Tennis Podcast Player of The year: Catherine Whitaker says Nadal, David Law-Fed/Nadal tie

fedtennisphan

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Federer fan says Nadal fan is pressed because arrogant Nadal fans underestimated Federer and now is trying to save face.
 

octogon

Hall of Fame
Federer fan says Nadal fan is pressed because arrogant Nadal fans underestimated Federer and now is trying to save face.

LOL!

Unfortunately for you, Federer's slave Peter Bodo isn't going to be voting outright for Federer in most of the end of year awards by tennis journalists.

Metro vote Nadal. Catherine Whitaker votes Nadal. David Law can't split Nadal and Federer.

Only the guy who has Roger Federer books to sell outright picks Federer.
 
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Tiki-Taka

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There are rankings to determine who has been the player of the year. I don't understand why is this debate still going. Last year it was even tighter between the top two guys and we didn't have such big and long arguments as we have now.
 

Otacon

Hall of Fame
This is the first time in the Open Era that two players have split all four Grand Slam events between them. Furthermore, the lowest ranked player between the two has beaten the other 4 times in 4 matches, has won more tournaments and has a better overall record. So determining the player of the season is not as straightforward as some want to believe.
 

mike danny

Bionic Poster
There are rankings to determine who has been the player of the year. I don't understand why is this debate still going. Last year it was even tighter between the top two guys and we didn't have such big and long arguments as we have now.
Simple. Last year it was about Djokovic and Murray, this year isn't ;)
 
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Tiki-Taka

Guest
Simple. Last year it was about Djokovic and Murray, this year isn't ;)
Yes but they have a solid number of fans too. It felt like they were just too content last season to argue, which is something that should have happened this seasons as well.
 

fedtennisphan

Hall of Fame
LOL!

Unfortunately for you, Federer's slave Peter Bodo isn't going to be voting outright for Federer in most of the end of year awards by tennis journalists.

Metro vote Nadal. Catherine Whitaker votes Nadal. David Law can't split Nadal and Federer.

Only the guy who has Roger Federer books to sell outright picks Federer.

Zzzz.....Triggered much?
 

Tennisanity

Legend
Whitaker actually said Nadal barely edges out Fed and that she can see arguments for putting Fed ahead too. She also chastised Law for calling a tie and if he had to choose Law would have picked Federer. So no, most are not leaning towards Nadal. The facts indicate Fed was the best player of the year. Before you chime in about rankings....Wozniaki. It's irrelevant she didn't win a slam, she was #1, that's the bottom line. LOLLLLLL
 

octogon

Hall of Fame
Whitaker actually said Nadal barely edges out Fed and that she can see arguments for putting Fed ahead too. She also chastised Law for calling a tie and if he had to choose Law would have picked Federer. So no, most are not leaning towards Nadal. The facts indicate Fed was the best player of the year. Before you chime in about rankings....Wozniaki. It's irrelevant she didn't win a slam, she was #1, that's the bottom line. LOLLLLLL

Whitaker chose Nadal. Law called it tie (that was his final call). So far, no tennis journalist without Roger Federer books on Amazon has outright picked Fed.
 

Tennisanity

Legend
Whitaker chose Nadal. Law called it tie (that was his final call). So far, no tennis journalist without Roger Federer books on Amazon has outright picked Fed.

Whitaker said she could understand arguments for Fed as well. She was really on the fence if you presented it honestly, but in the end she chose Nadal yes, but just by a hair. Law on the other hand went down the middle but definitely favoured Federer, again if you presented it honestly.
 

TMF

Talk Tennis Guru
I don't understand why it bothers the OP so much just because Federer is the best player in 2017.

No matter how much he pushes his agenda, it's fruitless because statistically, Federer had better results/numbers.
 

Bobby Jr

G.O.A.T.
The best thing about this year is for years pro-Nadal people have said "but he beat Federer at the French... or wherever... " and "you can't be the best when your closest rival has beaten you more often than not (regardless of results)."

