Tennis Warehouse Playtest: 2016 Wilson Pro Staff RF 97 Autograph

I've been hearing that the actual swingweight is a little higher in this new version. So actual sw being higher than posted specs.
From what I noticed that was posted the swingweight appears to be the same. There are manufacturer tolerances that will always give you varying measurements. My very first RF97 was a higher swingweight (over 335 strung stock) but my other 4 that I rotate are all under 335 strung before any modifications.
 
I have hit with it but I was actually not playing tennis much during the Edberg and Sampras glory years. I was a professional dog handler and was competing in the squared circle to borrow a pro wrestling term. I did not play tennis at all from 1987-1999.
Oh wow, woof!!
 
From what I noticed that was posted the swingweight appears to be the same. There are manufacturer tolerances that will always give you varying measurements. My very first RF97 was a higher swingweight (over 335 strung stock) but my other 4 that I rotate are all under 335 strung before any modifications.

Ok. Thanks.
 
Angell TC 95 RA 63 with BB Ace 18 @ 66.5 pounds. Before buying the RF I would strongly suggest a demo of the Angell TC 95 and/or 97! [emoji462][emoji471][emoji462][emoji471][emoji462]

I've been hitting with HEAD PT 630's and 280's and the Pure Strike Tour. Contemplating if I should try the RF97 again. Did you get the Angel's new or buy them used from TW members?
 
Bought them new and they are absolutely top quality yet very affordable . [emoji462][emoji41][emoji462]

Sweet. i guess i'm a Federer fan boy after all. Held off as long as I could and pulled the trigger on two of the new RF97's today. lol. I handpicked the lightest two in stock and ended up at 12.6 with wilson stock leather grip, wilson overgrip, biphase lux hybrid and dampener. That's pretty sweet and should be right in my wheel house!!! I did it, I said wheel house. Cringe worthy based on how often Troy of TW uses it. Hahahaha.
 
Sweet. i guess i'm a Federer fan boy after all. Held off as long as I could and pulled the trigger on two of the new RF97's today. lol. I handpicked the lightest two in stock and ended up at 12.6 with wilson stock leather grip, wilson overgrip, biphase lux hybrid and dampener. That's pretty sweet and should be right in my wheel house!!! I did it, I said wheel house. Cringe worthy based on how often Troy of TW uses it. Hahahaha.

I look forward to your video!
 
I believe that there was some interest to see what the weight/lead piece looked like in the handle by manufacturer attached to the hairpin. This is from the new graphic Wilson Pro Staff 97 Spin Effect.

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I believe that there was some interest to see what the weight/lead piece looked like by manufacturer in the handle attached to the hairpin. This is from the new graphic Wilson Pro Staff 97 Spin Effect.

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Have you had a chance to hit with the newest iteration 2016 PS 97S?
 
Have you had a chance to hit with the newest iteration 2016 PS 97S?
Hello @Fxanimator1
I was doing some customization work for a teaching pro in the NY area. This was the first one of these frames with the new graphics that I have seen. @PeterFig has a lot of time on court with this frame. He does an excellent job articulating how the various frames play. I always totally agree with his assessments.
 
From what I noticed that was posted the swingweight appears to be the same. There are manufacturer tolerances that will always give you varying measurements. My very first RF97 was a higher swingweight (over 335 strung stock) but my other 4 that I rotate are all under 335 strung before any modifications.
The two I just purchased are much much easier to swing than all my previous RF's. I did select the lightest ones I could find in regards to static weight. I've never measured swing weight before, so I have no way of knowing if all my older RF's (And I had about 10 of them) were on the heavier side of the SW or if my new ones are lighter than the posted 335. Both new frames are strung with biphase lux hybrid, leather grip and wilson overgrip and dampener are 12.5-6 with one being 10 pts hl and the other 11pts hl. I'm ecstatic.
 
Geoff and BHBH seem like some truly interesting people to hit with!!!! I don't even want to know how many dog trophies you have and what closet they are hiding in ;) One day, I hope to meet you two on a tennis court somewhere just to hit around and have lunch. I am a little younger (36), but just as dedicated to tennis!!!
 
Geoff and BHBH seem like some truly interesting people to hit with!!!! I don't even want to know how many dog trophies you have and what closet they are hiding in ;) One day, I hope to meet you two on a tennis court somewhere just to hit around and have lunch. I am a little younger (36), but just as dedicated to tennis!!!
We have a lot of dog art and some Best in Show trophies. None in closets. We each have trophies from our favorite wins that are out on display. My wife is still into the dog shows. Her number of dogs helps dilute/shadow my tennis collection. We are at 6 dogs currently. She has a trip to Slovenia to bring back another. I may be looking for a place to stay!
 
