Tennis Warehouse Playtest: Luxilon ECO Power & ECO Rough

Well I'm bummed; broke a main today when stringing (starting the crosses). I've never had this happen before. This was with the Luxilon ECO Rough.

So I guess now its on to "the Luxilon ECO Power". Still have 20 ft of Rough though. So my review on ECO Rough is pending ...

update: ECO Power is in with no problems so the playtest will begin this evening around 5 p.m. for some doubles we'll see how long we last in 105 + degrees ... looking forward to using this nice string. Stringing it went pretty smoothly for a poly; it was kind of a dream poly to string ECO Power.

Update 2: lucked out! got in on the $ 4.00 / set sale today so i'm back in the game with ECO Rough ...
 
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First hit with Eco Power last night, 2 sets match. I was also testing the Yonex Tour balls, apparently not my favorite lol, hard as a rock. Maybe I was off last night, could also be the ball issue, it wasn't a good session. The string bed is boardy, dead and muted. It seems to make the sweet spot smaller too.

Gonna give it another try tonight, with my regular balls(Dunlop), hope it will feel better, first impression is it's a dead/control/big hitter string.
 
I decided to first try the Eco Power. I strung it up on my RF97 and had some good hitting over the weekend.

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So far it feels really good. I will save the details for the full review. But I felt like a more sutable name would be "Eco Edge" or "Eco Spin" :) . This is an edged string with relatively sharper edges. Also does feel more like a "control" or spin string than a "power" string. Unique color, looks good on all black RF97.

Going to string up the Eco Rough today on my second RF97 so that I can have some side by side comparison.
 
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I decided to first try the Eco Power. I strung it up on my RF97 and had some good hitting over the weekend.

ecopwr.jpg

So far it feels really good. I will save the details for the full review. But I felt like a more sutable name would be "Eco Edge" or "Eco Spin" :) . This is an edged string with relatively sharper edges. Also does feel more like a "control" or spin string than a "power" string. Unique color, looks good on all black RF97.

Going to string up the Eco Rough today on my second RF97 so that I can have some side by side comparison.
So far, I 100% enjoyed my playtest with this string. I think it's almost time for me to cut it out as I think playability has gone down for me last night (will give it another try to confirm it's the strings and not me lol), but I don't think I feel or agree with what you witnessed/saw/felt.

It is a shaped hexagonal string, but when stringing it and playing with it and comparing it to the popular hexagonal strings, these are not aggressively shaped at all. Playing-wise, it feels pretty much like a round string (which I love), but Luxilon has many other lines that generate more spin than this. I think the use of the word ECO power is that this will be the standard of the ECO line, and it's mirroring that of the ALU line's ALU Power.

For my playstyle, I genuinely love the string, the hard part to bite is playability duration to cost ratio which seems to be the case with most Luxilon strings at the recreational level (given this is recycled material, I'd love to support the cause and am more understanding of the higher pricing). But besides playability, there are plenty of Pros for me to talk about regarding this string!
 
standard of the ECO line
Wait a second, so shouldn't the "ECO Rough" be called "ECO Power Rough" (we have ALU Power Rough) ;)

It had been a few years since I last tried ALU Power Rough. But seems like the texture of "ECO Rough" as well as color looks very similar to that of ALU Power Rough.
Any of the play testers has ALU Power Rough handy to get a realtime comparison of texture/color ? (or even better an actual hitting comparison, if you happen to already be using ALU Power Rough).
 
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Interesting. In a way, the difference in feel/opinion by people like us are what makes strinigng reviews like this fun. Where is the real fun if everyone feel the same :)
Yep, definitely part of the fun! So many other factors that contribute to reviews in terms of racket, string tensions, playstyle, swing mechanics, etc.
Wait a second, so shouldn't the "ECO Rough" be called "ECO Power Rough" (we have ALU Power Rough) ;)
It was a theory, don't hold it against me, haha.
 
Wait a second, so shouldn't the "ECO Rough" be called "ECO Power Rough" (we have ALU Power Rough) ;)

It had been a few years since I last tried ALU Power Rough. But seems like the texture of "ECO Rough" as well as color looks very similar to that of ALU Power Rough.
Any of the play testers has ALU Power Rough handy to get a realtime comparison of texture/color ? (or even better an actual hitting comparison, if you happen to already be using ALU Power Rough).
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I have 6-7 hours court time with Luxilon ECO Rough. 45/47 in a Pure Strike 98
They do have a decent amount of power, spin is good - not great -, control is respectable. So far I have to say I am still liking the response. After the first hour or so, they loosened up a tiny bit and play even better.
They seem to do a good job all-around - which suits me well. Nothing stands out and that is okay with me, because what I am looking for is consistency. So far they do everything well or well enough so I can concentrate on playing. No deal breakers for me with this one, so I am happy to be testing it.

