Backhanded Compliment
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havent used either one. Lower launch angle than tc100 thoughInteresting. Thanks!
How does it compare to the Pro Staff 97 or Pure Strike?
havent used either one. Lower launch angle than tc100 thoughInteresting. Thanks!
How does it compare to the Pro Staff 97 or Pure Strike?
havent used either one. Lower launch angle than tc100 though
describe what you are after?Gotcha, thanks. Should I order one?
describe what you are after?
it might work... id demo it when available in a few weeks tbh. it shows promise, slight amounts of lead at 12 with much more in the tail made it a sub 12 oz stable spin machine still quite good at flat lazers. Way more free power than tc95 without the swingweight, not as accurate but good there too. Very nice and fun modern stick that even volleys and returns well with comfort.A more powerful PCG100
Can anyone compare the power and launch angle of the MP to other common racqiets?
My buddy who helped with the play test and whom I gave the racket to has now strung it up with Babolat hurricane Pro Tour 17 string, which was an old go to string for him when he was in high school. He likes it a lot because the crispness and he benefits from shaped strings. I think tourbite or cyclone would work great in the new speed MP too.Any new updates from users? Anyone switch full-time yet?
PART 2
Beyond the archetypes there are various qualities I can assign to the Head Graphene 360 Speed MP :
Feel: this new Speed MP is comfortable and not jarring, just as a 63RA rating from TW would suggest. The sweet spot is muted, which is kind to the arm. One might want to use strings that play crisper for more feedback, especially initially. The flex profile is also a return to Head's roots as purveyors of comfortably flexed frames. I am glad Head has returned to their roots as the most successful European style flexible tennis frame producer. The Head Speed Graphene 360 MP is kind on player's arms and I had zero pain from this stick. All of my other hitting partners agree with this assessment.
Topspin: Crucial to today's tennis this Speed MP rewards stinging the ball with whipping up the tip for maximum racquet acceleration. This puts some real hop on the ball and sometimes I took leaping swings to deal with that hop as well as hitting the ball more on the rise. A ball like that can trouble some opponents and frankly it is fun to play that way. We all found this thing hit wicked topspin backhands, forehands and serves.
Flat: Important for finishing points on shorter balls this stick is one of only a few modern open pattern sticks that Ive found produced today that encourages this laser like finishing move.
Slice: On serves one can really carve the ball and swing people out wide. Slice backhands were adequate but frankly I saw less of those as even my hitting partners found they were hitting more big topspin and flat backhands with this stick.
Aesthetics: With its asymmetric black and white paint scheme the stick looks excellent, yin and yang being both masculine and feminine, just like the racquet form itself is. The stick performs as it looks, uncomplicated and aggressive. I dont need a pep talk from a racquet when I look at its graphics and I love the faceted D like beam form. It feels nice in the hand too.
Final Assessment:
Overall, the Head Speed Graphene 360 MP is striking stick that begs to flash across the court with brilliant strokes that go for broke. You know what kind of player you face when someone shows up to a match with this stick. Quick and stinging this is a must demo for any player who loves their kick serve. In fact, I gave this Speed MP Graphene 360 demo to one of my hitting partners who had the massive kick serve. The last new frame he bought (also a Head) was stolen from him at work before he could even use it and I thought Id even out the Karma for him (Thanks Head and TW). I very much enjoyed hitting with him as he used the new Speed MP. We had hearty laughs over how much it improved/weaponized his one handed backhand and kick serve, he's a daredevil player who goes for his strokes and it suited his style wonderfully.
Very nice. I just can't seem to get past the Spiderman PJ on the Radicals, lol.Attended a Head Demo Day (night) yesterday. Did most of my live ball with a Prestige Mid but got to also hit a with a Radical (Pro I think) and the Speed Pro.
I don't recall the strings in the Radical or have any knowledge on the age...
Feedback/Feel - Radical
Power - Speed
I hear you on that...but it's not a deal breaker for me (so I say now)Very nice. I just can't seem to get past the Spiderman PJ on the Radicals, lol.
thanks, i do write professionally... just not about tennis (I am mostly being lazy here in these boards as i warm up) but I am available! I tried to innovate the form a little bit in the review and do something that I haven't seen done in a tennis racket review, incorporate the myth making that goes into picking a particular stick. We all play to have these myth making experiences on court, hence the reason we always use professional players as talking points even though are games may or may not have all that much relationship to the elite athletes we reference. The trick is to find a stick that helps deliver reality into the results while holding forth the promise of the mythical aspects we aspire to. Hope that makes sense? there's such a thing as technical writing but there's also more poetic stuff and tennis is a sport of emotional truths.You are 100% right on with your review. You should review professionally. You really nailed it with this racquet.
