Tennis Warehouse: Babolat POP (wristband sensor) Playtest!!

TW Staff

Administrator
Attention Talk Tennis Members:

We will be playtesting a limited number of Babolat POP (sensor wristbands). This device records useful data about your strokes and then the data is uploaded from the device to an app on your smartphone or tablet. This playtest is only for U.S.A Talk Tennis members (lower 48).

IMPORTANT: To be accepted for this playtest, you will also need a smartphone or tablet (Compatible with iOS 7.0+ and Android OS 4.3+). You will need to download the POP app and register (create an account) so you can start using the app. Please do not apply if any of this will be a problem.

The application period has ended. We will notify selected playtesters by Thursday.

We have a limited quantity of POP sensors to playtest. We select playtesters based on a number of factors including previous playtests, message board participation, etc. Due to the very limited number of devices, we will not be able satisfy the large majority of applicants.

This playtest is FREE of charge. The only thing that we require of you is to post your review in this thread by the deadline.

** Reviews are due no later than Friday October 30 **

If you do not post a review, or if your review is clearly lacking effort, you will be excluded from future playtests.

Once you have playtested your Babolat POP and have been able to upload your data to a phone or tablet, please use the following to write your review:
Tennis experience/background:
Describe your playing style (i.e. serve & volley):
Current racquet/string setup:
How many hours did you play with the Babolat POP?
Was the device easy to attach to your wrist?
Was POP a hindrance when playing?
How easy was it to upload and view the data on the app?
What did you like about the app?
What did you dislike about the app?
Was there anything you thought was missing?
How did you use the data you received from the app?
What was your overall impression of the sensor?

TW Staff

PS: We request you not post "Email Sent" posts to this thread. All of those posts will be deleted. Feel free to post questions or comments.

Learn more about the device here:
http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/descpage-BPOP.html
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scotus

G.O.A.T.
I would like to see a vibration dampener version of this sort of sensors. I think that the stringbed would really be the best place from which to gather info such as racquethead speed, sweetspot targeting, etc.
 

Chipnkick

Rookie
I look forward to participating in this playtest and others in the future. Hope I and others may be accepted! Good luck and happy playing.
 

djNEiGht

Legend
I would like to see a vibration dampener version of this sort of sensors. I think that the stringbed would really be the best place from which to gather info such as racquethead speed, sweetspot targeting, etc.

I think there was a company (can't remember the name) that had a dampener system you are talking about. There was a thread about it.
 

Devil_dog

Hall of Fame
This device has me intrigued. I could never justify any of the Babolat PLAY models due to price and specs but the POP gives me the opportunity to check some of my tennis stats independent of the racquet I use.
 
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mhkeuns

Hall of Fame
Love the fact that the device isn't attached to the frame, but how will it be able to calculate anything correctly? I don't see any sensors to attach to the frame that will transmit any feedback. Very interesting.
 

TW Staff

Administrator
Attention Talk Tennis Members:

Emails have been sent out to those selected to playtest the POP playtest. For those of you that were selected, congrats! And please email back an email by tomorrow to confirm your participation. For those of you that weren't selected, keep trying and don't give up! There will be more playtests coming very soon!

Thanks,
TW Staff
 

darklore009

Hall of Fame
I'm also curious on how this device will work. I played with the Pure Drive play and there was some app related difficulties when i received it. Later it worked and managed to get the data I wanted. Although the pure drive doesnt suit my playstyle because the power was too much for me to handle. Hopefully with this device, I can see better results using the racket that I prefer.
 

SJSA

Professional
Hope you emailed them back, too.

***Please email back to confirm your participation in this playtest. Failure to hear back by Thursday, October 1st at 12 pm PDT will result in being replaced in this playtest.***
Yes, I did.
Thank you for reminding me.
 

kimguroo

Legend
I got the email too and confirmed.
I used Zepp and Sony sensor and Never tried Babolat system so looking forward to test this device.
Thanks for this opportunity ^_^
 

PGlock

Rookie
Looking forward to trying this out. Just sent confirmation email.

Interested in seeing what it can tell me about different string set ups and tensions.
 

MisterP

Hall of Fame
It's going to be interesting to see how this holds up in the extreme humidity of the southeastern US. I currently wear double wide wristbands on both arms to help manage the amount of moisture that accumulates on the racquet handle. I will probably switch to a single wide on one arm with the POP on the side closer to the racquet. Unfortunately, we are bracing for hurricane Joaquin, at the moment, so there is no tennis for us over the next three days or so. :(

Can't wait to start the playtest, though!
 

TW Staff

Administrator
Attention Playtesters!

Your samples are shipping via UPS today! Your reviews are due by October 30 - but please feel free to discuss your initial & ongoing impressions prior to your full review.