No surprises - just a good solid string with good feel, touch, power spin and control. So far durability is not an issue either. What I like best is the consistency - no matter how powerful the shot, especially when playing defense or returning. ECO Rough seems to be able to take it and let me redirect that power to stay in the point. ER seems to play better when tested by your opponents pace - great for when I face big hitters and need go "counter puncher" mode! It is not a dull lifeless poly either, enough pop and a direct crisp feel without being harsh on my arm.

This is a string I wouldn't hesitate to play with anytime. No big WOW factor here - just solid performance in each area. This string gives you confidence to play how you want which is what I look for in my favorite strings.
 
First impressions play test with ECO Power yesterday Tuedsay Aug. 15; 109 outside temp probably just over 100 in the shade at 5 p.m. to 7:45 pm Three sets of doubles. Nor Cal ... just north of Sacramento; so you know it's hot.

Strung Dunlop 300g at 50 lbs. around noon that day. So about 5 hours prior to hitting. First break-in during warm ups; wow talk about pop coming from these strings ... it was a nice sound. Found the stringbed to be comfortable and predictable. Found the string to be pretty easy to string up for a poly.

Ground strokes:

- backhand slice - very good to superior to any string I've tried recently; and noticeably better than anything I have in the other two frames and have used recently.

- backhand and forehand topspin - no hesitation to hit out from either side ... this string inspired confidence to put as much pace / spin and I felt necessary at any time.

- flat shots (block back returns) or short angle cross court - a control shot where I did not find anything unpredictable or "flying" which surprised me considering the heat.

Volleys and Overheads - very good control and placement with ECO power. Touch volleys or put aways ... both were good seemed to be almost a perfect combo of control/power.

Serves -- this was truly a stand out string for serving; placement and spin with both slice down the tee or out wide; or kickers to the backhand side; well I would rate this string as superior; I had more aces and better placement with this string first time out than I think any other string I've tried this year. It was so confidence inspiring that I was completely amazed by it. Just the perfect combo of power and spin to get the job done nicely.

I hope this strings lasts for a good while because I'm pretty impressed by it already and can't wait to get back out for another go 'round! I'd like to continue testing it with some hard flat groundies with the ball machine; this is something I really couldn't test in the doubles sets.

Update: -- 24 hour tension loss is 5 lbs. Reference tension 50 lbs. now at 45 lbs. this would be considered normal.

Update - 8-22-23 - tension today 8-22-23 is 43 lbs. -- minimal decrease - hit with the ball machine last Friday 8-18-23 tension then was about 44 lbs. the session was good as it revealed many of the same things I found in doubles playtesting ... serves - above average to excellent control and spin, placement; groundstrokes - spin potential off both sides is there, volleys - lacking some feel and control; interesting and distinct "ping" when the sweet spot is struck; I don't use a dampener; there is some "boardyness" to this sting so I'm hoping that dissipates as the tension decreases. It would be very interesting to compare this string's "stats" on TW University if at some time they become available. I believe many players will like this string at the retail price mentioned in this thread especially if they want a pretty unique string.

Update -- 8-25-23 Saturday = two more sets of doubles in the book. String tension maintaining at 43 lbs. testing opinion hasn't changed much from the test above; I felt like this string bed has shrinked the sweet spot. Had to move around my backhand slice which is usually pretty reliable today (returning on the ad side) to hit forehand; lost confidence in this string on that backhand slice. Serving spin and accuracy with this string was still the strong point; opponent even mentioned it. Control on forehand ground strokes was fine. Volley feel wasn't great. Volley control was adequate. All in all another "ok" session. Nothing remarkable though.
 
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I guess I know which string I will use first whenever I decide I want to try out poly for a bit.
-yeah, the lux.eco.rough is a bit softer!!

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This is a string I wouldn't hesitate to play with anytime. No big WOW factor here - just solid performance in each area. This string gives you confidence to play how you want which is what I look for in my favorite strings.
-the WOW factor IMO is that its a RECYCLED string!
-the playability, comfort and the power is the PLUS!
 
