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haqq777

Legend
They still played well today for another 1.5 hrs. Held up well for two hitting sessions which is all I need from them. Based on TW pricing by case, it would be $3.54 a can. Other online retailers are selling the premium for $3.75/can and championship balls for $3.49/can
I just looked at the prices over at Tennis Warehouse. My regular go-to Wilson US Open Extra Duty is $89.99 a case (24 cans). These Dunlops ATP are $84.95. Not sure if this is some sort of an introductory price but at this price of 5 bucks cheaper a case, these Dunlops are a no brainer for me. Will order a case of these when I run out.

Wonder why Dunlop AO case is same price as Wilson US Open? Perhaps they are charging for attaching that Grand Slam name to the ball. Oh well. The price for Dunlop ATP is still worth it, IMO.
 

topspn

Hall of Fame
I just looked at the prices over at Tennis Warehouse. My regular go-to Wilson US Open Extra Duty is $89.99 a case (24 cans). These Dunlops ATP are $84.95. Not sure if this is some sort of an introductory price but at this price of 5 bucks cheaper a case, these Dunlops are a no brainer for me. Will order a case of these when I run out.

Wonder why Dunlop AO case is same price as Wilson US Open? Perhaps they are charging for attaching that Grand Slam name to the ball. Oh well. The price for Dunlop ATP is still worth it, IMO.
Also give the championship ball a try. Honestly doesn’t play anything like penn or Wilson championship balls. I will try a second can of the championship as first was pretty good and also held up for 2 hits
 

haqq777

Legend
Also give the championship ball a try. Honestly doesn’t play anything like penn or Wilson championship balls. I will try a second can of the championship as first was pretty good and also held up for 2 hits
Will do! (y) yeah two hitting sessions is pretty much all I need at most.
 

tennisgurl

Rookie
Playtest Review Dunlop ATP Balls by @tennisgurl

I will begin this playtest review by giving a big shoutout to @TW Staff for this opportunity. I really liked the balls and will be highly recommending them to everyone. So here goes:



Type of ball received: Dunlop ATP Extra Duty

Court type for playtest: Medium-fast hard courts. These have been newly resurfaced and are not rough/cracked.

Tennis experience/background: I am a self rated 4.0 player. I picked up tennis as an adult and get coaching once a week usually. My father played for a D1 school in Florida back in the 70s. Sadly I am the lost child who had zero inclination for the sport till I was well in my adulthood. I like playing recreational tennis with group of similar skilled players, mainly for fun. We don't hit big but we can get up there in intensity.

Describe your playing style (i.e. serve & volley): I am an all court player and like to rush the net. I do not hit with a lot of spin, mostly flat types of strokes but I am working on that. I have a two handed backhanded which is very shabby but hey, atleast its there..

Current ball preference: I generally prefer Wilson US Open ones (ones in darker can) but to be honest it is whoever grabs a new can of whatever brand half the time when we are playing matches. But yes, if I was to choose it would be Wilson US Open.

Comment on the bounce and feel (was it predictable/consistent? - too high or low? -too fast or slow? - too heavy or light?): These Dunlop balls fresh out of the can felt very light and comfortable. Bounce was consistent and predictable for all six balls. These balls were neither very fast, nor very slow. They felt just right. I am very sensitive to weight of the balls and one thing that I do not like in most of the Championship balls (especially yellow/red Wilson and black/red Penn ones) is that they feel hard and heavier to me. These felt supremely comfortable and on par with Wilson US Open comfort.

Any problems with the color/visibility?: No problems with color or visibility. We have green courts and these balls were very visible just like other brands (never had color or visibility issues).

Comment on the playability duration (how long did the ball stay fresh/playable? How long did the felt hold up over time?): Have played for at least four times with these six balls and they are still good. Granted I don't hit with a lot of topspin and ball does not see a lot of heavy hitting, but still I think that is very good. The ball has fluffed up a bit like most posters already pointed out earlier. But playability remained constant for me. I might be done with these by the end of this week, but as of now they are playing just fine. I play 3-4 times per week.

Would you consider using this ball regularly?: Yes, I will. I never buy in bulk (usually a couple of cans at one time) since someone always has a spare can of new balls for matches but if I were to buy next, I will not hesitate in buying these Dunlop ATP balls.

Additional comments (optional): I really liked these balls and just yesterday recommended them to an elderly rec level player. I am also intrigued by Championship version of this ball as other playtesters have mentioned. With these new offerings I think Dunlop will do very well. Thank you again Tennis Warehouse for this opportunity.
 
My son and I pulled out the same balls we used this past weekend for 90 minutes, and played outdoors on a medium speed hardcourt. The temperature was about 65 degrees F. and there was about a five MPH wind blowing directly down the court. We were only able to hit for about half an hour before the balls just got too dead to be playable, especially for the person hitting into the wind. They are slower balls coming off the strings, and especially so when they lost bounce and got fluffy from the outdoor conditions. Even hard hit balls that just cleared the net would barely make it to the baseline on one bounce. We put these balls away and pulled out a set of Pro Penn Marathon balls that had also been used for a 90 minute practice session. The Marathons were much livelier and flew through the air much faster.

The balls have been compressed down a bit from being in my bag so they aren't fluffed up like they were when we were playing with them, and are looking pretty haggard, much more so in real life than in the photo:



In summary:

Type of ball received:
Regular Duty

Court type for playtest:
90 minutes on a medium-fast indoor court, 30 minutes on a medium outdoor court

Tennis experience/background:
Both my 25 year old son and I (57 years old) are USTA 4.5 rated.

Describe your playing style (i.e. serve & volley):
We are both aggressive baseline players who try to close out points by hitting groundstroke winners or at the net. We both use shaped poly strings and hit the ball hard off the ground, and use heavy spin when appropriate.

Current ball preference:
Our preferred ball is the Pro Penn Marathon regular duty ball.

Comment on the bounce and feel (was it predictable/consistent? - too high or low? -too fast or slow? - too heavy or light?)
The ball feels similar to the US Open ball, in that ball speed off the stringbed is on the lower side, much slower than Pro Penn Marathons, a bit slower than the Penn Championship tier of regular and extra duty balls, but a bit faster than the Dunlop Gran Prix all surface balls. Bounce is good and very consistent from ball to ball.

Any problems with the color/visibility?
None.

Comment on the playability duration (how long did the ball stay fresh/playable? How long did the felt hold up over time?)
The ball started to fluff up after about ten minutes of play and stayed fluffed up, though it did not seem to get much worse over time. We did remark that the ball seemed to lose a bit of bounce near the end of a 90 minute hard practice session. A subsequent practice session on a slightly slower outdoor court only lasted 30 minutes with the balls before their loss of bounce became a problem. The balls fluffed up a bit more on the slower court. The felt looks to be deeper on this ball, and so the cover looks haggard and patchy after two hours of play. The other balls we typically use seem to have a thinner felt cover that do not fluff up and look more even. Here is a comparison shot of a regular duty Pro Penn Marathon and regular duty Penn Championship ball that have been used for three full hours, along with a prototype Wilson ball that has been used for about five hours, alongside the Dunlop ATP ball.



