Let’s create a petition thread for TR.com to return.
Think UTR has emerged on top of the heap (With no competitors even in play)
Since the start of this thread, my rating and projected rating have been removed. So that's something...
This site was completely useless inaccurate site. It gives false ratings and numbers.or asleep at the wheel. No score pdates for a few months it seems.
Well I can find some delinations across the measurements: 5 Utr should expect a bump to 4.0 ntrp, 7 utr should expect a bump to 4.5 ntrp. This covers almost 95% of rec players.In terms of overall ratings systems perhaps, but until USTA leagues switches to UTR there will always be room for sites that estimate players’ dynamic NTRP.
So you're saying that a dude with a UTR of 8 probably shouldn't be playing as a 3.5S?Well I can find some delinations across the measurements: 5 Utr should expect a bump to 4.0 ntrp, 7 utr should expect a bump to 4.5 ntrp. This covers almost 95% of rec players.
UTR does have a doubles and singles separate rating, so that has to be considered also.
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Uh no, an 8 utr is solidly 4.5 ntrp, singles or doubs.So you're saying that a dude with a UTR of 8 probably shouldn't be playing as a 3.5S?
Good sign: TennisRecord did just pull all of my 2019 matches but hasn't re-estimated my rating yet.
TennisRecord is an exceptionally well designed site with a lot of data mined from the USTA. If you wanted to get the same information from the hot mess that USTA runs you'd have to pull it down yourself, and that's no fun.TR does provide a nice view of information and could be valuable for scouting and filtering your matches in more ways as well as seeing all your results in a single view.
I would wonder how their responsibility is impacted seeing that they are re-publishing someone else's publicly available information. I'm also not sure how the EU can enforce any punishment on an organization who never operates in the EU.Or, the EU’s GDPR rule could be making things difficult. EU citizens, even those in the US, can request to have their data be deleted or face a steep fine. I imagine TR and TLS don’t have a good way to do that
I doubt the USTA cares all that much about UTR scraping data, especially since UTR is actively promoting the sport in the US, and the USTA can only benefit from that. The problem the USTA has with sites like TR and TLS is that they are attempting to mimic the USTA rating and deliberately blurring the line between being an official rating (which they aren't) and just a guess (which they are) in order to promote themselves while spreading potentially misleading information about player ratings. No one is going to say "hey, I'm a UTR 7, why wasn't I bumped to 4.5?", but there are those who will say "TR has me at 4.12, why wasn't I bumped?".Interesting take....UTR is still pulling the data so I doubt it.
If I was USTA, I would prevent it from happening. Why give UTR and other sites free data. UTR isn’t anything without the USTA.
Well, my matches are now updated, but I think they have some bugs to work out. I am a 3.5A, and it gave me a 3.0 for my first match after the 2018 scoring period. But it also used 3.0 for my dynamic, so even though I won a 4.0 match a week later, it only brought me up to mid 3.1x. I think they just need to click up my starting dynamic to 3.5 or 3.51 and it might be good to go.
Depends on the rating of your 4.0 opponent. You may have played someone also playing up that's an average 3.5 player.
Well, my matches are now updated, but I think they have some bugs to work out. I am a 3.5A, and it gave me a 3.0 for my first match after the 2018 scoring period. But it also used 3.0 for my dynamic, so even though I won a 4.0 match a week later, it only brought me up to mid 3.1x. I think they just need to click up my starting dynamic to 3.5 or 3.51 and it might be good to go.
Well, my matches are now updated, but I think they have some bugs to work out. I am a 3.5A, and it gave me a 3.0 for my first match after the 2018 scoring period. But it also used 3.0 for my dynamic, so even though I won a 4.0 match a week later, it only brought me up to mid 3.1x. I think they just need to click up my starting dynamic to 3.5 or 3.51 and it might be good to go.
I think you don't fully understand how their system works. Since you have match history, it uses your history rather than giving you a "starting point". So if USTA dropped you from 3.5C to 3.0C and you appealed back up to 3.5A that has nothing to do with how TR rates your matches ... TR doesn't even look at your rating to create a starting point, because they can't no one can ... except maybe @schmke because he has the black magic.