3 more sets of dubs today with ECO Power at 105 degrees; it was super hot out there. I'm not going to count fliers today due to the extreme heat; I feel that this string is just starting to lose some of it's mojo.

Strung it at 50 lbs. Tuesday and played 3 sets of dubs at that time. 24 hours later it was at 45 lbs. Today after another 3 sets of dubs it's only dropped to 44 lbs.

Serve results - placement and spin with this string was, again, well above average. I'm very confident in the combo of spin and power I'm getting with it.

Serve returns - again the control was there but I felt like the strings were becoming a bit boardy. I wasn't quite getting the feel that I did when it was freshly strung on Tuesday. It's hard to put a finger on it exactly but it is different to some degree.

Groundies -- Access to spin of both sides is still good.

Volleys -- are still crisp and controlled; but I don't think these strings provide an extraordinary feel on touch shots but they do offer control.

I can see that notching is already starting to set in. So let's see how much longer we can go.

Update 8-24-23 - ECO Power - hit with ball machine - used ECO Power and two other racquets were compared with other stings at around 35 lbs (what I have been playing with lately); ECO power string measures 43 lbs today; just hit forehands with all three frames to compare. I really preferred the other two lower tension string beds; they seemed more predictable and seemed to have better ball pocketing and power. My swing style is semi-western forehand and I try to hit as much topspin as I can. ECO Power was still ok but I did not feel as connected with the ball compared to the lower tensions. One of those stingbeds is a multi/poly hybrid nearing end of life; and the other was a poly / poly hybrid (from a recent TW stringtest; also nearing end of life). Also tested some kick and slice serves; I would put ECO Power above the other two with serve placement but just slightly above the poly/poly hybrid. Again I'm just not getting the feel with this string that I prefer; I'm not sure why and it may be better when the tension lowers but it does appear to hold it's tension better that I thought it would.
 
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I have 6-7 hours court time with Luxilon ECO Rough. 45/47 in a Pure Strike 98
They do have a decent amount of power, spin is good - not great -, control is respectable. So far I have to say I am still liking the response. After the first hour or so, they loosened up a tiny bit and play even better.
They seem to do a good job all-around - which suits me well. Nothing stands out and that is okay with me, because what I am looking for is consistency. So far they do everything well or well enough so I can concentrate on playing. No deal breakers for me with this one, so I am happy to be testing it.

No surprises - just a good solid string with good feel, touch, power spin and control. So far durability is not an issue either. What I like best is the consistency - no matter how powerful the shot, especially when playing defense or returning. ECO Rough seems to be able to take it and let me redirect that power to stay in the point. ER seems to play better when tested by your opponents pace - great for when I face big hitters and need go "counter puncher" mode! It is not a dull lifeless poly either, enough pop and a direct crisp feel without being harsh on my arm.

This is a string I wouldn't hesitate to play with anytime. No big WOW factor here - just solid performance in each area. This string gives you confidence to play how you want which is what I look for in my favorite strings.
I also have about 6 hours of court time with ECO Rough at 52 lbs. My thoughts match StringStrunStrang. I would add that for a shaped or rough string the control is very consistent and predictable. The tension loss has been very minimal compared to other polys. I might add to the name ECO Rough Control as this seems to be appropriate.
 
I also have about 6 hours of court time with ECO Rough at 52 lbs. My thoughts match StringStrunStrang. I would add that for a shaped or rough string the control is very consistent and predictable. The tension loss has been very minimal compared to other polys. I might add to the name ECO Rough Control as this seems to be appropriate.
It was also noticeably a little Kinky and stiff during stringing.
 
I'm not one of the playtesters, but I bought one of the promo packs of the ECO Rough and have ALU Power Rough on hand. Just took a few pics side by side, but need to figure out where to upload to post.

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So here's a link to Google. I'll probably take it down/delete the photos in a few weeks so that they aren't eating up space.
use postimages.org
 
Done. Thank you.

I tried to get good pics of the string....the reflection on the package made that somewhat difficult. It was hard to capture the texture of each string with the phone.

As you can see, the ECO is a lighter color. Almost as if more silver and the ALU is more grey.
@Cowboy how do they feel. I thought the ECO Rough was very flexible without much coil memory, how is this compared to the Alu Rough ? So far the ECO Rough has play well, firm but not harsh, decent spin, and decent power. I'd be interested to hear how they compare along those lines too!!
 