You should definitely demo if you can. I know of at least two people who have now switched from Touch version Speed MP to the new 360 citing better feel/feedback.Im looking forward to trying a 360 mp but i dont think its going to outdo the previous model (graphene touch speed mp). Adding power to racquets will only improve your game if your strokes are feeble.
PART 2
Beyond the archetypes there are various qualities I can assign to the Head Graphene 360 Speed MP :
Feel: this new Speed MP is comfortable and not jarring, just as a 63RA rating from TW would suggest. The sweet spot is muted, which is kind to the arm. One might want to use strings that play crisper for more feedback, especially initially. The flex profile is also a return to Head's roots as purveyors of comfortably flexed frames. I am glad Head has returned to their roots as the most successful European style flexible tennis frame producer. The Head Speed Graphene 360 MP is kind on player's arms and I had zero pain from this stick. All of my other hitting partners agree with this assessment.
Topspin: Crucial to today's tennis this Speed MP rewards stinging the ball with whipping up the tip for maximum racquet acceleration. This puts some real hop on the ball and sometimes I took leaping swings to deal with that hop as well as hitting the ball more on the rise. A ball like that can trouble some opponents and frankly it is fun to play that way. We all found this thing hit wicked topspin backhands, forehands and serves.
Flat: Important for finishing points on shorter balls this stick is one of only a few modern open pattern sticks that Ive found produced today that encourages this laser like finishing move.
Slice: On serves one can really carve the ball and swing people out wide. Slice backhands were adequate but frankly I saw less of those as even my hitting partners found they were hitting more big topspin and flat backhands with this stick.
Aesthetics: With its asymmetric black and white paint scheme the stick looks excellent, yin and yang being both masculine and feminine, just like the racquet form itself is. The stick performs as it looks, uncomplicated and aggressive. I dont need a pep talk from a racquet when I look at its graphics and I love the faceted D like beam form. It feels nice in the hand too.
Final Assessment:
Overall, the Head Speed Graphene 360 MP is striking stick that begs to flash across the court with brilliant strokes that go for broke. You know what kind of player you face when someone shows up to a match with this stick. Quick and stinging this is a must demo for any player who loves their kick serve. In fact, I gave this Speed MP Graphene 360 demo to one of my hitting partners who had the massive kick serve. The last new frame he bought (also a Head) was stolen from him at work before he could even use it and I thought Id even out the Karma for him (Thanks Head and TW). I very much enjoyed hitting with him as he used the new Speed MP. We had hearty laughs over how much it improved/weaponized his one handed backhand and kick serve, he's a daredevil player who goes for his strokes and it suited his style wonderfully.
thanks, i do write professionally... just not about tennis (I am mostly being lazy here in these boards as i warm up) but I am available! I tried to innovate the form a little bit in the review and do something that I haven't seen done in a tennis racket review, incorporate the myth making that goes into picking a particular stick. We all play to have these myth making experiences on court, hence the reason we always use professional players as talking points even though are games may or may not have all that much relationship to the elite athletes we reference. The trick is to find a stick that helps deliver reality into the results while holding forth the promise of the mythical aspects we aspire to. Hope that makes sense? there's such a thing as technical writing but there's also more poetic stuff and tennis is a sport of emotional truths.
I really like that Head is getting back to their roots with the new speeds... for whatever reason my strokes are not as satisfying if I'm using an over 65 ra frame and this new speed MP was a lot of fun to hit with I really was very satisfying if I were just coming back to the sport right now, or a new highschool player I might choose this frame.
Another fact, my first professional writing gig was winning a kswiss essay contest when I was in high school... I won a year supply of shoes, which was really great because I was playing five times a week for 2 to 3 hours each day.
I like this forum because tennis geeks are so passionate yet have some empirical concerns that cannot be ignored. The empirical effects the emotional in unpredictable ways and i find the subjectivity very interesting.
Not to be that guy, but i would be surprised if you werent on the tw/head payroll.
You need to just compare it to heads best racquets like the pro stocks and the pt 630.
Even better, you could compare it to the previous generation graphene touch speed mp, although telling everyone the 360 had less control, less spin generation, and was less consistency boosting than the older model- wouldnt mesh too well with your “the head 360 mp is the greatest racquet ever” review.
Although you do a good job of hiding your intentions in a well thought out manner.
Absolutely, nothing but good things to say for @Backhanded ComplimentNo, you are wrong. He is just a good writer and was on the review. He advocates for angell more than anything else, not because of their payroll, but because he likes their frames as many do here. Do your research first new user.