The other three balls all exhibit more bounce than the Dunlop ATP ball.

Would you consider using this ball regularly?
The Dunlop ATP ball is an excellent tournament ball. Occasionally, we will have complaints during USTA matches at our club when we use the Pro Penn Marathon balls because they are very fast and our courts are among the faster ones in our area. With the Penn Championship balls, sometimes you will get one that is noticeably flatter than the others. The quality of the Dunlop balls is very consistent, and their slower pace is probably a better fit for high level competition. However, as a practice ball, it didn't last as long as either the regular duty Pro Penn Marathon or Penn Championship balls.

Additional comments (optional)
Thanks for allowing me the opportunity to participate in this ball test.
 

mogo

Rookie
Dunlop ATP Extra Duty Playtest Review

Thank you to TW and Dunlop!!


Type of ball received: Dunlop ATP Extra Duty

Court type for playtest: Hard Court

Tennis experience/background: 4.5, active singles tournament and league player.

Describe your playing style (i.e. serve & volley): Baseliner: I camp out at the Baseline and come to the net when needed.

Current ball preference: Wilson U.S. Open XD

Comment on the bounce and feel (was it predictable/consistent? - too high or low? -too fast or slow? - too heavy or light?). The bounce was the same as a Wilson U.S. Open XD. And it was very consistent, at no time did I feel I had to change my stroke or game. I could just hit normally and focus on hitting. My hitting partners never noticed a change either from playability. I did not feel the ball was heavy or light. To me it was just like my usually Wilson U.S. Open XD I practice with. About hour 10 I did start to notice the ball start to sail a bit but this is not unusual after the felt starts to wear off from play.

Any problems with the color/visibility?No problems at all during my time hitting. They are a little darker from hitting on hard courts from wear and tear but nothing out of the ordinary. I hit in the day and night sessions, and at no time did I have issues with tracking the ball or reading the lettering when the ball was hit with topspin or slice. Even now the lettering is visible, but after another hitting session it may be a bit harder to spot the lettering but it is lasting very well.

Comment on the playability duration (how long did the ball stay fresh/playable? How long did the felt hold up over time?). I hit for about 10 hours with the Dunlop ATP XD ball and they have the same bounce, I don’t feel they are going flat at all. From the squeeze test, they are the same pressure and firmness as the first day. The felt has started to get beat up but the ball is probably good for about another 2 hrs. of hitting IMO. Felt is not as fluffy as the first day but is still playable. The felt is not totally smooth which can make the ball fly and hard to control so I am happy with the durability. Also there were no patchy areas in the felt and the rubber lines are very smooth where the ball was sealed, sometimes there can be extra rubber hanging off where the seal is, but I did not have that issue with the Dunlop ATP Extra Duty balls.

Would you consider using this ball regularly? Yes, this was a great experience!! I really was a cynic and very skeptical for the Dunlop playtest. But I would use these to practice with as I consider them equal to Wilson U.S. Open XD and a step above Penn.

Additional comments (optional) I truly enjoyed this playtest and am grateful that TW picked me. I would recommend this ball to any serious player who is looking for a quality ball to hold up in practice and match play. I would give this ball a 9+ rating out of 10. Great job DUNLOP!!

Here are some pics of the aftermath, hitting for about 10 hours on court. I will update once I get one more hitting session in.

One picture is with a flash setting and the other picture is in normal light.


 

mogo

Rookie
PLAYTEST UPDATE:

Final hit for about 1.5 hrs and these Dunlop ATP Extra Duty balls are done!! It was a great playtest! Again thanks TW and DUNLOP!! Here are final pics, along with a couple of new ones when I started the playtest.

 

mad dog1

G.O.A.T.
PLAYTEST UPDATE:

Final hit for about 1.5 hrs and these Dunlop ATP Extra Duty balls are done!! It was a great playtest! Again thanks TW and DUNLOP!! Here are final pics, along with a couple of new ones when I started the playtest.

Pretty cool. Were the balls responsible for changing the color of the paint job on your racquet in the before vs after pics? ;)
 

mogo

Rookie
Pretty cool. Were the balls responsible for changing the color of the paint job on your racquet in the before vs after pics? ;)
@mad dog1
Yes, after the second hit my Clash Tour changed to the prototype paint job.......lol : ). I wanted to show some love to the prototype Clash Tour for the board.
 

J011yroger

Talk Tennis Guru
Hello,

This is my initial review of the first can of balls I got.

I will update when I use the second can.

Type of ball received: Regular Duty

Court type for playtest: Indoor Har-Tru

Tennis experience/background: 5.0 been playing most of my life.

Describe your playing style (i.e. serve & volley): Aggressive All-Court. Extreme Eastern FH, 2HBH.

Current ball preference: Pro Penn Marathon

Comment on the bounce and feel: The balls were very nice feeling, soft without being mushy, medium weight, made a great sound when struck, and had good speed through the air without flying.

Any problems with the color/visibility: Color and visibility were fine, they picked up some clay and got darker but all balls do. Perhaps they got a little darker than usual due to the balls fluffing up.

Comment on the playability duration: The balls fluffed up right away, but continued to play nicely for our entire doubles match. I used them for an additional half hour the next day to warm up for a match and the felt was pretty torn up after that even though they still bounced ok. They were less durable than the Pro Penn Marathon but more durable than the Wilson US Open, or any championship ball.

Would you consider using this ball regularly: Yes, sure if the price was reasonable.

Additional comments: The ball feels great and plays very nicely, but the felt durability isn't really up to par for a training ball. It's certainly a premium ball, and a great match day ball. I'll probably buy a couple of cans of extra duty balls and see how they hold up to a hard court training session this summer.

I will use the second can for singles drilling and see how they hold up.

