, players who have had arguably their best years in their thirties, 34 and 32, respectively. TO had possibly his best year this year, being voted all-pro and pro-bowl at age 34. Nobody even knew who Donald Driver was until he was around 30, and was voted pro-bowl this year and all-pro last year at age 31. Both of these players had prime years at an age where common wisdom says that they should be declining. Is this the result of superior work ethic (Driver in particular is known for his intense offseason training), a healthy offseason, physical athletic anomalies, or a combination of the three?

At other positions, such as Running Back, Fred Taylor had his best year this year at age 32. In other sports, Michael Jordan played superbly later in his career (not playing for the Bulls) and might have been even better if his teammates had picked up some slack. Zinedine Zidane played well into his 30s and got France into a World Cup Final.

I understand that recovery is an issue and that tennis provides far less time for this both between matches and between seasons, but is total fitness holding players back? When I see someone like Mardy Fish win matches at the top level with close to zero fitness, I wonder if similarly talented but unmotivated players could play into their 30s if they dedicated themselves more. Am I going crazy, or should more players have a post-30 career like Agassi? Thanks for your thoughts!

PS- did anybody see the recent Reuters article on fitness? People who spend 3 hours per week working out intensely are about 9 years biologically (on a DNA level!) younger than average, and this appears to be linear, ie, those who spend 1.5 hours per week working out were 4.5 years biologically younger, etc. Quite simply, intense workouts actually turn back the clock and reverse the aging process! By this standard, dialing up workouts later in life could actually make you younger.
 

BeHappy

Hall of Fame
PS- did anybody see the recent Reuters article on fitness? People who spend 3 hours per week working out intensely are about 9 years biologically (on a DNA level!) younger than average, and this appears to be linear, ie, those who spend 1.5 hours per week working out were 4.5 years biologically younger, etc. Quite simply, intense workouts actually turn back the clock and reverse the aging process! By this standard, dialing up workouts later in life could actually make you younger.

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Moose Malloy

G.O.A.T.
In team sports you never lose your spot(for the most part)
If you're injured you can take your time coming back & not worry about your not getting a chance to play again.

In tennis, you're kinda screwed if you're injured, you almost need to work your way back from nothing to get back to the top. Just look at Ancic, he wasn't gone that long, when he came back his ranking dropped a lot & he had to play seeded guys in early rounds, does that seem fair? The guy was ranked 10 a year ago, shouldn't he be allowed to get that seeding in at least a few events? Its not like his ranking dropped because of poor play, does his current ranking really seem fair? Now imagine that happening when you've been on tour for 10+ years, its undersandable if you just decide its not worth it anymore.

Or Joachim Johansson, the guy can still play, just not play a full schedule anymore, so he hangs it up. Imagine if they gave him his old ranking & seeding for just a couple events a year, he could do damage, maybe even win an event. That's sort of what guys in team sports can do, just show up with their old 'seeding.'

Also keep in mind that most guys settle down, have kids etc when they are in their early 30s/late 20s. Is the life of a tennis player really ideal for that lifestyle? There is no settling down, it is a lot to ask for your wife/kids, etc.

But in team sports, you can have a normal life. half your games are home. & away games are just within the country, not halfway around the world.

And keep in mind that most pros are teenagers when they turn pro, are there any teenagers in the NFL? not many 17 year olds in the nba either.

Too many get caught up with the age of tennis players when they retire, & not the amount of years they are pro. Sampras retired at 31, but was a fulltime pro for 15 years. In most team sports, 15 years is a pretty long time, no one would be considered 'young' or retiring to soon if they were a 15 year veteran in a team sport.

But in terms of fitness, I believe many injuries can be prevented by more extensive weight training. Guys like Karlovic, Isner(even Safin) have very scrawny legs, no wonder they have(or will have) knee problems, they don't have great support for those sharp movements. Hitting the gym at a younger age can help you a lot later in life imo.
 
DR,
I like where you're coming from. Not being a pro player though, I may not know firsthand how much burnout and injury plays a role. Obviously, that's what they talk about when they're quitting pro tennis. But basketball is an interesting analogy, because many guys play well in their 30s, and their skills are highly developed at that point. Football players, because they play much less, I don't think it's the same. They're just not running as much. 16 games a year. But in basketball, they're playing 80-something games, just like tennis players are playing that many or often fewer matches a year. If they stay fit, their knowledge should account for more, and they should have an edge, one would think. I think Agassi showed that you can play longer if you really work on your fitness. And Andre's serve didn't help that cause, because it rarely got him free points like Sampras' did, so he had to run a lot.
Hewitt, though, busts his butt, but is slowly sliding in the rankings. I think that his example shows that older tennis players simply have to have some offensive weapons. Running all day is simply not the recipe for older players.
Federer has talked about playing into his mid thirties. I hope he does, because he stays fit and works on things constantly and doesn't get sidetracked like so many past champions did. It would be nice to see a thirty-something guy win a slam or two. And his DNA will be on like, a twenty-something level....
 