But now we have a year when the shoe is completely on the other foot in addition to their bigger tournament results being in Federer's favour (not to even mention he did it 5 years further out of his prime) and suddenly all those people ditch the logic they've used for years to elevate Nadal's standing and grown very short memories. It's comical at-best.
 

every7

Hall of Fame
Catherine Whitaker is like a entry level worker in journalism compared to Peter Bodo who is like the COO.

I don't agree with Bodo here, but I do think he is an excellent tennis writer generally and a great writer about modern power baseline tennis (on which he is expert). Catherine Whitaker is indeed no comparison but I don't think she considers herself a tennis writer anyway. More of a general tennis Radio / TV broadcaster who shares her opinions on the game in that capacity.

The best thing about this year is for years pro-Nadal people have said "but he beat Federer at the French... or wherever... " and "you can't be the best when your closest rival has beaten you more often than not (regardless of results)."

But now we have a year when the shoe is completely on the other foot in addition to their bigger tournament results being in Federer's favour (not to even mention he did it 5 years further out of his prime) and suddenly all those people ditch the logic they've used for years to elevate Nadal's standing and grown very short memories. It's comical at-best.

For those that rate the head to head statistic in support of Rafa, it would be crazy to abandon it at this stage. It still favours Nadal by quite a margin.

The statistic gets used selectively which always caused debate: Some people focus just on the head to head in majors, where Nadal has an insurmountable lead. Other people prefer to use the head to head while eliminating results on Nadal's strongest surface :eek:

I think the head to head is an interesting curio, and certainly in some sort of bizarre "Tie-break" scenario it is definitely worth citing. In debates about ATGs a great conversation starter is always "how did they go against their biggest rival(s)?" In the next 5-10 we will be framing this question around either Federer, Nadal or Djokovic depending on how the dust settles on the careers of these amazing players.

Of course you can't get to be great without first mastering the field.......
 
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octogon

Hall of Fame
The best thing about this year is for years pro-Nadal people have said "but he beat Federer at the French... or wherever... " and "you can't be the best when your closest rival has beaten you more often than not (regardless of results)."

But now we have a year when the shoe is completely on the other foot in addition to their bigger tournament results being in Federer's favour (not to even mention he did it 5 years further out of his prime) and suddenly all those people ditch the logic they've used for years to elevate Nadal's standing and grown very short memories. It's comical at-best.

A year does not a career make. The H2H advantadge Nadal has over Federer over the course of the entire careers and at Grand Slam level is HUGE, and will always be used to elevate Nadal's standing over Federer.

There have been years when Nadal smashed Fed in their H2H, but Fed performed better against the field. No sane Nadal fan was claiming Nadal was the player of the year just because he beat Fed in the H2H over the course of a year. But when it comes to the course of their careers, considering their standing as all-time Great, GOAT contenders and 1 and 2 in the Grand slam title ranks, damn straight H2H will be a huge factor in evaluating their entire careers. And Nadal is going to win that one.

The problem Fed fans have (which they didn't used to) is that Nadal's achievements are now so great and legendary, that they can't dismiss the overall H2H as Nadal being Fed's "kryptonite". Nadal, over the course of their careers, is simply the better player. Congrats to Fed for clawing a bit of pride back this year in the H2H, but it's too little too late.
 

Bobby Jr

G.O.A.T.
A year does not a career make. The H2H advantadge Nadal has over Federer over the course of the entire careers and at Grand Slam level is HUGE, and will always be used to elevate Nadal's standing over Federer.
Tennis Podcast Player of The Year.

It's pretty self-explanatory really.
 

TheFifthSet

Legend
The problem Fed fans have (which they didn't used to) is that Nadal's achievements are now so great and legendary, that they can't dismiss the overall H2H as Nadal being Fed's "kryptonite".

So that retroactively makes our evaluations of Fed's 06, 07 and 09 years problematic? Nonsense. If anything, Nadal crafting this legendary career for himself makes Federer's woes against Nadal easier to explain, and more than just a match-up issue.