J
 

jayserinos99

Hall of Fame
Type of ball received: ATP Extra Duty

Court type for playtest: Hard court

Tennis experience/background: Former junior player, current 40+ 4.0

Describe your playing style (i.e. serve & volley): All court primarily lefty doubles player, using a lot of different spins (i.e. junk); SW FH, 2H BH with a lot of slices thrown in; used modified APD2013s with Tour Bite 16L at 58 lb, temperatures typically in the 60s for this playtest

Current ball preference: typically (1) Pro Penn, (2) Penn Championship, or (3) Penn ATP/Tour

Comment on the bounce and feel (was it predictable/consistent? - too high or low? -too fast or slow? - too heavy or light?): The ball is definitely reminiscent of Dunlop as it felt a bit heavier than the Pro Penns I typically use. However, it didn’t feel as heavy as the old A-Player ball, which is the reason why I don’t prefer Dunlop balls. The weight of the ball also contributes slightly to hitting comfort as I opt for a lighter feeling ball. However, it is a quality ball and very consistent/predictable; also, all three balls were useable for the entire duration (which Penns have an issue with in some cans with one ball being flat right after opening). The ball wasn’t too fast (e.g. the old Prince balls that were miniature missiles) or too slow (i.e. practice balls) nor too high or low spin/pace wise. The ball seemed very neutral and that’s not necessarily a bad thing as you know what kind of shot to expect after hitting the ball. I’d like to point out that the felt fluffed up a bit more than my regular Penn balls but it didn’t effect the speed or spin or bounce. That is better than when a ball goes bald (like typical other balls).

Any problems with the color/visibility? Probably one of the high points of this test, the ball was nice and bright, even after using the balls on a dirty hard court.

Comment on the playability duration (how long did the ball stay fresh/playable? How long did the felt hold up over time?): I typically open a fresh can whenever I play (regardless of match or just hitting). The test for me is if the balls survive multiple hitting sessions or least hold its playability for a couple of sets. The good news is that this ball went through a few 1-hour hitting sessions no problem (so roughly 3 hours total for a can of balls). The ball didn’t go flat at all and they still are used as practice balls hitting against the wall. The only issue came when I first opened the can of balls and they didn’t feel as lively at first, thinking the balls were flat right after opening them.

Would you consider using this ball regularly? I tend to buy cases of tennis balls so, price and comfort wise, I’d opt for Pro Penns. However, if I found a deal on picking up multiple cases, I’d be tempted to buy these balls, especially if they keep their bounce and nap longer.

Additional comments (optional): Thank you TW for the opportunity to test these balls. I used to write off Dunlop balls but now with my interest in this particular brand piqued, I will be testing this ball versus the other Dunlop balls: ATP Championship, Australian Open, Fort All Court.
 

woodje12

Rookie
Type of ball received: Dunlop ATP Regular Duty

Court type for playtest: Primarily Har-Tru Green Clay (fairly wet due to overnight thunderstorm) then later hard courts (Decoturf I believe…)

Tennis experience/background: 4.0 NTRP / A-5 ALTA lines 4-5; playing ~6 years; low 40's in age

Describe your playing style (i.e. serve & volley): Pretty much doubles exclusively at this point; moving forward and getting to the net to close out points ASAP to cover weak ground strokes and average pace but well-placed serves

Current ball preference: Penn Championship balls via Costco (I know, I’m squarely a value buyer) is primary; have also enjoyed playing Penn ATP World Tour balls on rare occasions

Comment on the bounce and feel (was it predictable/consistent? - too high or low? -too fast or slow? - too heavy or light?) – Perfect, I feel like they were a little more lively than the Penn balls and kicked up a bit more on clay and on the hard court later; the ball also felt a little more solid/heavier when hit; although my daughter thought the ball core was actually lighter (which she liked) as she thought she was able to hit out a little more and still keep it in – either way everyone including the men players liked the feel

Any problems with the color/visibility? – I thought the yellow color held up a lot better than other balls I tend to play with that end up looking green after using them on hard courts

Comment on the playability duration (how long did the ball stay fresh/playable? How long did the felt hold up over time?) – I was super impressed. Granted we played mostly on clay but we played 4 competitive sets with my usual foursome of 4.0 guys. Then right after that, my daughter and her friend (6 & 7 UTRs) played a couple hours on hard courts with them. Finally the next day, my daughter and I did some (semi?) cooperative hitting on hard court and they held up well throughout the ~6 hours of play!

Would you consider using this ball regularly? – Yes although to be perfectly candid the price premium can’t be too high above value balls given you crack a fresh can each match; these balls could easily play well throughout two doubles matches, for sure if on clay

Additional comments (optional) – Thanks for the opportunity to test these!
 

fl4tsc

Rookie
Finally got a chance to get out with my usual hitting partner a few days ago and use these puppies.

Type of ball received: Regular Duty

Court type for playtest: Har-Tru clay court

Tennis experience/background: Strong NTRP 4.5 to average 5.0 depending on the day. Mid 20's age.

Describe your playing style (i.e. serve & volley): I like to consider myself an all-court player with an emphasis on a good 1-2 punch. My hitting partner likes to attack from the baseline with heavy heavy topspin. I'm 6'5" and his ball consistently gets over my head unless I'm pushing myself forward or am back at the fence. Still comes with ample pace as well...

Current ball preference: When price is no object I prefer the Propenn Marathon. Usually play with the cheapo Penn Championships from Costco though.

Comment on the bounce and feel (was it predictable/consistent? - too high or low? -too fast or slow? - too heavy or light?) Overall I thought these balls played extremely well. They seem to have a similar bounce, speed, and weight to other premium balls, but have the thickest felt of any ball I've ever played with. Comparing them with the Penn Championships I thought they were easily more consistent. I thought they played slightly slower than the Penns right out of the can, but that speed/good bounce never really faded unlike the Penns whose bounce and speed start to fade very quickly. I would attribute the slower feel to the thick felt which seems to provide a softer feel off the racket. It may be in my head, but it seemed to make the ball easier to work on the strings for a little extra spin/control.

Any problems with the color/visibility? No problems here. They're bright yellow, what more could you ask for? The print on the ball did get beat up by the end of the playtest, likely from my hitting partners insane topspin. So I guess if you're really worried about still being able to read the number on the ball after a few hours these may disappoint. Picture below.

Comment on the playability duration (how long did the ball stay fresh/playable? How long did the felt hold up over time?) So right off the bat, during the play test we managed to break one of the balls after about 1 hour of play, pictured below. The other 2 balls held up fine for a total of 2 hours before we stopped playing for the day. Even with the bad luck breaking one of the playtest balls, my other experiences with the Dunlop ATP balls before the playtest have been extremely positive. They seem to hold their bounce and playability longer than any other ball I can recall. Although the felt getting beat up/clumpy doesn't look the greatest it seems to provide a really nice feel on the strings that other more tightly woven felts don't match.

Would you consider using this ball regularly? Given the price it would be difficult to justify switching to these from my usual Costco Penns. On the other hand, if money were no object these would probably be my ball of choice. I'm very interested to try the ATP Championship line of balls in hopes the playability will be similar to these for a more competitive cost.

Additional comments (optional): I plan to get out again today with the same hitting partner to use the 2nd playtest can. I'll be sure to report back with any relevant updates.