Geoff and BHBH seem like some truly interesting people to hit with!!!! I don't even want to know how many dog trophies you have and what closet they are hiding in ;) One day, I hope to meet you two on a tennis court somewhere just to hit around and have lunch. I am a little younger (36), but just as dedicated to tennis!!!
Hello @JohnBPittsburgh
Come to Nashville and enjoy the sights. Would love to meet you and get on court. Would be happy to show you my tennis caves!
 
We have a lot of dog art and some Best in Show trophies. None in closets. We each have trophies from our favorite wins that are out on display. My wife is still into the dog shows. Her number of dogs helps dilute/shadow my tennis collection. We are at 6 dogs currently. She has a trip to Slovenia to bring back another. I may be looking for a place to stay!

Most of my small racquet collection is in storage. I only have a few racquets currently with me that I play with.

btw, have you seen the movie Best in Show? Pretty funny.
 
Most of my small racquet collection is in storage. I only have a few racquets currently with me that I play with.

btw, have you seen the movie Best in Show? Pretty funny.
Hello @onehandbh that is a great movie. It's actiallly pretty close to the way dog shows are! A friend of mine is handling her Shetland Sheepdog at the end of the movie when they are in for Best in Show. That dog is the sire of one of our Shetland Sheepdogs. He was a well known dog in the world of Shetland Sheepdogs. How is that for useless self serving information?
 
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Hello @onehandbh that is a great movie. It's actiallly pretty close to the way dog shows are! A friend of mine is handling her Shetland Sheepdog at the end of the movie when they are in for Best in Show. That dog is the site of one of our Shetland Sheepdogs. He was a well known dog in the world of Shetland Sheepdogs. How is that for useless self serving information?

Wow, small world. Loved that movie. A few years ago I met Jane Lynch, who was also in the movie, when I shot a video of her speaking about her book. She was very friendly and down-to-earth.

 
@Geoff review of the new 2016 Wilson Pro Staff RF97 Autograph

String and tension used for test:
  • Wilson Natural Gut 16 gauge @ 26kg in the mains
  • Luxilon ALU Power Rough 16L @ 25kg in the crosses
  • 5 Babolat Elastocross installed on both the 4th cross from the top and the 6th cross from the top (a la our hero from Switzerland)
  • Changed the 1/4 handle to a 3/8 handle
  • Replaced stock Wilson black leather grip with a Wilson tan leather grip
  • Wilson Pro Overgrip (white)
  • 372g static weight, 31.8cm balance, 339kg/cm2 swingweight, 68RA
Tennis experience/background:
  • USTA NTRP rating 4.5
  • USTA ranking in 55 and over Singles in the Southern section and in the state of Tennessee
  • Played college tennis at the University of Alabama-Birmingham
  • USPTA certified Elite Pro
  • Started playing tennis in 1975
Describe your playing style (i.e. serve & volley):
  • All court player trying to add serve and volley, chip and charge. Strengths are consistency and foot speed (for my age!).
Current racquet/string setups:
  • Wilson Pro Staff RF97 Autograph
  • 4 3/8
  • Wilson Natural Gut 16 gauge @ 26kg in the mains
  • Luxilon ALU Power Rough 16L @ 25kg in the crosses
  • 5 Babolat Elastocross installed on both the 4th cross from the top and the 6th cross from the top (a la our hero from Switzerland)
  • Wilson Pro Overgrip (white)
  • 364g static weight, 30.8cm balance, 335kg/cm2 swingweight