I'm not one of the playtesters, but I bought one of the promo packs of the ECO Rough and have ALU Power Rough on hand. Just took a few pics side by side, but need to figure out where to upload to post.
Thanks @Cowboy

Looks similar, even if not exactly same. Possibly ECO Rough could be "poor man's" ALU Power Rough. I personally know at least a few of my friends who like ALU Power Rough, but don't use it because of the premium cost.
 
@Cowboy how do they feel. I thought the ECO Rough was very flexible without much coil memory, how is this compared to the Alu Rough ? So far the ECO Rough has play well, firm but not harsh, decent spin, and decent power. I'd be interested to hear how they compare along those lines too!!

I opened the ECO Rough package that I have today. Uncoiling it was very easy. I have a heavy piece of furniture that I use to make uncoiling string and cutting to length easier. I basically start at the table and feed the string around one of the legs. I then walk backwards and let the string uncoil from my other hand. When I get to the end, I hold the two ends together and work my way back to the table. I then cut it so that I have two 20' pieces of string (assuming that each pack is a true 40').

The ECO Rough uncoiled easily and didn't kink (or even try to kink). The coil memory is there, as the two separate pieces readily went back into their original shape. That said, it seems less stiff than the other Luxilon strings that I've strung.

It's been about a month since I strung Element Rough in a racquet, and about a month and a half since stringing 4G Rough. I don't have an open pack that I can compare side-by-side, but I would say that the ECO Rough is easier to maneuver than those two.
 
Initial thoughts of Eco Power and Eco Rough: Neither is that durable for me. Running right around an hour on both before breakage and on my second pack of each. For reference I get 2-2.5 hours out of ALU 125 before it snaps.

ECO Power is quite nice. Feels pretty forgiving without being noodly soft. It's not so cushioned that I don't get feedback or worry about losing control. Not as crisp and connected as ALU but not as soft and springy as Element (which still has great feedback with its cushiness). Probably closest to 4G soft if we compare to other Lux strings. It's not magical like ALU is for me, but it's definitely worth its mettle for $10 on sale or whatever the price is. Even for $15 if you don't break strings it's good performance.

ECO Rough is also nice. It feels firmer and more direct to me but a bit deader. Good spin and control access, but I wouldn't say it gives you extra. If you know how to swing a racquet well, it will do what you tell it to do. No surprises. Initial impression is that it's like if Head Lynx Tour was made by Luxilon. Firm and controlled like Lynx Tour but with a tinge of that Lux feel. Sadly did not prove durable either and snapped after about an hour.

Both strings seem to hold tension very well which may contribute to the short durability. ALU drops a bunch of tension off the stringer and first hit. This stuff does not.
 
In what kind of racquet setup did you test them? SW, string pattern etc?
Are you asking this to me? Side by side in the shift pro for the first go around and now side by side in some old pure control teams. No idea on the swingweights. Haven’t measured these, and it doesn’t really matter…string patterns are pretty dense in the center on both frames. Popped another eco rough today. Got a little over an hour again.
 
I'm not part of the playtest either but picked up a set of Eco Rough 17 for the $4 promo. Strung it up at 50# in my TFight ISO 300 and had a chance to hit about 3 hours with it so far. My regular string setup is MSV Focus Hex Soft at 50#, a grippy, moderately soft string.

As expected, the ECO ROUGH was quite a bit softer, more powerful and provided less spin. I love that it's a recycled (and recyclable material) as I have a gripe with the Tennis Industry as a whole being way behind the times in thinking about circular economies in their products, especially when it comes to disposables, like balls, strings and overgrips. The string also makes a fantastic sound when you really unload on the ball!

The softer character really comes into play when you're hitting volleys and shots where you flatten out a bit more. Being a "rough" string, I was expecting easier spin generation, but it was adequate at best. I think spending a bit more time and adjusting to a it a bit more, will help. But feedback from opponents was that while my shots were faster, they didn't come in as heavy as with my regular setup, and my kick serves didn't quite have the same action as with the MSV.

I think I'll spend a bit more time with it and would also be interested in trying an 18 gauge version, if that will be released, for a bit more bite on the ball.

But overall it's a very comfortable string, tension maintenance so far has been in an expected range, and I certainly applaud efforts to move to a more sustainable future!
 
Strung up my Blade Pro with Eco Power at 50lbs. Can’t wait to try it.

Not sure if it was asked already, but can we throw the strings into the recycling bin after it gets cut out?
 
Strung up my Blade Pro with Eco Power at 50lbs. Can’t wait to try it.