 

appdach96

Rookie
Type of ball received: ATP Extra Duty

Court type for playtest: Omni court & hard court

Tennis experience/background: 4.5 doubles player~ played as a junior until I was 18, then took 18 years off before I came back to tennis and love it more than ever.

Describe your playing style (i.e. serve & volley): I am a doubles player with a pretty good serve...My backhand is a bit more consistent than my forehand...I also have a slice backhand. I serve & work my way into the net.

Current ball preference: For non-match play normally Penn or Wilson, extra duty. For match play, Wilson US Open or Pro Penn extra duty as well.


Comment on the bounce and feel (was it predictable/consistent? - too high or low? -too fast or slow? - too heavy or light?): Right off the bat I noticed that this ball is way better than any Dunlop ball I have played with in the past. This ball is high quality & it is fairly predictable & consistent. They remind me a lot of the Wilson US Open. It was very consistent, way more than the Penn balls I normally use for practice.

Any problems with the color/visibility? No problems at all. The ball is very bright (a good thing) and stays that way through multiple uses, even on a hard court with LOTS of pollen and dust.

Comment on the playability duration (how long did the ball stay fresh/playable? How long did the felt hold up over time?): These balls lasted longer than my normal Penn ball. I used them through 3 days of playing doubles, and we play 2+ hours & at least 3 sets each time we played. They still bounce decent and I use them as a warm up before matches, but they definitely are not nearly as lively after hitting with them for this long.

Would you consider using this ball regularly? I would definitely buy this ball for match play.

Additional comments (optional): Thank you Dunlop & Tennis Warehouse for the opportunity to try out these balls. I would/will definitely purchase some for match play when they come around locally. I think Dunlop has improved so very much from their past extra duty balls which were very hard and unpredictable.
 

J011yroger

Talk Tennis Guru
Update, played a doubles match with the second can and a few days later played a singles practice set against a guy from my 5.0 team and though the balls looked pretty beat up they still played fine.

J
 

M Pillai

Rookie
Here is my review of Dunlop ATP Extra Duty cans. I will also post another review about the Dunlop 2019 AO official balls in another thread, since I just happen to check them out as well recently.

Type of ball received: Dunlop ATP Extra Duty

Court type for playtest: Hard Court

Tennis experience/background:
Late bloomer. Play recreational tennis at 4.5 level with usual hitting partners. Mostly plays singles, but also does enjoy occasional doubles. Lucky to be in a place where there are no scarcity of players at similar level, and so that keeps my tennis life busy.

Describe your playing style (i.e. serve & volley):
Some of my friends think I am an aggressive all court player. But I like to think myself as a counter puncher.

Current ball preference:
Frankly never thought I have a preference. I believe I naturally adjust the game based on the ball speed/flight/felt. The only real preference I have is to have all balls to be of close enough bounce or felt. That being said, most of the time, I stock up Penn Championship Extra Duty for no specific reason, other than it is relatively cheap, and considered reasonable by my opponents. By the way, some of my opponents think more fluff and slower bouncier balls help my game, since I do depend a lot on spin from baseline, and on serves (but I personally don't think that way).

Contrary to most of my friend who want a fresh a can every 2 sets, I am OK to play a 3rd or 4rth set with it, as long as they all have similar wear & tear. Because of my usual insensitivity to the balls, it felt a bit awkward when taking notes during my playtest. I kind of take a note and then have to correct it later a few times. For example at the start of the session I thought the balls were fast, but realized later that it is was only because I was not ready, and my timing was bad. Once my timing was groved in, it actually felt slower through air.

Comment on the bounce and feel (was it predictable/consistent? - too high or low? -too fast or slow? - too heavy or light?)

Bounce was very predictable on hard court. Ball definitely was flying a bit slower through the air, but had a lot more action than the usual Wilson/Penn Extra Duty. Also felt a bit lighter than the Wilson US Open balls, even though the fluffiness was similar to Wilson US Open. My opponent thought it was really suited for my baseline topspin loops, since the ball really took off after the bounce and felt heavier than usual (in his words). Also I had no issue to control the depth, since the flight was extremely controllable using spin, possibly because of the fluffiness. Essentially I think relatively speaking the Dunlop ATP Extra duty balls never felt like they fly out of your racket (uncontrolled). Balls flight path is more controllable, and feels slightly slower through air. Also they are probably a bit lighter than the other balls in the similar category (Wilson US Open?).

Any problems with the color/visibility?
Absolutely not. They were bright and kept the color throughout, with the reasonably expected fading/wear/tear. Dunlop ATP extra duty were well built balls, and the quality control seems super/above expectations. I usually are not too anal about these, and don’t pay that much attention when opening cans. But I do notice sometimes the bad quality viscile on the white line/

Comment on the playability duration (how long did the ball stay fresh/playable? How long did the felt hold up over time?)
The ball did change its characteristics gradually over the duration of the 2 sets we played with each can. I did use them for hitting practice on the board later as well, and still does hold good bounce, even after my persistent beat up of it over the hitting board. So total play time on that set of balls were 2 full sets, which lasted around 120 minutes and then for two different sessions of 30 minutes each. I can and will use them in future hitting board practice as well.

Personally I think these balls would hold its pressure and playability for 4 full length sets, for an average 4.5 player. But most of the time at this level, players do open a fresh can at the start of the hitting, and throw it out for recycle/ball machine/board hitting, at the end of their session, which maybe around 2 or 3 sets or around 120 or 150 minutes of play. So for all practicality as long as the ball holds its quality and responsiveness over this specific period of time it does the purpose for most folks.

Obviously Dunlop ATP extra duty balls did held its consistency and predictability over this critical use period. We did a good warmup of baseline loopy topspin hitting also before starting the set, which was pretty lengthy rallies even though it was only around 10 minutes, and then followed by regular sets. The ball did became a bit fluffy after the initial few games, and did change quite a bit on its fresh out of can feel by around 2 or 3 games. But not really in a bad way, it is kind of fluffed up a bit, and helped with more control and flight path. Essentially slowed down a bit on the flatter shots and helped with spin/feel.

Usually on such fluffiness, you would expect the ball to get bald by the end of the set, and become a bit erratic. But that did not happen, and it did hold up pretty good for the rest of the 2 sets, which lasted a total of 120 minutes, with quite a lot of long baseline rallies, since we both were kind of similar style players and pretty equal in level.

In summary, yes the ball did change its fresh feel in a few games. But it is well made and of outstanding quality, and can hold up its consistency and playability for most normal recreational players at 4.5 level or below for their full session. If you like to save the ball for next hitting session, I am sure it will last at least another full session with consistent bounce. For most practicality the measure of exact duration of bounce consistency is not really relevant, but I would think, from a pure personal feel, that the Dunlop ATP Extra duty would outlast regular Penn Championship Extra duty balls by two times or more. It will also outlast Wilson US Open.