Your dynamic is fully separated from your USTA rating .... it is only determined by the ratings of the people on the court (the ratings according to TR), the outcome of the match and the math/algorithm that creates the new "rating"
lets make sure it stays permanently sleepor asleep at the wheel. No score pdates for a few months it seems.
Again, shouldn't make any difference .... you appealed DOWN to immediately play UP? odd.No, I was a 4.0 that appealed to 3.5A. So USTA obviously had me at 3.49-3.51, not 3.00. The dynamic used by TR was obviously created by them. One match would not take me from 3.49 to 3.00, no matter what the results.
who you are partnered with in dubs will also make a big difference in the match rating.
Oh, you must be talking about that match where we went to hit volleys in the warm-up at 5.0 sectionals and my partner said to me "I think my contacts are in backwards."
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Again, shouldn't make any difference .... you appealed DOWN to immediately play UP? odd.
Anyway .... look at your entire record 2018 and 2019 ... the dynamic rating should be a continuous progression .... there should be no leaps or wild changes and it has nothing to do with your actual USTA rating. The only place where there can be big fluctuations is in the match ratings .... good days/bad days good opponents/bad opponents .... and who you are partnered with in dubs will also make a big difference in the match rating.
Pretty sure is a bug. Guy that I know appealed from 4.5 to 4.0A had his dynamic start at 3.5. Sounds like their code is assuming players appealed up and not down.
This is correct. So TR is only off 0.49 on you . Perhaps the time they took to improve things hasn't resulted in exactly what they'd hoped ...No, I was a 4.0 that appealed to 3.5A. So USTA obviously had me at 3.49-3.51, not 3.00. The dynamic used by TR was obviously created by them. One match would not take me from 3.49 to 3.00, no matter what the results.
Pretty sure is a bug. Guy that I know appealed from 4.5 to 4.0A had his dynamic start at 3.5. Sounds like their code is assuming players appealed up and not down.
You explained yourself just fine. I noticed the same thing. I played a 4.0A players that had appealed down from 4.5 and for some reason TR had him at 3.51 even though he finished last year at like 3.98 on their site. And he wasn't the only one. Seemed like an obvious bug.I guess I’m not explaining myself well. My only point is that TR maybe has some early season bugs. Yes, my dynamic progression was in the 3.3 to 3.45 range all of 2018 according to TR (a little higher according to the more accurate schmeke). And I was bumped to 4.0 which suggests it finished at 3.51 or so. TR started me at 3.0 to start the season. That seems like a bug to me no matter how bad my first result of the season was.
And I didn’t appeal down to immediately play up. I played 4.0 in the fall in anticipation of getting bumped. I was indeed bumped but appealed and it was granted.
There are a couple of 4.5s from my area that have the "3.51" dynamic rating. One appealed down to 4.0. The other two are 4.5CYou explained yourself just fine. I noticed the same thing. I played a 4.0A players that had appealed down from 4.5 and for some reason TR had him at 3.51 even though he finished last year at like 3.98 on their site. And he wasn't the only one. Seemed like an obvious bug.
There are a couple of 4.5s from my area that have the "3.51" dynamic rating. One appealed down to 4.0. The other two are 4.5C
Similar situation for me. It's now updated from 3.51 to 4.0006. They're obviously working through some issuesYou explained yourself just fine. I noticed the same thing. I played a 4.0A players that had appealed down from 4.5 and for some reason TR had him at 3.51 even though he finished last year at like 3.98 on their site. And he wasn't the only one. Seemed like an obvious bug.
My TR.com rating stayed the same, but something weird happened - looks like someone tried to manually superimpose my men’s rating onto my last two mixed matches, as the math doesn’t add up. If my partner is 3.0, opposing female is 3.0, opposing male is 4.25, and match score is 6-2, 6-1, shouldn’t the match rating be better than 4.3?
Both ladies had match ratings of about 3.0. I was hovering around 4.4 for the last 5 or 6 matches, but now the match ratings for most of them suddenly no longer show up in the current results match details. Which is why I think the 4.3 match rating seems fishy.What's your TR rating? If it was significantly higher than 4.25, maybe not.
Also, were the women's ratings exactly the same or did you use "3.0" as in NTRP 3.0? Because if your partner was significantly stronger than the other women, again, the match rating might be correct.
In either case, you were supposed to win by a wide margin.