Not sure if it was asked already, but can we throw the strings into the recycling bin after it gets cut out?
Not unless you can find a place that tells you they do. A recycling center will just throw these away as there is no recycling number or symbol on them telling what to do with it
 
I think I hit it enough to give a review:

Tension(s) used for playtest
• ECO POWER
• ECO Rough 48 lb

Regular string setup & tension
I have been playing mostly a Prince Tour 100p with NG 15l/Black Knight 16 at 54/50 and a Textreme tour 100 16x18 Alu power 17 at 53/51

Racquet(s) used for test
I used my Volkl SG 10 for the test. I think as a low powered control racquet it's perfect for the Rough at 48 lb.

Power/Control
• ECO POWER
• ECO Rough
I’d have to call the rough power. adequate. It’s not a powerful string but combined with the high level of control I could place shots where the were not returned. Not the best for 1st strike winners but very good at working the point till you force an error

Feel (Stiff? Mushy? Muted? Crisp? Comfortable? Connected?)
• ECO POWER
• ECO Rough
I think it has an excellent feel for a poly.. Somewhat muted but very easy on the arm. I felt a large sweet spot, good pocketing and very connected to the ball
Spin
• ECO POWER
• ECO Rough
Adequate spin but not outstanding. Not what I’d pick for 10 ft. behind the baseline bouncers but that’s not my game. The Rough is good on slice serves, sharp angles off the court. It won’t magnify spin but it won’t inhibit you if you can hit spin.

Playability Duration
• ECO POWER
• ECO Rough
I thought it started to lose something at 6-8 hrs but I’m still comfortable with it at 10-12 where I’m at now.

Tension Recommendations (Would you string it differently next time. Explain answer)
• ECO POWER
• ECO Rough
48 seems right to me. Rough is not high powered so I’d stay at the lower end of your tension range. The control aspect keeps things from getting to wild at lower tension.

List any additional thoughts (optional)
I’ll report on when I cut it. I was going to put the Power in this racquet to do a head to head comp. But the Rough seems to be lasting a while. My ALU is getting tired in the Tour so I’ll probably cut it and test the Power/ALU head to head.
I did like the Rough enough to buy a couple more sets and I strung it up in my wife's Ripstick so we'll see how that goes.
 
Regular string setup & tension: (sorry Racket-holic so this changes every few months) Auxetic Head Radical MP 2023 + Yonex Poly Tour Pro 52 pounds
Racquet(s) used for test/playstyle: Auxetic Head Radical MP 2023 Baseliner (ball-bashing, most points are winners or unforced errors)

Tension(s) used for playtest
ECO POWER: 48 pounds
ECO ROUGH: 48 pounds

Power/Control
ECO POWER: This felt like a modern string. To be made out of recycled materials, it played amazing. I loved the how this played. I do believe that for a shaped 6 sided string, it played much more like a rounded string. Even when stringing it, you can feel that the edges aren't as aggressive. Power-wise it is very close to something like Head Hawk Touch or Yonex PTP. Basically, what you put into these strings is what you get. While the string was playing well, I felt so confident on my groundstokes. I tend to have an issue hitting it a tad out, but it was more often than not that the first few hours with this string, it would consistently dip right back in at the base line. Pretty forgiving.
ECO ROUGH: Definitely a rougher time with this one. I am not sure if everyone else will agree with me here. To my knowledge, it is an agreed upon consensus that roughened up strings equate to a softer string. Adding to that, that should easily equate more to more power, but to me, it was significantly less. I wouldn't say it was even close. I normally play with a soft poly, but I felt like I definitely had to do much more to get depth with these strings. I will touch more on control in the spin section, but in terms of power/control, I would say the ECO Power was better in all ways in terms of heavier balls (spin), depth, and even depth of volleys. (again, will touch on this in the spin section more)

Feel (Stiff? Mushy? Muted? Crisp? Comfortable? Connected?)
ECO POWER: Again, felt pretty similar to Hawk Touch or like a softer Alu Power. More dead than what I am used to, but stiffer than ECO Rough, but in no means stiff at all. I had my second racket strung with Alu Power at the time, and it was still very evident that it was softer than that. I had no discomfort.
ECO ROUGH: Might be the only category I'll give it to ECO Rough lol. I have a terrible wrist with numerous injuries coming out of nowhere this past year, and this was definitely and very obviously the more comfortable string. In terms of feel, it was definitely not stiff and felt similar to the Yonex Poly Tour Pro minus the plastic-like feeling.
Connectedness is subjective, I'm just more used to strings that feel like ECO Rough, so I won't comment on that!