Would you consider using this ball regularly?
Of course yes, well…. what is the price? :) Playing tennis frequently I don’t want to get spoiled into getting used to the super quality balls, and find myself spending too much on an everyday basis. So the value does matter a lot for me, for something I use a lot (and not a one-time purchase). Even though I would love to replace my regular cans with these, it really depends on the price difference.

Additional comments (optional)

This definitely was a different playtest experience for me. I never used to care which exact cans I was using, and sometimes does not even notice. It was just part of the deal like wind on that day or weather etc etc… and just adjust to it without thinking much. By the way 50% of the time, you also have to play with the balls of your opponents preference. So it is probably a good idea to not develop/habituate your game around your personal ball cans anyway.

I personally would not go and buy the generic tennis ball cans, however cheap they are. So yes quality is also quite important for your regular tennis cans. But most folks rather open a new can every session, than reusing a higher quality ball for two sessions. So if twice the quality comes without much of a price difference, that is an important differentiating criteria. But if it also costs more than twice, most folks may stick to their regular cans.

I also happen to have a can of Dunlop Australian Open 2019 official balls around, and I reviewed that also right after the session with Dunlop ATP extra duty. I was expecting similar feel/experience, but I was proved wrong. I will post a review of those as well soon, probably in another thread, so that folks does not confuse them with Dunlop ATP review.
 

SoccerGuy

New User
Type of ball received: Regular Duty

Court type for playtest: Hard court

Tennis experience/background:

7 years of experience training with private clubs and playing tournaments.

Describe your playing style (i.e. serve & volley):
Defensive style of play highly dependent on consistency and weight of shot. My forehand has a lot of spin (strong semi-western grip), but my two handed backhand is fairly flat. My serve game is dependent on placement and spin, so I throw in a lot of variety from high kick serves to carving body serves. I enjoy playing at the net, so I play a lot of doubles as well.

Current ball preference: Pro Penn Marathon Extra Duty

Comment on the bounce and feel (was it predictable/consistent? - too high or low? -too fast or slow? - too heavy or light?)
The feel of the ball was very clean, and the balls had a fairly short amount of dwell time compared to my balls of choice. It has a very predictable bounce and the clean feel of the ball made it easy to be confident swinging for the lines. The bounce height wasn’t an issue for me, and the ball speed was quicker than my current ball of choice but nothing to write down as a complaint.

Any problems with the color/visibility?
No complaints here, the yellow of the ball never faded enough for me to have issues spotting it on court.

Comment on the playability duration (how long did the ball stay fresh/playable? How long did the felt hold up over time?)
I used both sets of balls for 3 sets of tennis each(two singles, one doubles). The balls never showed any above average wear. The pressure in the balls seemed to hold well, but the fuzz wore in an interesting way. Smaller stands began to show earlier on than normal but it didn’t seem to affect play in any major way. Other than that, the ball’s durability was as expected and by the end of my play time were still playable, but I would be changing them out for new balls soon.

Would you consider using this ball regularly?
I would consider using this ball regularly because of the very clean response, but for the extra ten dollars it costs per case over my Pro Penns, I would find that money better spent on something else.

Additional comments
I played on gritty and smooth hard courts in 70-80 degree weather.
Thanks for the opportunity to test some high quality balls TW!
 

Seth

Hall of Fame
Type of ball received: Regular duty

Court type for playtest:
Har-Tru Clay

Tennis experience/background:
Been playing for 18 years (age 31 now). Solid 4.0 (was 4.5 when I was playing more). Mostly doubles now in a more social setting. Three young kids makes it tough to play super often.

Describe your playing style (i.e. serve & volley): Raised as a power baseliner in the Age of Roddick, but now I really enjoy rushing net and playing a more all-court game.

Current ball preference: Wilson U.S. Open regular duty

Comment on the bounce and feel (was it predictable/consistent? - too high or low? -too fast or slow? - too heavy or light?) Consistent bounce without being extreme in any other area. It didn't feel too different than the U.S. Opens I'm used to.

Any problems with the color/visibility? None at all.

Comment on the playability duration (how long did the ball stay fresh/playable? How long did the felt hold up over time?) I used a can for 3 sets of doubles, and was then able to use them in a practice setting a couple of days later. After two hours of practice/rallying, they were done. I felt that was acceptable - no complaints from me.

Would you consider using this ball regularly? Yes, I could easily substitute these for my U.S. Opens going forward.

Additional comments (optional) I'm thankful TW sent us two cans - one of the balls in my first can had some defect where, after 5 minutes of warm-up groundstrokes, the ball was flat. When holding it at shoulder-height and dropping it, the ball barely reached my knees. Busted out the second can and we were good to go.
 
Isnt the red Dunlop explosive just the same as grey version with a different paint job?
It seems they're advertising some sort of heat treatment that incorporates a new, hard, slippery surface layer, and the illustration on the package reflects that. The silver Explosive doesn't say anything about an additional surface layer nor heat treating, though both are supposed to be low powered and control oriented so the core of the string may be the same.

I won't be able to install my set until after I give a newly strung Quadro Twist at least ten hours of testing, so maybe by the end of the first week in May.
 

topspn

Hall of Fame
Oh wish i had applied for the string playtest. I’d have liked to try it out but I’ll look for your reviews guys.
 

ArliHawk

Hall of Fame
Type of Ball Receoved:Extra Duty

Court type for Playtest: Indoor Hard Court

Describe your playing style: All Court Doubles Player, 4.0 USTA rated. While I don’t usually play singles, one of the cans was used to hit for a 1.5 hour hitting session. Lefty, so I usually slice serve and my groundies have a lot of topspin.

Current Ball Preference: Dunlop Australian Open

Comment on the bounce and feel (was it predictable/consistent? Too high or too low? Too fast or too slow? Too heavy or light?)
The feel of the Ball was very comfortable. They felt softer than the Dunlop Australian Open ball, but not in a bad way. When striking the ball, I felt like it came cleanly off the racquet. The Ball was very consistent in bounce, reminding me of a slightly better version of the Wilson US Open extra duty. The Ball went more quickly through the air than the Dunlop Australian Open and similar to the Wilson US Open.

Any problems with the color/visibility? None whatsoever. Found these balls to have a nice bright color. No problems even as they fluffed up a bit

Comment on the playability duration (how long did the ball stay fresh/playable? How long did the felt hold up over time?)

Used both cans for 4 sets and then threw them in the hopper. The balls fluffed up after about half an hour of hitting, but it did not seem to affect the performance at all. This is similar to the Australian ball, which fluffs up quickly as well. The ball held pressure and retained a consistent bounce much better than the Wilson US open ball. Durability was solid, about what I expected.