I totally agree. Tennis needs to have older players still competing (and doing well) into their 30's. It's a little ridiculous that we don't. We have had a few like Bjorkman, Agassi etc, but for the most part you're considered a veteran by the time you hit your late 20's. Whereas in other sports they're mid-career.

I don't think we can place the blame specifically on one thing. It has to be spread across a few areas;

Schedule - I believe the greatest factor though is just the demands of the tour. Tennis, and I still don't know why after decades of complaints, should have an off season. It doesn't have to be as long a hiatus as some other sports, but at least a little time for some R&R. If you were to make a list of some of the really good players that were sidelined a lot due to injuries, it would be a really long list. For example T.Martin & R.Krajicek. Both great players that were just plagued by some bad injuries. With Martin playing on the Outback Tour now, they obviously play a lot less and he's better for it. Most of the people on the tour are still decently fit, just to do it day in and day out, that's a different story.

Fitness - I think the second factor would then have to be fitness. Although it's tough because for the most part, tennis players I believe are pretty damn fit. I guess they could work out more in the gym, but then again it's hard to take time away from the court.

Traveling - Tennis players are home maybe a month or two out of the entire year. That's crazy. You know what traveling does to you. It makes you tired and stressed. Not to mention when you factor in that your body is always having to get accustomed to new times zones, food, people etc. You're living out of a suitcase and for the most part splitting rooming costs with a bunch of friends/tour players. Unless you're part of the few that have the money to have a jet and pay for room/board yourself.

Style of Play - I think style of play and technique can greatly affect a person's career, or length of it rather. Take someone who has the big serve (as someone stated prior to my post) and a big shot. They usually have to work a lot less than someone who is constantly scrambling to win points. Technique-wise, I think generally those with fluid strokes (Sampras, Fed, Agassi) will be able to play tennis a lot longer than those with strokes which are more modern. I really don't know what coaches are thinking when they start teaching some children/people how to play. Look for example at Pat Rafter's serve. Good serve, used it to be effective. But look at the toll it took on his career. Why would you teach someone a serve that puts that much pressure on your shoulder instead of a nice, easy flowing motion like Sampras'?

I digress. I think all in all, if the ATP was to give the players a decent break for R&R then we'd have more hype around the game (because there would be less of it) and better quality as players could be resting and getting more time to be fit.
 

dadadas

Semi-Pro
I totally agree. Tennis needs to have older players still competing (and doing well) into their 30's. It's a little ridiculous that we don't. We have had a few like Bjorkman, Agassi etc, but for the most part you're considered a veteran by the time you hit your late 20's. Whereas in other sports they're mid-career.

I don't think we can place the blame specifically on one thing. It has to be spread across a few areas;

Schedule - I believe the greatest factor though is just the demands of the tour. Tennis, and I still don't know why after decades of complaints, should have an off season. It doesn't have to be as long a hiatus as some other sports, but at least a little time for some R&R. If you were to make a list of some of the really good players that were sidelined a lot due to injuries, it would be a really long list. For example T.Martin & R.Krajicek. Both great players that were just plagued by some bad injuries. With Martin playing on the Outback Tour now, they obviously play a lot less and he's better for it. Most of the people on the tour are still decently fit, just to do it day in and day out, that's a different story.

Fitness - I think the second factor would then have to be fitness. Although it's tough because for the most part, tennis players I believe are pretty damn fit. I guess they could work out more in the gym, but then again it's hard to take time away from the court.

Traveling - Tennis players are home maybe a month or two out of the entire year. That's crazy. You know what traveling does to you. It makes you tired and stressed. Not to mention when you factor in that your body is always having to get accustomed to new times zones, food, people etc. You're living out of a suitcase and for the most part splitting rooming costs with a bunch of friends/tour players. Unless you're part of the few that have the money to have a jet and pay for room/board yourself.

Style of Play - I think style of play and technique can greatly affect a person's career, or length of it rather. Take someone who has the big serve (as someone stated prior to my post) and a big shot. They usually have to work a lot less than someone who is constantly scrambling to win points. Technique-wise, I think generally those with fluid strokes (Sampras, Fed, Agassi) will be able to play tennis a lot longer than those with strokes which are more modern. I really don't know what coaches are thinking when they start teaching some children/people how to play. Look for example at Pat Rafter's serve. Good serve, used it to be effective. But look at the toll it took on his career. Why would you teach someone a serve that puts that much pressure on your shoulder instead of a nice, easy flowing motion like Sampras'?

I digress. I think all in all, if the ATP was to give the players a decent break for R&R then we'd have more hype around the game (because there would be less of it) and better quality as players could be resting and getting more time to be fit.

LOL, now fans complain about weak era
 
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