Spin
ECO POWER: I 100% got more spin with ECO Power. Wasn't even close. In terms of me giving the edge to ECO Power in the Power/Control category, I got depth and spin. If I ripped a groundstroke at the baseline and everything felt right, it would produce a ball that I EXPECTED. I was genuinely surprised by this string, and my kick serves were kicking high. I would not say this has more spin than like Tour Bite, but I do think it is very capable of producing spin if you have the technique for it. I didn't feel like I was losing spin using this string.
ECO ROUGH: Echoing on some of those ideas. Normally, when reviewing Power/Control, if balls are landing shorter, I would strongly want to correlate that to more spin, but that wasn't the case (so it is a win/win scenario where if a string was launching the ball too much and too powerful, a string that has less depth/create more spin would win the edge on control and vice versa). I felt like the roughness of the string literally just contributed to a softer string, and I was getting less spin than ECO Power. Adding on to that, I could be wrong, I threw away the packaging, but I believe this is considered an oval string? I just felt like it was a tad inconsistent and sometimes when I felt like I hit a great forehand, it would be slightly off what I was expecting in terms of depth or placement. And especially lately, my kick serves has been my main serve, and these just wouldn't be as heavy.

Playability Duration
ECO POWER and ECO ROUGH: I'll group these together. Seems to fall under the same exact category and lines up with a few users here. Very low playability. ECO Rough notched quickly, and seemed unplayable after 5 hours for me and broke at 6.5-ish (2 of those hours being doubles practice where I wasn't really hitting heavy ground strokes). ECO Power felt AMAZING first 3-4 hours, then very noticeable drop off. Didn't end up breaking these strings, but eventually had to cut it out as well.

Tension Recommendations (Would you string it differently next time. Explain)
ECO POWER: I think playability-wise, I loved it. I'd likely string it up at the same tension, maybe 2 pounds stiffer if my arm/wrist could handle it just for a touch more control.
ECO ROUGH: Again, for a softer poly, I was surprised the tension didn't work out for me. If I were to play with this again... maybe a more open string patterned racket or lower the tension a bit.

List any additional thoughts (optional)
If ECO Power's playability went up: I genuinely might make the switch or at least get a reel. I feel like for recyclable materials and being eco-friendly, I didn't lose any playability and played pretty well with it.

As for ECO Rough, the one biggest thing for me to pick are return of serves... I didn't want to place this in the power category, but I played 2 official league matches with it, and my block/chip returns on faster serves were struggling. I am placing it here because it could definitely be user-error, but I swapped rackets with one in my bag, and (could be placebo) felt an immediate difference. Felt SOOOOOO underpowered, like so many returns just went straight into the net cord or slightly below, and this has never been an issue for me. Again, could be user-error, but I HATED my returns with these strings and I'm relatively surprised due to softer strings (in theory) should produce a higher launch angle. Maybe the oval, maybe the rough, maybe something... but I don't know if I could save the Earth and switch to these :( (jk, I'll always be eco-friendly)

BONUS
List any questions you have for Wilson's string developer about these two strings (optional)
1. Can/will you persuade Andrey to use it? Unless he's fully switched to a Head string, wasn't he using Luxilon Adrenaline for the longest time? Being the most ECO-friendly one on the tour, seems very on brand with him!
2. With brands like Head bailing on rough strings, do you believe rough strings still have a place in the market? Obviously, it's not for me, but is it more of a comfort/feel thing as spec-wise, it seems to create less spin than shaped strings? Is there still room in terms of innovation with rough strings?
3. Not a question, but a comment! Thank you for starting this eco-friendly trend!
 
Regular string setup & tension - Currently I am floating between Hyper g and Confidential 17g on my Yonex Vcore Pro 97d at 50
Racquet(s) used for test - Yonex Vcore 95 (Current version)

Tension(s) used for playtest
ECO POWER - 54
ECO ROUGH - 52

Power/Control
ECO POWER: I do think that power wise, it was pretty as expected for me. I think that with my current set up compared to my usual Vcore pro 97d, I did get a bit more pop with the open pattern from the current vcore 95. For my playtest, I found myself having to adjust and swing out more and put a little more behind the ball despite the lower tension. Usually Im able dictate by cranking the ball, but for me with this string I felt like I needed more effort. But on the plus side, I did find that though I was lacking power, the control was there behind the ball. It was pretty much predictable.