Would you consider using this ball regularly?
Definitely would consider using this ball regularly. Honestly, it’s between this and the Australian Open. Not a lot of people in my area use Dunlops so they have the benefit of being easily recognizable on the courts. Would be a choice among these, Dunlop Australian, and Pro Penns.

Additional comments: Have been very pleased with the new lines of balls from Dunlop. Think they have improved since the new partnership with Srixon. Thank you for the opportunity to participate in the playtest.
 
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I'm using the Penn ATPs and I like them quite a bit. It is a tossup between the Penn ATP and Wilson US Open. The Wilson US Open is slightly softer and a bit less durable but they're both good balls. I want to see if there's another good ball available and how the Dunlops compare - I hope that the playtesters are familiar with the other high-end tennis balls commonly in use.
The Wilson US Open is.... SOFTER? .... holy crapoly. those Penn ATP balls must be as hard as rocks.
 

mogo

Rookie
Dunlop Playtest strings in!!!!!

Received a 3 pack (Thanks TW and DUNLOP!!!)
Explosive Red17g, Silk Pro 16g, and Comfort Pro 16g

First thoughts, I like the back of the package and the stats for power, comfort, spin, and durability. Going to try to string up Explosive Red tomorrow.

 
The Wilson US Open is.... SOFTER? .... holy crapoly. those Penn ATP balls must be as hard as rocks.
Agree with topspn. US Open balls are not that hard and in my opinion play fairly slowly. The Dunlop ATP balls are faster than US Open balls initially, and felt about the same after the Dunlop balls had fluffed up. Pro Penn Marathon balls are faster and harder by a fair amount.
 

Jogo Bonito

New User
Here is my unofficial review of Dunlop ATP and Aus Open balls. Not provided by TW. Purchased from a college bud/teaching pro friend who is a club pro and shop owner.

Type of ball: six cases of Dunlop ATP regular Duty, one case of dunlop AO. They feel good to me (all court attacker with heavy spins). Slight difference in felt color, and the AO felt seems a bit thicker in nap, so i will prefer that, especially on a warm day when balls fly. Same core feel, durability, and spin potential.

Court type: outdoor hardcourts, har tru outdoors a lot, too. Occasional rainy evenings on indoor hardcts.

Tennis experience/background:
Nationally ranked junior and college player in the 1980s. Coached for a decade. Stopped for a decade. Back in love with playing. Now down to approximately the 5.0 level. Mostly i hit with teaching pros, former college players, and some ranked 16u and 18u kids.

Describe your playing style (i.e. serve & volley):
Attacking player with heavy spins. I rely on precision, touch and control. Still some good power on the groundstrokes and volleys. I play a little singles, twice a week. We play a lot of dubs, almost every day.

Current ball preference:
Dunlop grand prix, Penn marathons and slazenger Wimbledon if available.

I like a firm felt for spins and the grippy feeling, and like anyone, i like a long lasting core. I like to play with six balls (two cans). I do reuse them in a small hopper for the occasional drill session or serve practice.

Comment on the bounce and feel (was it predictable/consistent? - too high or low? -too fast or slow? - too heavy or light?)

These feel Lighter than marathons and us open. Way less fluffing compared to us open. Solid feel even after three sets of good men's doubles. Lowish bounce on cool mornings. Feels like the great old prince tour ball, only with improved high visibility colored felt.

Any problems with the color/visibility?
No. Excellent, bright color, even at night. Even decent after a set on grayish green hartru.

Comment on the playability duration (how long did the ball stay fresh/playable? How long did the felt hold up over time?)
Nothing revolutionary here. This is all Relative (volume, level, spins, speeds). Better than us open. Same as slazenger and penn marathon. Like dunlop grand prix hard ct, only a bit lighter and livelier. After three sets, these are not good enough for another actual match (what is?), but still solid enough to drill with a friend or a decent junior.

The Letters wore out, but maybe that is my perception because there is a lot of lettering on the atp and ao balls. Or maybe the ink is not as good as the ink on a dunlop grand prix hard ct.

In summary, i am happy i got six cases of the atp. I am switching to these from penn marathons. If anyone ever offers a "championship" ball, or a us open, this comes out of my bag. Because those are inferior. I will try the extra duty next. I like the AO logo the best.

Would you consider using this ball regularly?
Yes, year round i will use the ATP ball. Penn marathon when a friend offers. Will also buy cases of AO, and Slaz Wimbledon when available.

I guess they're actually using this ball at the tour stops, like Monte Carlo, Rome, Madrid, etc.? Well, excellent ball. Very happy with these. Thanks.
 
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mogo

Rookie
Dunlop Explosive Red 17g strung up @ 58pds. Will update once I get a chance to really test out this string. Was able to hit for about 30 mins and so far the feel is solid on contact. I felt I could swing away and not worry about the ball sailing on me. Not as much spin as Hyper G, but power was about the same. Don't know if @TW Staff has a stiffness rating for this string?
 
My Solinco Revolution 1.25 had finally lost too much tension, and was mostly notched through at about 15 hours of play. I removed it and strung up the Dunlop Explosive Red at 49 pounds in the center mains and 46 pounds in the center crosses. The Explosive Red doesn't have that plasticky, brittle feel that some poly strings have. It has a shiny and slick exterior, with average coil memory. Elasticity was medium low, and the racquet lost about 1.5 grams from the Revolution that was in there just prior. I added back the weight with some lead tape at 3 and 9 o'clock.

With the warmer weather back again, I'll be hitting outdoors for a couple of hours tomorrow.

 
I did about 90 minutes of mixed "grin and giggles" hitting interspersed with periods of more serious rallying. This is a very nice string!

The Explosive Red has a very nice pocketing feel that gives confidence that the directional accuracy will be good. Power is medium, about the same as Revolution and Cyclone, a bit more powerful than Hyper-G. Power ramps up evenly with faster racquet head speed. It feels reminiscent of the impact feel of Pro Poly Plasma Pure, only with greater spin capability and a higher launch angle. Grip on the ball is good, better than Diadem Flash that I recently tested, and spin capability is among the best that I have felt from a round poly, roughly equal to Luxilon Alu Power or 4G.

Mis-hit impact was about average for a poly string, not being severe nor muted. Tension loss so far seems minimal, though after only about 50-60 minutes of serious hitting, the strings have notched/dented noticeably, enough so that the strings fairly loudly click back into position when moved out and then back into the notch.

I needed no adjustment period going from Solinco Revolution to Explosive Red. Even the launch angle for the vast majority of my shots was equal, with the only difference being that I could get more extreme topspin or a more biting slice with a shaped poly like Revolution. In those cases the Explosive Red feels like it doesn't have the same instantaneous bite on the ball. As a result, slices tended to float just a little high and with a little less forward ballspeed, and topspin shots would land short from lack of forward ball velocity.