I see that hes a great writer but it was kind of a subtle graphene 360 siren song to me. Like he didnt blurt out “buy this racquet, its the best!” But he did essentially say that in a velvet hammer kind of way. Bottom line is that the added power makes the 360 speed racquets less of a players racquet than the touch speed racquets of 2016/2017. I would wager the 2017 graphene touch speed mp had alot in common with the pro tour 630. The main characteristic of the g touch speed mp that made it have such high control was its low power and polarized balance. When they reach a zenith like they did with the pt 630 and (imo) the gt speed mp, head should stop and admit they made the perfect players racquet. And change from perfection is a detractor. The gts mp was perfect. Read the reviews. Head wants to pretend they improve their racquets with every iteration, but they are mainly just hurling gimmicks to get consumers to buy the “new and improved” racquet.No, you are wrong. He is just a good writer and was on the review. He advocates for angell more than anything else, not because of their payroll, but because he likes their frames as many do here. Do your research first new user.
I give Graphene Touch Speed Midplus an 8/10. Two points deducted for low power and twisting. Both can be fixed by modification. It seems these two issues were addressed adequately by the new version.I see that hes a great writer but it was kind of a subtle graphene 360 siren song to me. Like he didnt blurt out “buy this racquet, its the best!” But he did essentially say that in a velvet hammer kind of way. Bottom line is that the added power makes the 360 speed racquets less of a players racquet than the touch speed racquets of 2016/2017. I would wager the 2017 graphene touch speed mp had alot in common with the pro tour 630. The main characteristic of the g touch speed mp that made it have such high control was its low power and polarized balance. When they reach a zenith like they did with the pt 630 and (imo) the gt speed mp, head should stop and admit they made the perfect players racquet. And change from perfection is a detractor. The gts mp was perfect. Read the reviews. Head wants to pretend they improve their racquets with every iteration, but they are mainly just hurling gimmicks to get consumers to buy the “new and improved” racquet.
But low power and polarized weight are what you want in a players racquet. If this forum was about catering to old people with 1 foot groundstrokes then im sure nobody would be here.I give Graphene Touch Speed Midplus an 8/10. Two points deducted for low power and twisting. Both can be fixed by modification. It seems these two issues were addressed adequately by the new version.
lol... you are the only person to write the 360 mp is "the greatest racket ever"... I simply found it a fun, potent and comfortable stick. I suspected my friend might find its properties a good fit. He did find it to have what he was looking for and it is now his main stick. Thanks TW and Head.Not to be that guy, but i would be surprised if you werent on the tw/head payroll.
You need to just compare it to heads best racquets like the pro stocks and the pt 630.
Even better, you could compare it to the previous generation graphene touch speed mp, although telling everyone the 360 had less control, less spin generation, and was less consistency boosting than the older model- wouldnt mesh too well with your “the head 360 mp is the greatest racquet ever” review.
Although you do a good job of hiding your intentions in a well thought out manner.
I see that hes a great writer but it was kind of a subtle graphene 360 siren song to me. Like he didnt blurt out “buy this racquet, its the best!” But he did essentially say that in a velvet hammer kind of way. Bottom line is that the added power makes the 360 speed racquets less of a players racquet than the touch speed racquets of 2016/2017. I would wager the 2017 graphene touch speed mp had alot in common with the pro tour 630. The main characteristic of the g touch speed mp that made it have such high control was its low power and polarized balance. When they reach a zenith like they did with the pt 630 and (imo) the gt speed mp, head should stop and admit they made the perfect players racquet. And change from perfection is a detractor. The gts mp was perfect. Read the reviews. Head wants to pretend they improve their racquets with every iteration, but they are mainly just hurling gimmicks to get consumers to buy the “new and improved” racquet.
I give Graphene Touch Speed Midplus an 8/10. Two points deducted for low power and twisting. Both can be fixed by modification. It seems these two issues were addressed adequately by the new version.
But low power and polarized weight are what you want in a players racquet. If this forum was about catering to old people with 1 foot groundstrokes then im sure nobody would be here.
To me the most exciting thing about racquets is trying to figure out which racquets each manufacturer made in the past that were at the pinnacle of pro level capability. Im in the camp that thinks racket manufacturers should release all their secret pro stocks to the public. Nobody here will argue that the pt 630 isnt better than 90 percent of the gimmick garbage that comes out every year.
Yes, BHC has been trolling these forums spreading clever innuendo and silky spin for TW and racquet companies. It is all a trap that you masterfully figured out. The Djoker is in the houseNot to be that guy, but i would be surprised if you werent on the tw/head payroll.
You need to just compare it to heads best racquets like the pro stocks and the pt 630.