ECO ROUGH: Going into this playtest, I had a very high expectation for the roughs. Initially when playing with it I felt as if I needed it to dial in and let it sit for a day after stringing. While I did get control from this string, I wasnt getting the same pop as the ECO Power. I was hoping that with a drop in tension it would be more helpful after trying the ECO power, but despite it having decent control, I found myself working way more harder for pop on the ball. Where I felt this was definitely on my serves and returns. I could pretty much place my shot, but nothing dazzling after that.

Feel (Stiff? Mushy? Muted? Crisp? Comfortable? Connected?)
ECO POWER & ECO ROUGH: No stiffness issue for me here, both strings felt very comfortable and well connected to the ball. I would say its slightly muted but nothing that would be alarming. Coming from hyper g and confidential these are a lot easier on the arm.

Spin
When comparing both strings, I honestly felt like I got more out of the Power compared to the rough. Not as much spin as my current string choices, but a good amount. There was a less adjustment period with the Power compared to the roughs. I wouldnt say that its a spin monster, but for what its worth youre getting decent spin with the Power.

Playability Duration
Going into the playability, I I already saw notches after the first day of hitting and see that for both strings the durability on both were going to be low. I do think that after leaving them in the racket for a couple days that I would either break them on my next outing, or will just have to cut them due to dropping off so badly. I think most people can agree that within the first few hours it will feel like a pretty good but it will need to be replaced often.

Tension Recommendations (Would you string it differently next time. Explain)
For both string tensions, I would probably drop them in the future. I went into this playtest thinking the tensions were fine since I was trying a 16x20 from a 18x20 but i think that dropping tensions would benefit these strings.

List any additional thoughts (optional)
For my additional thoughts, I think that there could be a good benefit from these strings if someone were to maybe try a hybrid set up. I do think that though the 17g does help and the comfort is there, but I cant see myself constantly stringing all the time due to the low playability and duration.

I do think that they are headed in the right direction but still needs to work out the kinks. While I applaud to tackle on being made from recycle, I dont know how much better this can get.
 
I noticed the TW play testers Michelle and Chris dropped a YouTube video of the ECO Power string today. It was a very positive review; seemed like Michelle really liked the string a whole lot. It is definitely worth watching.
 
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Playability of the ECO ROUGH tanked for me after 4 hours. Granted, it was a hot day but lost all control. Not the spinniest or most durable, but fun while it lasted.
 
@SlowTiger @Dunlop300g @nyc @ngoster @dandruffkb @mhkeuns @vndesu here is the link to TW's review with Chris and Michelle !!

Seems Luxilon has found a good formulation - will be stringing mine up today or tomorrow. Curisous to see how my experience compares with all of you ... and the TW Staff!
If all things go well, I probably won't have Power strung until mid September.

My first outing with Rough was rough because I haven't been hitting well for the last month. Nothing I've hit with has felt good. I'm discounting this data point haha.

My second outing felt much better as I was starting to figure things out. I'm hoping for continued improvements during this playtest.
 
Strung up the ECO Rough today at 48 lbs.

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It did seem fairly stiff while stringing, but felt about the same as any other rough poly that I've strung. Here's a comparison of coil memory between the ECO ROUGH and Element Rough.

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The Element Rough has been out of the package for about a month longer than the ECO Rough, but you can see that it (Element Rough) is a little stiffer.
 
Coming back to Eco Rough, even though it bottomed out after 4 hours. It’s addictively plush, great ball pocketing and decent spin but very little control at this point. I really, really want to love it. If it lasted longer, I’d be very tempted to switch. But at that price it should last longer.

Looking forward to try Eco Power.
 
Coming back to Eco Rough, even though it bottomed out after 4 hours. It’s addictively plush, great ball pocketing and decent spin but very little control at this point. I really, really want to love it. If it lasted longer, I’d be very tempted to switch. But at that price it should last longer.

Looking forward to try Eco Power.
I have the very exact consensus with alu eco rough. The 6-8 hour actually started hurting my arm. Wrist, elbow, shoulder... was terrible. The first 4 hours were quite enjoyable though.
 
Big John’s Luxilon Eco Power Review

Tension(s) used for playtest:

55/50# strung on a Gamma electronic 6900 (20% prestretch)
strung up like a typical poly, bending becoming more pronounced as I get to the bottom of the crosses. No slippage problem. A little hard on the fingers due to the shape, but not as bad as Solinco Barb Wire, haha...


Regular string set up:

Main: 16 ga. Kip gut @62 lbs./Cross: Isospeed Cream 17 @ 55 lbs.