Volleys were firm and crisp, except that I could not feel like I could kill the ballspeed as well as with a shaped poly, such as when trying to hit a drop volley. Otherwise, I had good directional accuracy and good control over the speed of the volley.

Overall, I really enjoyed hitting with this string. A nice, confidence inspiring feel with very predictable and linear responses to varying swing speeds. It has good but not great spin capability, but also doesn't have the incoming ball sensitivity some shaped polys have. Tension maintenance so far is good. The only concern is how much it has notched/dented from a short period of outdoor play.

I have two 90-minute sessions of hitting and playing sets on Monday and will follow up afterwards.
 

haqq777

Legend
Dunlop Explosive Red String Review



Tension(s) used for playtest:
45 lbs full bed.

Regular string set up:
45-48 lbs depending on weather and how I am feeling.

Comment on the feel and/or comfort:
This is a slick, medium-soft feeling string that is comfortable for a poly. You can feel the ball on the strings, pocketing sensation lets you control the ball well, and helps impart a good spin on the ball.

Touch shots and volleys were pretty awesome because of the feel. Even though I like baseline exchanges and building points from there, approach shots and net play was a pleasure.

Off-center hits were not jarring, but you could definitely tell if you mishit the ball. I can name a few softer polys as well as harsher feeling ones when compared to Dunlop Explosive Red so comfort is pretty middle of the road for this string.

Comment on control (were you able to execute a full stroke consistently without overhitting?):
Control was good. Had no issues taking full cuts at the ball and swinging out. With that particular feel of longer dwell time and ball pocketing, I felt it was easier to direct the ball and control direction as well as depth. I was able to execute full strokes consistently without overhitting.

The power level was low-medium so it is a good string for all strokes types (compact or fuller swing). For those feeling it is more low powered, and wanting more depth, I would recommend going a few pounds loose in tension.

In all honesty, I don't think anyone would be overhitting with this poly. I mean at 45 lbs, I wasn't spraying or over hitting and could consistently hit my spots too.

Comment on the spin-potential:
I am of the school of thought that while technique is key, right strings do help with spin. Dunlop Explosive Red was above average in spin department and gave nice spin for a round poly. The snapback was good due to slickness. If I exaggerated my follow through and took bigger cuts, I was rewarded with ample spin. In the end it is about swing mechanics too.

Overall, for a round poly, the spin was great. It was fantastic in the first couple of hours, good for the next couple and then started diminishing after that.

Playability duration (how well did the control and feel hold up over multiple sessions?):
I hit with the string for 8 and a half hours before I snapped it. I could see the string notching within the hour of my tennis session.

The string played great in the first couple of hours, then slowly the playability started declining. By the 8 hour mark that I snapped my main string, I could tell it was on its last leg. The snapback had started becoming less and strings were moving a lot.

I do hit with college level players so most string jobs do not last longer than 8-10 hours anyway. If it is 18 gauge or lower, it snaps, otherwise it is 50/50 that I cut it out because it has died, or it just snaps.

For an avg recreational player this will for sure last longer.

Would you consider switching to this string?:
I am very thankful to Tennis Warehouse and Dunlop Srixon for giving me the opportunity to playtest this string. But the string did not do enough to make me want to switch to it. For $18 a set (please correct me if I am wrong on price) I feel it is overpriced and there are many better options out there.

There are actually some of the strings that are much cheaper being sold by TW right now, and which I feel are pretty good and provide the same traits this string did.

List any additional thoughts (optional):
Here are a few observations:

1) The string was very slippery in hand and felt sort of waxy kind of coating to it. In my opinion this would make for an excellent cross string (snapback) for hybrid setups.

2) My stringer told me it was easy to string. No coil memory issues, easy on the hands. No kinking etc.

3) In the first 5-10 mins I could hearing this slight pinging sort of noise upon ball contact but then as strings settled in, it went away. I use a dampener so I noticed the pinging feedback right away. I think it was just one of those times strings hadn't settled in because I took the stick to play right off the stringer mount.

4) I haven't tried the Silk Pro and the Comfort Pro sent in the package (thank you for that) but when I do I will definitely follow up here.

Conclusion:
Overall, not a bad string at all. It does everything well, is comfortable and a good option for those looking for an all around poly. The only downside as I mentioned above is the price. At $18 a set, and with the amount of string I use, the price is out of my wallets comfort zone.

Finally, thank you again, @TW Staff and Dunlop Srixon for giving us this opportunity to playtest these new strings. It was a fun playtest. Much appreciated.
 

mogo

Rookie
Dunlop Explosive Red 17G
String Review



· Tension(s) used for playtest
58pds

· Regular string setup:
Hyper-G 17g @ 58pds

· Comment on the feel and/or comfort:
Feel was stiff, as this is a low powered string to begin with. After the first two hitting sessions I really liked the feel of the string as it felt smooth at contact not a lot of give or trampoline affect. Ball was easy to control and I liked the first 1.5 hrs. with the string.

· Comment on control (were you able to execute a full stroke consistently without over hitting?)
Shots were very consistent and depth was a plus. It was harder to add spin without really flicking through the ball. I adjusted and hit flatter strokes, it was not an issue to hit flat but I usually play with margin and spin on my shots. I think if you have a very flat game this is a string you will like. I have moved my forehand grip over to more semi western to get more spin.

· Comment on the spin-potential:
Spin is about a 6 out of 10. The longer you hit with the string the less spin you can generate without having to really flick your wrist. I would say this string is good for about 4 to 5 hours if you are looking for spin, but the more it notches the more you can flatten out your shots. Depth and pace were not an issue with this string.

· Playability duration (how well did the control and feel hold up over multiple sessions?)
Control does start to fade a little after about 4 to 5 hours, I started to sail some tennis balls long and it was harder to keep my ground strokes in but if you keep it flat or have a flat game it should work just fine. A BIG plus were first serves, you can just grip and rip without fear of missing even after 5 hours. It was the highlight of this playtest. Update: 7-hour mark and strings are close to breaking but my first serves are being amped up and the control is great. I changed my forehand to a semi-western to get extra spin on my forehand side. Seems to have done the trick. I have broken strings at about the 8hr mark.

· Would you consider switching to this string?
Not so much switching yet, but I do want to test this string out more!!
In comparison, Hyper-G has extra flex and spin you can roll and slice harder. But if you are a flat, first strike tennis player this may be a string to test. After playing a couple more sets I am actually thinking of ordering some packs. I am really liking how I can hit my first serve and the control I am getting. I’m curious to see if it would feel the same on my RF97A as it is currently strung on my Clash Tour.