The problem Nadal fans have (since we're in the business of treating fans of a certain player as monoliths) is that the h2h is obviously more relevant this year than in any other year where they finished 1-2 in the rankings. In 2005, they were 1-1 (with Nadal 1-0 in majors) but Federer was decisively superior against the field. Ditto for 2006, 2007 (where Fed edged Nadal 3-2), and 2009. Each year Federer was the best player on tour by leaps and bounds, yet Nadal's shadow loomed over him.

This year, Nadal and Federer are neck-and-neck against the field and it is all but certain that if the situations were reversed, Nadal fans would vent about it.
 
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cc0509

Talk Tennis Guru
Oh my God! Guys, can we just say that Nadal and Federer had equally good years? Nadal did better at all the slams and Federer won an extra Masters 1000. They both won two slams. If Federer wanted to run away with it, he needed to win the WTF and he didn't. It's a draw!
 

True Fanerer

G.O.A.T.
Some real stupidity in a couple posts. Contribute intelligence if you're going to be here. Its ok to be wrong but don't be ignorant or unwilling to learn. I learn something everyday.

If you are going to be the first response to a thread, at least don't sound like an idiot that can't make a sentence.
 
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every7

Hall of Fame
So that retroactively makes our evaluations of Fed's 06, 07 and 09 years problematic? Nonsense. If anything, Nadal crafting this legendary career for himself makes Federer's woes against Nadal easier to explain, and more than just a match-up issue.

The problem Nadal fans have (since we're in the business of treating fans of a certain player as monoliths) is that the h2h is obviously more relevant this year than in any other year where they finished 1-2. In 2005, they were 1-1 (with Nadal 1-0 in majors) but Federer was decisively superior against the field. Ditto for 2006, 2007 (where Fed edged Nadal 3-2), and 2009. Each year Federer was the best player on tour by leaps and bounds, yet Nadal's shadow loomed over him.

This year, Nadal and Federer are neck-and-neck against the field and it is all but certain that if the situations were reversed, Nadal fans would vent about it.

Very interesting remarks here. Never thought about it in quite this way before.

What other years besides this one do you think the two players came closest to parity with each other in terms of their strength against the field?

For me this year has been so satisfying because Nadal really mastered consistant dominance of the field while also playing an absolutely packed calendar. For someone his age this sort of embarrassment of riches is uncharted territory (hence the oldest YE#1 mantle).

BUT..... there's that "Federer problem"...... I would love to see him try and solve it next year but I really hope there's a way to do it without taking his eye off the ball in terms of how consistent he was against the field this year.

We will have to wait and see. Yet another reason to really look forward to AO2018.
 
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merlinpinpin

Hall of Fame
Whitaker has Nadal as the outright player of the year

And the reason she gives for her choice is that, to her, Nadal winning RG and USO and finishing #1 was more of a surprise than Federer winning AO and Wimbledon after 6 months off the tour and finishing #2 at 36. :eek: Shows her trust in Rafa ("I know that even at 36 and riddled with injury, Federer is much better than prime Nadal, so of course Rafa ending up #1 was a shocker for me!") :p
 

merlinpinpin

Hall of Fame
It doesn't.

That is what happened in 2017.

And the VB feels it.


:cool:

Yeah, H2H is actually an embarrassment to VB right now, because any way you spin it, there's just no way you can make it look good. As some of them would say, there's just NO EXCUSES (RIP 90's Clay) to losing five times in a row (and the last three pretty convincingly, too) to a 36-year old, iffy-back recreational player (only played 12 tournaments this year) that you were supposed to 'own' according to party propaganda.
 
Yeah, H2H is actually an embarrassment to VB right now, because any way you spin it, there's just no way you can make it look good. As some of them would say, there's just NO EXCUSES (RIP 90's Clay) to losing five times in a row (and the last three pretty convincingly, too) to a 36-year old, iffy-back recreational player (only played 12 tournaments this year) that you were supposed to 'own' according to party propaganda.

It is actually a lot worse than just being owned in an unprecedented (obviously for this rivalry) manner.

The H2H now is well within the normal for their age difference, so it is not the "lopsided affair" it was supposed to be.