Racquet used for test:

2018 (all red) Yonex vcore 100, lead added at 3 and 9


Control/Power of test string: Rating -

8/10 for control
7/10 for power

Very good control, but significantly more power than the Technifibre Razor I last reviewed. As powerful as gut/poly? No. But more powerful than any really soft poly that I have tried.


Feel (Comfortable? Stiff? Mush? Crisp? Uncomfortable?):

This is a VERY crisp feeling string. I could both feel and hear the string “biting “ into the ball at contact.

I was able to get much better than average spin on the ball while still getting good power. Some other strings would put more power into the ball, and that is the reason for the one notch difference in ratings above.

Serving was excellent. My balls had plenty of power and loads of spin. My first serve improved when I realized I could hit flatter and still keep the ball in due to the added spin.

If there was a problem, it was with my second serve. I had trouble adjusting for the characteristics of this string. Perhaps it was the loose nut attached to the grip. It seemed I had to gamble too much with my second serve. If I hit my normal slower pace second serve, the ball would land a little shorter than normal and sit up a little. If I cranked up the pace some to allow for this, I hit more than the normal number of 2nd serves long.


Volleys were pretty sweet. The strings biting into the ball allowed me more control than a round poly or a lesser shaped poly would have. Now, was there a little harshness on the arm if someone nailed one right at me and I hit it off center/late? Yes. So that is something to be aware of. Not terribly bad like a Hyper G string at 59 lbs., but a little more than most





Spin: Rating – 8 of 10

I hit pretty flat and it reacted well to flat strokes. When I applied a topspin swingpath or a slice swingpath on a groundstroke, it gave me noticeably more spin than a normal poly, even more than Hyper-G. See also my notes above as to serves.


Playability Duration (did the playability change over time? How? Feel free to comment on durability & frictional wear as well):

Rating - 5 of 10

This string held up OK for playability. I do not hit with a ton of spin, so I got plenty of hours (about 10-12) out of it. But when it dies, it dies hard and fast, which is typical for luxilon strings.

Tension findings (what tension would you use if you strung it again? Why?):

I would keep the same tension (55/50) as I had no arm or power problems to speak of. I work out with my brother on doubles drills. He likes to come in a lot, and the tension allowed me the control necessary to place the ball and the spin dropped the passing shot into the alley to his repeated dismay. (Both forehand and backhand passes). He doesn’t frequent these boards, so he will not disagree with me on this.


List any additional thoughts (optional):

This is a really good string - IF - you don’t mind restringing more often than you are probably used to. IF you are one of those guys who religiously cuts out their poly and restrings after 10 hours, you will love this string. If you are one of those guys who plays their poly till it breaks, you will not like this string at all.


A big thank you to TW for allowing me to test this string!
 
Strung up ECO Rough last night at 45 lbs. Played 3 sets of doubles today and string tension now is at 40 lbs. Play testing this ECO Rough and ECO Power in Dunlop 300g's which is an older 16x19 control oriented frame.

Previous String was Head Sonic Mains and Head Velocity MLT in crosses @ 50 lbs.

Control 8.5/10 except on serves 7/10

Power 7/10

ECO Rough plays exactly the opposite as ECO power did for me. I liked ECO Rough on everything except for serving. I like ECO Power on serves mainly and much less on any other stroke.

ECO Rough does nicely in shaping the ball with topspin on forehands and backhands. Touch shots and volleys / half volleys I felt very connected to the ball with ECO Rough which I did not feel from ECO Power. I felt like slices were also super good with ECO Rough. There is a good combination of power and control when hitting out with topspin with this ECO Rough string.

The only issue I had with ECO Rough was on serves where I'm mainly hitting kick serves and slice serves here in doubles. For whatever reason, I honestly don't know why; maybe the string tension was a bit too low; not sure; but I couldn't seem to get the control I expected on my kick or slice serves especially compared to ECO Power which I found exceptionally good on serves. Things started to change a bit in the third set so maybe it was just a break in or getting used to it issue. Jury is still out.

I feel a lot more connected to this string than ECO power and I find the feel of this string much more to my liking (plush) not board or stiff. I'm pretty sure I'd recommend this string at this point. I'm going to keep playing with it to how it ages. I'd really like to try it out in set of singles sometime soon.

Thanks TW for the opportunity to try out this string ECO Rough and compare it to ECO Power.. Finally, on stringing; I found it slightly more difficult to string ECO Rough compared to ECO Power but not a big deal.
 
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