Jon
 

Geoff

Hall of Fame
I have been curious to see the results of this technology. I have not tried any sensor technology to date. I have friends who use and like the Sony Sensor. It's an interesting idea to have a device that is independent of the racquet. My initial questions are (I asked Babolat Official some of these in the Babolat Official thread)

1. Can a wristband be worn over the POP?
2. How will the POP wristband hold up to normal play, perspiration, etc.
3. Will the POP feel bulky or hinder play in any way?

I think sensor technology is a great teaching tool to get a baseline and track progress for the parameters that the POP can measure. How will everyone use the technology for their own game?

Maybe this will open up a whole new type of wristband for other companies to make and sell!

Thanks again to Babolat and TW for making this playtest available.
 

Blackkitty

New User
I have used the Sony sensor before (I don't own it thought) and I am interested to try out the POP. I don't really have any idea how these sensors work or how accurate they can be, but it seems like a sensor in the racket itself would be more effective than one on your wrist, especially if people use different grips. When I get my POP, I will definitely have some hitting partners and friends try it out, to see how it works for players of different styles.

Very excited to get this wristband sensor!
 

jbot

Rookie
I hope babolat's rep will partake in this thread to answer questions as the playtest progresses. I think that would be helpful.

for my part, I've been using the fitbit flex and charge HR for the past couple years and just recently put the charge HR away. Looking forward to see how this sensor works and application for tennis.
 

dizzlmcwizzl

Hall of Fame
I was selected and I am very happy. I have spent a lot of time video recording my matches in the past and have posted many of them here. I am curious how the app and data can be used to accentuate how I analyze my recorded matches and practice sessions.
 

Babolat Official

Hall of Fame
I have been curious to see the results of this technology. I have not tried any sensor technology to date. I have friends who use and like the Sony Sensor. It's an interesting idea to have a device that is independent of the racquet. My initial questions are (I asked Babolat Official some of these in the Babolat Official thread)

1. Can a wristband be worn over the POP?
2. How will the POP wristband hold up to normal play, perspiration, etc.
3. Will the POP feel bulky or hinder play in any way?

I think sensor technology is a great teaching tool to get a baseline and track progress for the parameters that the POP can measure. How will everyone use the technology for their own game?

Maybe this will open up a whole new type of wristband for other companies to make and sell!

Thanks again to Babolat and TW for making this playtest available.

Hi Geoff, perhaps I can answer these questions for some of our playtesters.

1) Yes, a wristband can be worn over the POP. I will playtest this just to be sure, though the whole premise of the wearable is that the POP sensor just needs to be secure on your wrist, which the provided wristband ensures. Wearing a wristband over it should not interfere with functionality.

2) The provided wristband is made of a neoprene material that is machine washable. It will not be affected by perspiration or play.

3) In my experience, I can barely notice the device on my wrist. It frankly feels just like any other wristband that I would wear while playing tennis.


Hope that helps!
 

Chace

Hall of Fame
I am looking forward to trying this device out. I haven't used any of the racquet sensors. I would like to hear others feedback that have used both the racket sensors and the POP.
 

eelhc

Hall of Fame
I got selected for the playtest.... very excited!!! I already have suggestions without even doing the playtest.... I wish Babolat or another manufacturer would partner with a smartwatch manufacturer and come up with the app that doesn't require a unique piece of hardware... I'd be willing to pay more for the app and wear my smartwatch r a fitness device with an accelerometer on my right hand rather than purchase yet another piece of HW that I have to charge, bring, wear, etc... How cool would this be if it worked with your Apple Watch or Samsung Gear S2?
 

Anton

Legend
Makes sense in theory but actually playing real tennis in those watches? Don't know if that can work. They are 40+ grams (double sweatband is about 30 grams) not too bad but significant additional weight to consider and probably more annoyingly this watch will be swimming in your sweat and cutting/rubbing your wrist.

Pop is a washable soft cloth like a sweatband and would be more seamless.
 

mhkeuns

Hall of Fame
Just received mine. Charging the device right now. Pairing was simple.

Very attractive design and color, especially the high quality looks.

Just one question, though. In the diagram, it kind of looks like the device is aligned with inside part of the wrist, not the top of the wrist. Is that correct?
 

scotus

G.O.A.T.
The device arrived.

Just a brief comment on its appearance, style:

The sensor itself looks very attractive. A classic black body with a small orange Babolat logo for an accent. It's nice, stylish, even elegant. Unfortunately, the sensor is hidden inside the pouch and never sees the light of day during play.

What does see the light of day is the wristband with a pouch. This could not have been designed by the same team that designed the sensor. The material looks cheap and the green-colored "POP" logo looks casual, lighthearted, comical, and downright childish.

My recommendation to Babolat is introduce some more designs of the wristband, so that adults would want to wear them as well. I for one would like to cover this up with a regular tennis wristband.
 

Geoff

Hall of Fame
Is POP an acronym? If so what does it stand for. I was unable to find it when searching.
 