How many hours did you play with the racquet?
  • 15 hours and counting as of 8/22
Comments on racquet performance:
  • Groundstrokes: Maintains the same classic Pro Staff feel as first reviewed by @drakulie. This racquet in my opinion excels in precision of shot. I experienced no unexpected "trampolining". The racquet delivers what you put into it, with a crisp feel at contact whether hitting topspin. slice or flat. In my opinion power can be affected by string type and tension which ultimately comes down to personal preferences. I find the RF97 very maneuverable. The added weight does not bother me but I have always played with 12+ ounce racquets. My practice partners commented that I was able to hit a deeper heavier ball when I switched to the RF97.
  • Serves: As with the groundstrokes I had no transition period to be able to feel comfortable with the RF97 on the serve. I do not possess a big serve but have to rely on placement for any "easier" points. The feel on correctly hit spin serves is very pleasing. I do not find that the RF97 has any issues in being able to hit slice, flat or kick serves. The only fault is in user error! This racquet is a big time control racquet so balls go where you hit them. I find the feel consistent each time I play and know what to expect from a racquet responsiveness perspective.
  • Volleys: I think that volleys are definitely one of the shots where you will feel the advantages of the RF97 right away. The headsize and shape lend itself to being able to add good bite on the shot. The racquet has a high enough swingweight that allows the racquet to be head light adding to the maneuverability at the net. The open string pattern also adds to giving the volley the necessary underspin to keep the ball bouncing low off the court.
  • Serve returns: The stock weight of this racquet makes it very stable on hard hit serves. I do not experience any twisting at impact. I feel confident on returns whether hitting out on a return or chipping a return. The RF97 allows me the confidence to do something with a return on even well placed serves. The RF97 seems to allow one to handle balls effectively whether set up well or on the move. Once again the traditional Pro Staff precision and feel are evident on returns of serve.
General reaction/comments on overall performance:
  • The new 2016 Wilson Pro Staff RF97 Autograph plays identical to the original Wilson Pro Staff RF97 Autograph in virtually every aspect from my perspective. I feel that the added silicone in the handle makes the new frame even more comfortable due to the obvious dampening from the silicone. However there is no loss of feel or responsiveness from this addition. The stock black leather grip is thinner than the stock tan leather grip found on the original RF97. For me personally transitioning in 2014 from the Wilson Pro Staff 90 lineage of frames gave me much needed added depth, spin and power. I did not need a transition or break in period and welcomed the immediate added benefits of a larger head size without any sacrifice in control. I have never felt any fatigue from the weight of the RF97 in long matches or over the course of a tournament. I find the combination of balance, static weight and swingweight very appealing in stock form. I tweak mine slightly to insure that all of the racquets in my bag are identical.
Here is my Academy Award acceptance speech. Thank you to @PeterFig for the amazing work on the graphics of this new frame and sharing some of the behind the scenes action of what goes on in the design process at Wilson Tennis with the Talk Tennis at Tennis Warehouse community. Thank you to Wilson Tennis for working with Tennis Warehouse to make this play test and many other previous play tests a possibility for the Talk Tennis community. And thank you to Tennis Warehouse for your hard work in having a forum that we can share and learn from each other as well as the privilege to play test this exciting new racquet!

I know this was posted earlier, but here is my video review. Thanks to the video editing talents of @onehandbh and the incredible on court consistency of @BounceHitBounceHit !
Geoff, first thank you for such a detailed and excellent review. I was quite confused about how different the two frames were in the TWU power map representation (the 2016 rf97 autograph numbers were relatively lower with a swing weight of 322!) but i believe the numbers may not truly representative from what i have read especially if the tested sample is an outlier. My apologies if i am mistaken, but be that as it may i have no more doubts based on your post.
 
Geoff, first thank you for such a detailed and excellent review. I was quite confused about how different the two frames were in the TWU power map representation (the 2016 rf97 autograph numbers were relatively lower with a swing weight of 322!) but i believe the numbers may not truly representative from what i have read especially if the tested sample is an outlier. My apologies if i am mistaken, but be that as it may i have no more doubts based on your post.
Hello @ppmishra
@PeterFig has also confirmed that they are the exact same frames. He is as reliable as you can get!
 
I'm not going to glitter the board with this, but apparently there was some interest (from another thread) in accumulating swingweights of the racquet for a particular spec. I'll start:

This is as written on my little matching spec sheet, all racquets were unstrung:

Packaging weighs about 3g (referring to the plastic wrap on the handle)
Static Weight: 343.0g
Balance Point: 12" (12HL)
Swightweight: 305
 
I'm not going to glitter the board with this, but apparently there was some interest (from another thread) in accumulating swingweights of the racquet for a particular spec. I'll start:

This is as written on my little matching spec sheet, all racquets were unstrung:

Packaging weighs about 3g (referring to the plastic wrap on the handle)
Static Weight: 343.0g
Balance Point: 12" (12HL)
Swightweight: 305

https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/ind...-rf-97-autograph.569673/page-10#post-10575283
Unstrung:

These are the unstrung specs (the plastic on grip/handle was removed)

Static weight: 339g
Flex: 70RA
Swing weight: 305
Balance: 12 points HL

Strung (With OG):

I strung the stick with full bed of Volkl Cyclone 17 @ 52 lbs. The reason I chose a full bed of poly is because I am used to playing with this string a lot, and I feel I will be able to give better feedback/review using this. The overgrip used was Wilson Pro.