· List any additional thoughts (optional)
String movement was really awesome, the strings did not have much movement during the playtest. That was a big plus, usually when strings are close to breaking there is a lot of movement and play but these strings had minimal movement throughout the test. I think it helped with the power aspect during hitting, especially on serves. The string does notch fast but it could also be the Clash Tour racquet as it has an open pattern.

Price point is high at 18.00 a pack in comparison to Hyper-G, but this string does allow you to hit a huge flat ball with control. In this category I would say its almost like a LXN 4G string.

Thank you to DUNLOP and TW for giving me the opportunity playtest Explosive Red. And thank you for the extra sets of silk pro and comfort pro strings!!!!!

 
mogo, I take it that with the lead at 10, 12, and 2, that you tend to like to hit high on the stringbed? That's exactly where you broke the string.
 

mogo

Rookie
mogo, I take it that with the lead at 10, 12, and 2, that you tend to like to hit high on the stringbed? That's exactly where you broke the string.
@Injured Again

I have been trying a couple lead tape setups on the Clash Tour and this seems to help with the plow through since the frame is very head light to begin with. So far it feels good, I like the Clash Tour in stock form but the extra lead helps with a little more stability on contact.
 

Jogo Bonito

New User
@Injured Again

I have been trying a couple lead tape setups on the Clash Tour and this seems to help with the plow through since the frame is very head light to begin with. So far it feels good, I like the Clash Tour in stock form but the extra lead helps with a little more stability on contact.
Have you placed any additional mass in the handle? Or did it not need any?
 

bleno567

Semi-Pro
I think the obvious string for comparison with Explosive Red would be pro red code. Anybody that tried the explosive red also have experience with red code regular/wax?
 

haqq777

Legend
I think the obvious string for comparison with Explosive Red would be pro red code. Anybody that tried the explosive red also have experience with red code regular/wax?
My TW playtest for Technifibre Red Code Wax from a few years ago underneath. I had just played with regular Code Red before playtesting the Wax version.

https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?threads/tennis-warehouse-tecnifibre-co-poly-playtest.560274/#post-10228663

The Dunlop Explosive Red was not as soft, and was bit more powerful, just to give an idea. But obviously it isn't true apples to apples (different playtest racquets and string tensions).
 

woodje12

Rookie
My Solinco Revolution 1.25 had finally lost too much tension, and was mostly notched through at about 15 hours of play. I removed it and strung up the Dunlop Explosive Red at 49 pounds in the center mains and 46 pounds in the center crosses. The Explosive Red doesn't have that plasticky, brittle feel that some poly strings have. It has a shiny and slick exterior, with average coil memory. Elasticity was medium low, and the racquet lost about 1.5 grams from the Revolution that was in there just prior. I added back the weight with some lead tape at 3 and 9 o'clock.

With the warmer weather back again, I'll be hitting outdoors for a couple of hours tomorrow.

Hey @Injured Again I use the same dampener (Prince Silencer I believe) and have a tip for you. You may not care, but technically your current set up is illegal. No one ever called me on it but I was mildly nervous given some yahoos out there who would love nothing better than a "free" default instead of actually playing tennis... Anyway there's an easy fix. The issue is that the top of the dampener "loops" go above the bottom cross which is the violation.

So all you have to do next time is to string it so that the dampener is ONLY on the mains (not at the juncture between the mains & crosses) -- that way the loops are not installed above the bottom cross string. I just snug my dampener right up against the bottom cross but because no part of it goes above, it's 100% legal. Again, you might not be worried about it but just a heads up.

I had my son string up my racket with the Explosive Red in a hybrid with the Comfort Pro so I can take a pic later if that would be useful...
 
@Injured Again

I have been trying a couple lead tape setups on the Clash Tour and this seems to help with the plow through since the frame is very head light to begin with. So far it feels good, I like the Clash Tour in stock form but the extra lead helps with a little more stability on contact.
I hit with a guy in the morning who uses the Clash and agree with you about the headlightness. It feels too whippy to me in stock form though it does have a plush feel on contact that is different from other frames at its weight. I'd guess that adding weight makes it feel dynamically stiffer when making contact with the ball?
 
Hey @Injured Again I use the same dampener (Prince Silencer I believe) and have a tip for you. You may not care, but technically your current set up is illegal. No one ever called me on it but I was mildly nervous given some yahoos out there who would love nothing better than a "free" default instead of actually playing tennis... Anyway there's an easy fix. The issue is that the top of the dampener "loops" go above the bottom cross which is the violation.

So all you have to do next time is to string it so that the dampener is ONLY on the mains (not at the juncture between the mains & crosses) -- that way the loops are not installed above the bottom cross string. I just snug my dampener right up against the bottom cross but because no part of it goes above, it's 100% legal. Again, you might not be worried about it but just a heads up.

I had my son string up my racket with the Explosive Red in a hybrid with the Comfort Pro so I can take a pic later if that would be useful...
Yeah, I've known for a long time that dampener was illegal, and every time I play a USTA or tournament match, I point out that I am using this dampener and if my opponent doesn't like it, I will change it out. I just like it! I'm a big fan of minimal string and frame vibration and the Silencer does the best job of all of them.

I've only had two guys ask me to change it out, both in USTA matches I believe in the 18 and over division. When I play open age group tournaments, no one in the 55's cares - we're all too old to worry about stuff like a dampener when the pressing question is "can I make it to the end of the match without needing a nap?"

In the past, I have done as you've suggested and just put it in place as I'm stringing the mains. It feels different somehow - maybe because it isn't pressed as firmly against the bottom cross? Anyhow, I carry both a Gamma worm, a Babolat three piece dampener set, and a regular generic dampener in case they're needed.

As a side note, I'm at about four hours on the Explosive Red. It continues to drop tension with every hit, but since I'm on android and the racquet tune app sucks on this platform, I don't know exactly how much - I can only tell that the ping is lower frequency. What is clear is that the string has changed since it started to notch. Spin is down on shots where I primarily hit through the ball, and on skimming type shots there's noticeably less grab. Launch angle is down, and I'm starting to lose confidence in second serves as I can't get the spin nor the proper direction. Flat first serves are still decent, and the stringbed is still not harsh when mis-hitting.
 

mogo

Rookie
I hit with a guy in the morning who uses the Clash and agree with you about the headlightness. It feels too whippy to me in stock form though it does have a plush feel on contact that is different from other frames at its weight. I'd guess that adding weight makes it feel dynamically stiffer when making contact with the ball?
Not sure about feeling stiffer with the lead tape but to me I feel that it helps to drive the ball through contact. With the Dunlop Explosive Red the feel was 100% stiffer in comparison to Hyper-G and I could just hammer a flat shot.
 

J011yroger

Talk Tennis Guru
Will be reporting on full and hybrid with the silk as my pro shop is a Dunlop dealer I have some extra sets.

Dropped off for stringing now.

J
 
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