If Nadal had won, say, 4 of their 5 last meetings ( something that should have been expected and normal for a so much younger player playing against a tennis dinosaur), it would have been 27-11 with Nadal having dominance over two surfaces.

Instead it is 23-15 with 5 years age difference.

:cool:
 
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octogon

Hall of Fame
LOL!

If anyone is trying a bit too hard to convince themselves that the H2H issue is no longer a problem for Fed, it's his fans. It's still pretty bad, and the Grand Slam H2H will always be horrific for Fed (9-3). Nadal slaughtered Federer like a stuck pig for so many years in Grand Slams. I'll still be surprised if Federer gets another grand slam win against Nadal, as he only barely eked out a 5 set win in Australia '17 (first slam win against Nadal in a decade) and Fed was given every adavantadge in Australia.

Fed is running scared of Nadal on clay, afraid of facing him on the surface because of the H2H and what wins on Clay would do for Nadal's confidence on other surfaces against him. You think Federer's cowardice in skipping the clay season entirely this year hasn't been noted, and that not's a black mark against him?

If Fed meets Nadal on every surface (including Clay, which I know Fed fans hate to count), the H2H will start to look very ugly again for Fed. Nadal will demolish him on clay, and because he takes confidence from wins on any surface, he'll end up beating Fed everywhere else as well. Fed's age doesn't mean a goddamned thing. If you can win 2 slams in a year and end it ranked no.2 in the world, then you are still one of the best players in the world. It's a dumb as saying players in their 20's should be embarrassed about losing to a Serena Williams who is still playing at the highest level in her mid 30's.

It'd only be embarrassing for Nadal if Fed was no longer a dominant player on the tour and ranked low. Unable to win slams, but able to beat Nadal who himself was dominating the tour.
 

Djokovic2011

Bionic Poster
LOL!

If anyone is trying a bit too hard to convince themselves that the H2H issue is no longer a problem for Fed, it's his fans. It's still pretty bad, and the Grand Slam H2H will always be horrific for Fed (9-3). Nadal slaughtered Federer like a stuck pig for so many years in Grand Slams. I'll still be surprised if Federer gets another grand slam win against Nadal, as he only barely eked out a 5 set win in Australia '17 (first slam win against Nadal in a decade) and Fed was given every adavantadge in Australia.

Fed is running scared of Nadal on clay, afraid of facing him on the surface because of the H2H and what wins on Clay would do for Nadal's confidence on other surfaces against him. You think Federer's cowardice in skipping the clay season entirely this year hasn't been noted, and that not's a black mark against him?

If Fed meets Nadal on every surface (including Clay, which I know Fed fans hate to count), the H2H will start to look very ugly again for Fed. Nadal will demolish him on clay, and because he takes confidence from wins on any surface, he'll end up beating Fed everywhere else as well. Fed's age doesn't mean a goddamned thing. If you can win 2 slams in a year and end it ranked no.2 in the world, then you are still one of the best players in the world. It's a dumb as saying players in their 20's should be embarrassed about losing to a Serena Williams who is still playing at the highest level in her mid 30's.

It'd only be embarrassing for Nadal if Fed was no longer a dominant player on the tour and ranked low. Unable to win slams, but able to beat Nadal who himself was dominating the tour.
I definitely agree with that last paragraph.
 

SpinToWin

Talk Tennis Guru
Some real stupidity in a couple posts. Contribute intelligence if you're going to be here. Its ok to be wrong but don't be ignorant or unwilling to learn. I learn something everyday.

If you are going to be the first response to a thread, at least don't sound like an idiot that can't make a sentence.
Thou art so humble and kind, good sir.
 
LOL!

If anyone is trying a bit too hard to convince themselves that the H2H issue is no longer a problem for Fed, it's his fans. It's still pretty bad, and the Grand Slam H2H will always be horrific for Fed (9-3). Nadal slaughtered Federer like a stuck pig for so many years in Grand Slams. I'll still be surprised if Federer gets another grand slam win against Nadal, as he only barely eked out a 5 set win in Australia '17 (first slam win against Nadal in a decade) and Fed was given every adavantadge in Australia.