Static weight: 359.6g
Flex: 67 RA
Swing weight: 336
Balance: 10 points HL


My racquet's static weight was a little less but similar balance point and SW unstrung.
 
We had essentially the same static weight. Note that TW took into the account of the factory plastic wrap around the handle, which measured out to be 3g (I later confirmed it myself when I took it off). So my racquets were 340g unstrung.

Interesting. Maybe they upped the QC on the new ones since majority of play testers had similar specs. Yours are right on the dot as well. Have you strung it up and played with it yet?
 
Interesting. Maybe they upped the QC on the new ones since majority of play testers had similar specs. Yours are right on the dot as well. Have you strung it up and played with it yet?

Mine was 340 which was in the same, tight area as the other playtesters. It might be because it's from the same batch or it may be an improvement.

My approach on buying frames would still be the same: ask for the lightest frames and then customize them up. They will carry the best resale value for others looking for the same thing down the road.
 
Just measured 7 frames for swingweight. . The QC is so bad from Wilson again. From 304 to 335!!! Unstrung. And everything in between. .. stay away from this frame..
 
Hello.. I'm about 4.0-4.5 player playing with Pro Staff 97 2014 (315 g.) strung with MSV Focus Hex 1,23mm at 55/53Ibs - 25/24kg(nice string that covers it all.. spin, comfort, power, durability.. And it is not that expensive either). Before that i used rpm blast 1,25.. It only produced little more spin than focus hex..nothing else.. But it lasted shorter and the price was bigger so i switched from it..

My girl got me new black Pro Staff RF 97(340 g.) :) so my question is what string to use with it?

I always played with full poly, but with new heavyer racquet i may need(and want..) to try gut/poly or something less stiffer.. Champions choice is little expensive.. So to make the long story short - what is your suggestion -what string combination to use to get most results and not to spend that much money( Please name the combination)? Will I even benefit from that setup or to stick to my full poly setup and change nothing? Thanx [emoji4]
 
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Hello.. I'm about 4.0-4.5 player playing with Pro Staff 97 2014 (315 g.) strung with MSV Focus Hex 1,23mm at 55/53Ibs - 25/24kg(nice string that covers it all.. spin, comfort, power, durability.. And it is not that expensive either). Before that i used rpm blast 1,25.. It only produced little more spin than focus hex..nothing else.. But it lasted shorter and the price was bigger so i switched from it..

My girl got me new black Pro Staff RF 97(340 g.) :) so my question is what string to use with it?

I always played with full poly, but with new heavyer racquet i may need(and want..) to try gut/poly or something less stiffer.. Champions choice is little expensive.. So to make the long story short - what is your suggestion -what string combination to use to get most results and not to spend that much money( Please name the combination)? Will I even benefit from that setup or to stick to my full poly setup and change nothing? Thanx [emoji4]

Full Poly. Or you'll be restringing fairly frequently.
 
Thanks for your advice.. I'll try full poly and after that i wish to try some gut/poly just to feel the difference.. maybe some not expensive gut in mains and some poly for crosses. Someone that uses it.... will suggest something i hope(type and thickness ..).. [emoji4]
 
Thanks for your advice.. I'll try full poly and after that i wish to try some gut/poly just to feel the difference.. maybe some not expensive gut in mains and some poly for crosses. Someone that uses it.... will suggest something i hope(type and thickness ..).. [emoji4]

I used NXT + Poly, lasted 6 hours.

The open string pattern is nice for generating spin but the poly saws through the softer string.
 
I've used BB ALU Rough and Power over the years interchangeably and really didn't notice a difference in performance.
 
Personally, I found that 4G plays nice on the RF97.

I've never tried 4G but I had a look at the specs and it's stiffer than the regular stuff so I'm not surprised that it plays well. I'm not sure how good it is on the arm though.
 
Hi @kingcheetah, wrestling stories? Am I missing something? There may be some though, but not sure which you mean exactly.

Do you have the dimensions of the hairpin at the bottom (length and width)? I'm considering an extension project with rectangular aluminum tubing and am wondering if it's a fairly standard size that would be easy to get tubing for.

I looked up normal modulus and high-modulus rectangular tubing prices and that stuff costs a small fortune.
 
Do you have the dimensions of the hairpin at the bottom (length and width)? I'm considering an extension project with rectangular aluminum tubing and am wondering if it's a fairly standard size that would be easy to get tubing for.

I looked up normal modulus and high-modulus rectangular tubing prices and that stuff costs a small fortune.
Hi @movdqa. I am doing some pallets on some Wilson Pro Staff 90 frames and can measure that for you.
 
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