JohnBPittsburgh

Hall of Fame
It would be cool to see who can hit the fastest forehands, serves, etc with all the playtesters. Friendly competition always makes things more fun.
 

mhkeuns

Hall of Fame
What does unqualified mean? Does that mean it was too short? Only had a couple of hours to play today, so I did rallies for about an hour using different frames and played a leisurely set of doubles... Was hoping to talk about the data from playing, but I got that message in the activities tab.
 

mhkeuns

Hall of Fame
Oh, wait... I just have to click the unqualified and designate what the activity was... and gets recorded. So my hardest ground stroke was clocked at 56mph and the serve at 97.:(

Crap! I gotta hit harder than that tomorrow... Embarrassing.

Oh, wait.. I got 67mph on my ground stroke on the next session recorded. Hopefully, I,will hit some hard first serves tomorrow.

Ok.., so after today..., my PIQ score is lowly 2569.o_O
My style point is 5/10. I must look terrible.
It says the speed of 24mph... Hmmm, even as an average that is too slow...
I got 16% on the spin... I just realized why my opponent love playing against me.

This device is making me realize that I suck and need to work on my stuff.

I gotta get to know this POP sensor and the App more in details. This actually looks really promising. It's quite fun looking at the data and makes me look forward to tomorrow's hitting session.

BTW, it didn't even feel like I was wearing anything. The band was comfortable.

Thank you Babolat! Thank you TW for this opportunity.
 
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djNEiGht

Legend
I might just pick one up. Was a participant I. The pdPlay round table with a few other TT members. I think the price point is even lower than discussed at the table.
 

racertempo

Semi-Pro
must it be worn on your main wrist, right for right handers? if not, has accurace been tested to tellmif oneyou dominant wrist is more accurate? also, how does it sense a one handed backhand if it must be on your dominant hand only? i just ordered one from tw, but also have a qlipp on pre order as well, thanks!
 

Anton

Legend
It would be cool to see who can hit the fastest forehands, serves, etc with all the playtesters. Friendly competition always makes things more fun.

I wouldn't take it too seriously. Pop only measures acceleration bellow wrist, so it can't accurately estimate racket head speed component resulting from wrist lag/release action. And of course it doesn't know your racket mass.

Nadal+forehnad+extreme+active+wrist+snap.png


Note how much faster racket head speed is relative to the wrist into impact.
 

mhkeuns

Hall of Fame
I think the sensor technology is very interesting but still in its infancy. To make the sensors affordable, I'm sure some of the most crucial and high priced technologies were omitted. However, what it does is providing some more fun factors when playing. I do see that it is not completely accurate in detecting my strokes from volleys and forehands, but it also may be that I didn't place the sensor correctly on my wrist.

It rained today. I'm a little bummed that I can't play. I wanted to log in another session.

I still think if there were three small sensors to detect the racket movement and feed the information back to the device on the wrist will give the most accurate information of the strokes, spin and such.
 

MisterP

Hall of Fame
I still think if there were three small sensors to detect the racket movement and feed the information back to the device on the wrist will give the most accurate information of the strokes, spin and such.

If we really want to be accurate we need mesh network of sensors placed on both of the players hands as well as the racquet. But, that is probably too much for the average player. I think this device is going to be great to give us an idea of how hard we're training relative to ourselves. So you can see on this day I was hitting really well and had a great workout, but on this other day I wasn't hitting has well so maybe I need to do something different (get more rest, avoid junk foods, etc).

On a separate note, I think some biometric info would be good to integrate into a device like this. At least something on heart rate, so you could enter your vital stats (height, weight, age) and the POP would collect min, max and avg heart rate over the course of your workout, telling you how many calories you burned. Yes, other devices already do this, but it would be a nice additional feature on future models.
 

Geoff

Hall of Fame
I wouldn't take it too seriously. Pop only measures acceleration bellow wrist, so it can't accurately estimate racket head speed component resulting from wrist lag/release action. And of course it doesn't know your racket mass.

Nadal+forehnad+extreme+active+wrist+snap.png


Note how much faster racket head speed is relative to the wrist into impact.

Is playing right-handed a new strategy for Rafa?
 
It's going to be interesting to see how this holds up in the extreme humidity of the southeastern US. I currently wear double wide wristbands on both arms to help manage the amount of moisture that accumulates on the racquet handle. I will probably switch to a single wide on one arm with the POP on the side closer to the racquet. Unfortunately, we are bracing for hurricane Joaquin, at the moment, so there is no tennis for us over the next three days or so. :(

Can't wait to start the playtest, though!

I am super excited about this playtest as well. I have always wanted to try some of the new sensor technologies but never had a compatible racquet. I was worried about the sweat problem as well. I usually go through two double wide wristbands in one match here in Houston, TX. I think I will be able to just move my wristbands higher up my forearm and it'll be fine. Can't wait to get mine. Thanks t-dub!
 
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