Fed is running scared of Nadal on clay, afraid of facing him on the surface because of the H2H and what wins on Clay would do for Nadal's confidence on other surfaces against him. You think Federer's cowardice in skipping the clay season entirely this year hasn't been noted, and that not's a black mark against him?

If Fed meets Nadal on every surface (including Clay, which I know Fed fans hate to count), the H2H will start to look very ugly again for Fed. Nadal will demolish him on clay, and because he takes confidence from wins on any surface, he'll end up beating Fed everywhere else as well. Fed's age doesn't mean a goddamned thing. If you can win 2 slams in a year and end it ranked no.2 in the world, then you are still one of the best players in the world. It's a dumb as saying players in their 20's should be embarrassed about losing to a Serena Williams who is still playing at the highest level in her mid 30's.

It'd only be embarrassing for Nadal if Fed was no longer a dominant player on the tour and ranked low. Unable to win slams, but able to beat Nadal who himself was dominating the tour.

What a panegyric at the altar of the Holy church of the saltiness of the last years!

:cool:
 

merlinpinpin

Hall of Fame
It'd only be embarrassing for Nadal if Fed was no longer a dominant player on the tour and ranked low. Unable to win slams, but able to beat Nadal who himself was dominating the tour.

Funny. Once again, the official speech seems to have shifted 180°. Remember: previously, it was much, much better to lose to nobodies in the first round than to your biggest rivals in the final, because that's what real warriors do and it preserves the H2H. And now, suddenly, it's okay to lose to your biggest rivals, but it would be embarrassing to lose to nobodies? At the rate this is going, a whole book won't be enough to cover the VB inconsistencies for this year alone. :D

It is actually a lot worse than just being owned in an unprecedented (obviously for this rivalry) manner.

The H2H now is well within the normal for their age difference, so it is not the "lopsided affair" it was supposed to be.

If Nadal had won, say, 4 of their 5 last meetings ( something that should have been expected and normal for a so much younger player playing against a tennis dinosaur), it would have been 27-11 with Nadal having dominance over two surfaces.

Instead it is 23-15 with 5 years age difference.

:cool:

Indeed. And good thing for Nadal that he played Federer a lot in 2013 and was 'skillful' enough to avoid him all the time in 2014/2015, otherwise the H2H might actually be in Fed's favour at this stage. Now, let's see what 2018 brings. More dodging, perhaps, or more chances to see how 'meaningful' H2H suddenly is for VB? ;)
 

cc0509

Talk Tennis Guru
LOL!

If anyone is trying a bit too hard to convince themselves that the H2H issue is no longer a problem for Fed, it's his fans. It's still pretty bad, and the Grand Slam H2H will always be horrific for Fed (9-3). Nadal slaughtered Federer like a stuck pig for so many years in Grand Slams. I'll still be surprised if Federer gets another grand slam win against Nadal, as he only barely eked out a 5 set win in Australia '17 (first slam win against Nadal in a decade) and Fed was given every adavantadge in Australia.

Fed is running scared of Nadal on clay, afraid of facing him on the surface because of the H2H and what wins on Clay would do for Nadal's confidence on other surfaces against him. You think Federer's cowardice in skipping the clay season entirely this year hasn't been noted, and that not's a black mark against him?

If Fed meets Nadal on every surface (including Clay, which I know Fed fans hate to count), the H2H will start to look very ugly again for Fed. Nadal will demolish him on clay, and because he takes confidence from wins on any surface, he'll end up beating Fed everywhere else as well. Fed's age doesn't mean a goddamned thing. If you can win 2 slams in a year and end it ranked no.2 in the world, then you are still one of the best players in the world. It's a dumb as saying players in their 20's should be embarrassed about losing to a Serena Williams who is still playing at the highest level in her mid 30's.

It'd only be embarrassing for Nadal if Fed was no longer a dominant player on the tour and ranked low. Unable to win slams, but able to beat Nadal who himself was dominating the tour.