Even better, you could compare it to the previous generation graphene touch speed mp, although telling everyone the 360 had less control, less spin generation, and was less consistency boosting than the older model- wouldnt mesh too well with your “the head 360 mp is the greatest racquet ever” review.
Although you do a good job of hiding your intentions in a well thought out manner.
lol what i take from this is:Clown post. Do you play with a wooden racquet? Otherwise you are some old person with 1 foot groundstrokes. Or wait, maybe racquet reviews are subjective and what is good to you is low powered for someone else? And what is low powered to you is high for someone else?
But no, clearly Backhanded Compliment must be a secret shill because he likes a racquet that you don't.
Come to think of it, you sound like a Wilson shill. How much are they paying you?
Why are you getting all hot and bothered?Clown post. Do you play with a wooden racquet? Otherwise you are some old person with 1 foot groundstrokes. Or wait, maybe racquet reviews are subjective and what is good to you is low powered for someone else? And what is low powered to you is high for someone else?
But no, clearly Backhanded Compliment must be a secret shill because he likes a racquet that you don't.
Come to think of it, you sound like a Wilson shill. How much are they paying you?
It was just a thought. It just seemed like you were saying every change was an improvement, even when the changes were taking the 360 away from players racquet territory.lol what i take from this is:
would Head and TW pay me to write about Angell? Would Angell pay me to write about Head? Clearly im not getting paid enough (in fact zilch) Robin Soderling owes me lunch for really amping up RSLyon (i could write your biography RS, seriously, i do bios). Kswiss and addidas also are gear i use.
but yeah, im legit. i write about things i like and actually have used. Ive relied on others imput on gear on this forum. It is a great resource and i figure i should help others as they have helped me. Ive never received a dime for tennis writing anywhere and have spent good money to use Head gear for decades. Once my ytpmp cracked under warranty and they sent me a new IGPMP. Good company, they stand by their products. Ive owned perhaps 10 Head sticks over the years and still have 2.
Why are you getting all hot and bothered?
Every player review ive seen of the gtspeed mp has been between positive and amazing. Its not subjective either. I have already run into people on this forum who say the same thing about the racquets consistency. My angle is that i want more people to try the 2017 graphene touch speed mp because i think its one of the best racquets head has ever made. I have demo’d tons of racquets over the years but none of them came close to blowing my socks off like the gts mp did. And i understand some players migbt like the added power of the new 360 speed. But i simply dont find power (non players) racquets to be the least bit interesting. Pro tennis is about high power swings and low power racquets. I apologize for finding professional tennis racquet dynamics more interesting than the retiree leasure pwr racquet that doesnt guide you to become a better tennis player. Im sure alot of skilled members here are sick of hearing about this and that racquets power level etc...Because you were calling a respected poster a marketing shill, and also acting as if your subjective opinion is the be-all-end-all of racquet reviews.
i havent played the previous mp though ive hit with the first mp. to my mind the Speed line is a new kind of stick... not purely a low powered "players" control stick and not a tweener either. People bring such expectations to sticks but i found it to be an exciting experience... built for stinging mostly baseline tennis, but not defensive oriented or patient tennis. It encourages riskier initiative taking tennis.It was just a thought. It just seemed like you were saying every change was an improvement, even when the changes were taking the 360 away from players racquet territory.
Every player review ive seen of the gtspeed mp has been between positive and amazing. Its not subjective either. I have already run into people on this forum who say the same thing about the racquets consistency. My angle is that i want more people to try the 2017 graphene touch speed mp because i think its one of the best racquets head has ever made. I have demo’d tons of racquets over the years but none of them came close to blowing my socks off like the gts mp did. And i understand some players migbt like the added power of the new 360 speed. But i simply dont find power (non players) racquets to be the least bit interesting. Pro tennis is about high power swings and low power racquets. I apologize for finding professional tennis racquet dynamics more interesting than the retiree leasure pwr racquet that doesnt guide you to become a better tennis player. Im sure alot of skilled members here are sick of hearing about this and that racquets power level etc...
But you are playing with a high power racquet. Your racquet would have been considered a granny racquet in the 90s.
It's funny how you equate the new Speed MP, which is only slightly more powerful, with some 110 sq in racquet. Completely bogus.
Im mainly saying the new 360 line is going in the wrong direction. As was said, the graphene touch line wasnt as low power as it gets. So i wouldve been thrilled if the new graphene 360 line had gone in the direction of less power. That might have made the racquet have even more control than the graphene touch line. Head went the other direction tho, which means they must have not considered the graphene touch line a players racquet line. I think head should have considered it a players racquet, and gone in the less power/more control direction with the new graphene 360 line.
Maybe they will come up with a new line in 2020 that continues the graphene touch line and takes it even further into low power/players racquet specs.