Oh, shut up already! :rolleyes:

Nobody sane is saying the h2h is irrelevant between Nadal and Federer but at the end of the day, their slam counts and weeks @ #1 is more important. In the past, Nadal beat Federer way too many times but right now we are in 2017 and in 2017, Nadal had few answers vs Federer on a tennis court.

It's not dumb to say that an ATG should be beating another ATG who is five or six years older. It's common sense.
 

octogon

Hall of Fame
Oh, shut up already! :rolleyes:

Nobody sane is saying the h2h is irrelevant between Nadal and Federer but at the end of the day, their slam counts and weeks @ #1 is more important. In the past, Nadal beat Federer way too many times but right now we are in 2017 and in 2017, Nadal had few answers vs Federer on a tennis court.

It's not dumb to say that an ATG should be beating another ATG who is five or six years older. It's common sense.

"Shut up already".:cool:

Losing your cool isn't a good look. Funny that the Djokovic fan on this thread with no axe to grind agrees that it's no big deal for a dominant world no.2 to still be capable of beating a dominant world no.1 regardless of age differential, yet the Federer fans insist it should be some mark of shame because Fed is 36. If Fed was what 36 used to be in tennis years, he'd be on the seniors tour right now instead of winning grand slams. The game changes. Players are now peaking in the early late 20's and 30''s (like Wawrinka) and teenagers are no longer capable of being dominant on tour. Fed still being a dominant player at 36 and Rafa still being a dominant player at 31 with so much milage on the clock is just part of that paradigm shift in the game which Federer bots refuse to acknowledge. Age literally ain't nothing but a number.

It's an incredibly dumb argument, and I won't be shutting up about how dumb it is.Sorrynotsorry.
 
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fedtennisphan

Hall of Fame
Oh, shut up already! :rolleyes:

Nobody sane is saying the h2h is irrelevant between Nadal and Federer but at the end of the day, their slam counts and weeks @ #1 is more important. In the past, Nadal beat Federer way too many times but right now we are in 2017 and in 2017, Nadal had few answers vs Federer on a tennis court.

It's not dumb to say that an ATG should be beating another ATG who is five or six years older. It's common sense.

Frustrated Nadal trolls like this one are only pushing their agenda because Federer won more than expected this year especially against Nadal. The desperation is starting to set in with them.
 

octogon

Hall of Fame
Frustrated Nadal trolls like this one are only pushing their agenda because Federer won more than expected this year especially against Nadal. The desperation is starting to set in with them.

Surprised you didn't accuse the Nole fan who agreed with me a "Nadal troll" or member of the "VB brigade". That's the usual weak sauce tactic you guys use to snuff out dissent against your god, right:)
 
"Shut up already".:cool:

Losing your cool isn't a good look. Funny that the Djokovic fan on this thread with no axe to grind agrees that it's no big deal for a dominant world no.2 to still be capable of beating a dominant world no.1 regardless of age differential, yet the Federer fans insist it should be some mark of shame because Fed is 36. If Fed was what 36 used to be in tennis years, he'd be on the seniors tour right now instead of winning grand slams. The game changes. Players are now peaking in the early late 20's and 30''s (like Wawrinka) and teenagers are no longer capable of being dominant on tour. Fed still being a dominant player at 36 and Rafa still being a dominant player at 31 with so much milage on the clock is just part of that paradigm shift in the game which Federer bots refuse to acknowledge. Age literally ain't nothing but a number.

It's an incredibly dumb argument, and I won't be shutting up about how dumb it is.Sorrynotsorry.

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Tennisanity

Legend
Or Davydenko-Nadal

The problem with Davy is that the turds come up with a bunch of excuses all of a sudden like lack of slam H2H and Davy has not won a slam. The dummies don't realize that it's worse to have a losing H2H against a journeyman rather than an all-time great.

But they can't do that with Djokovic, so the Djoko-Nadal H2H is rarely mentioned. It is to laugh :).
 

octogon

Hall of Fame
But they can't do that with Djokovic, so the Djoko-Nadal H2H is rarely mentioned. It is to laugh :).

LOL!

You are delusional. No Nadal fan is worried about talking about the Djokovic H2H, because it's close to even overall (Djokovic only having a 2 match lead in over 50 matches played).And Nadal has a gigantic lead in biggest matches (9-4) in slams.

I frickin love talking about the Djokovic H2H, because it's so damn close and shows Nadal managed to dominate a guy in slams whose highest level might be higher than Federer. The Djokovic H2H is a good look for Nadal.
 

TMF

Talk Tennis Guru
LOL!

You are delusional. No Nadal fan is worried about talking about the Djokovic H2H, because it's close to even overall (Djokovic only having a 2 match lead in over 50 matches played).And Nadal has a gigantic lead in biggest matches (9-4) in slams.

I frickin love talking about the Djokovic H2H, because it's so damn close and shows Nadal managed to dominate a guy in slams whose highest level might be higher than Federer. The Djokovic H2H is a good look for Nadal.

But still, Nole has a positive H2H against Nadal. Logic by VB say

Nole > Nadal > Federer

oh wait...

Federer > Davydenko > Nadal, or
Davydenko > Nadal > Federer
 

merlinpinpin

Hall of Fame
LOL!

You are delusional. No Nadal fan is worried about talking about the Djokovic H2H, because it's close to even overall (Djokovic only having a 2 match lead in over 50 matches played).And Nadal has a gigantic lead in biggest matches (9-4) in slams.

I frickin love talking about the Djokovic H2H, because it's so damn close and shows Nadal managed to dominate a guy in slams whose highest level might be higher than Federer. The Djokovic H2H is a good look for Nadal.

"Positive H2H is great, because it makes Nadal look good."

"Negative H2H is even better, because it makes Nadal look good, too."

"Oh, and did I tell you how glorious neutral H2H is, btw? Because, you know, tennis is all about H2H, so it's important to have all your bases covered."

Spindoctoring at its finest... :D
 

Tennisanity

Legend
"Positive H2H is great, because it makes Nadal look good."

"Negative H2H is even better, because it makes Nadal look good, too."

"Oh, and did I tell you how glorious neutral H2H is, btw? Because, you know, tennis is all about H2H, so it's important to have all your bases covered."

Spindoctoring at its finest... :D

Yup, pretty much. It's hilarious the gymnastics the turds have to do to make everything look rosy for Nadal.
 

octogon

Hall of Fame
"Positive H2H is great, because it makes Nadal look good."

"Negative H2H is even better, because it makes Nadal look good, too."

"Oh, and did I tell you how glorious neutral H2H is, btw? Because, you know, tennis is all about H2H, so it's important to have all your bases covered."

Spindoctoring at its finest... :D

It's not spin doctoring ya clown;). If Fed was only 2 matches behind Nadal overall and was at least even in the slam H2H, then H2H no longer becomes much of a factor to separate them. It's too close, which I'm sure all the Federer puppets would happily point out.

The Djokovic H2H doesn' hurt Nadal"s GOAT claim. At all.

The Nadal H2H (for Fed), hurts Fed"s GOAT claim.

Learn the difference. I know nuance is an alien concept to some Fed fans, but really, it's a thing.
 

Djokovic2011

Bionic Poster
LOL!

You are delusional. No Nadal fan is worried about talking about the Djokovic H2H, because it's close to even overall (Djokovic only having a 2 match lead in over 50 matches played).And Nadal has a gigantic lead in biggest matches (9-4) in slams.

I frickin love talking about the Djokovic H2H, because it's so damn close and shows Nadal managed to dominate a guy in slams whose highest level might be higher than Federer. The Djokovic H2H is a good look for Nadal.
I think you could argue that Nadal's H2H with Djokovic is indeed respectable given that Novak has been by far his toughest matchup, just like I believe Novak has done well to be ahead of Federer(albeit slightly) as I've always felt Roger has the advantage in that rivalry due to his serve and variety even though some crazy Fed fans on here believe Novak should be leading by a huge deficit in the H2H simply because of the age difference lol.
 
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