Tennis Warehouse Playtest: Prince Phantom 2024

dgoran

Hall of Fame
Hyped to have you on this playtest dgoran. Over the years, we’ve had very similar taste. I am asking myself why I haven’t tried this model years ago…it ticks off a lot of boxes for me.

What are you maining these days @dgoran
Hey man thank you for the kind words. I am not playing competitive these days so I just go out and hit with guys and play occasional set or a Doubles Match which feeds my holicizm perfectly as I can switch racquets and test them at will since there will be no real impact on my results lol.
I have been playing: Latest Prestige Pro 18x20 and 16x19. Prestige Classic 2.0 New Blade 18x20 and Pure Aero Origin if I want to strip the cover off the ball lol.
 

dgoran

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Received my Prince Phantom 100X 18x20 few days ago but had to run out of town for work so I did not get a chance to hit it but I did bring the stick with me like a true holic since I knew there will be some clay courts at my hotel.
BTW thank you SOOOOO much to TW for stringing this one as I would not have time otherwise to string it before my flight.
I think the string is Prince Tour XC...
I managed to hit some serves over the last few days and so far it serves amazing. Very plush classic soft feel and flex. I always get a feeling that my serves are slower on the clay courts but I did not get that feeling with this 100x yet. I probably have to serve for a set or two to get a true feeling but so far so good.

Here are some photos for those that asked:


 
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Gee

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Received my Prince Phantom 100X 18x20 few days ago but had to run out of town for work so I did not get a chance to hit it but I did bring the stick with me like a true holic since I knew there will be some clay courts at my hotel.
BTW thank you SOOOOO much to TW for stringing this one as I would not have time otherwise to string it before my flight.
I think the string is Prince Tour XC...
I managed to hit some serves over the last few days and so far it serves amazing. Very plush classic soft feel and flex. I always get a feeling that my serves are slower on the clay courts but I did not get that feeling with this 100x yet. I probably have to serve for a set or two to get a true feeling but so far so good.

Here are some photos for those that asked:



Though I am still not fond of these colours the more see this camo paintjob the more get used to it.
 

Gee

Hall of Fame
Hey man thank you for the kind words. I am not playing competitive these days so I just go out and hit with guys and play occasional set or a Doubles Match which feeds my holicizm perfectly as I can switch racquets and test them at will since there will be no real impact on my results lol.
I have been playing: Latest Prestige Pro 18x20 and 16x19. Prestige Classic 2.0 New Blade 18x20 and Pure Aero Origin if I want to strip the cover off the ball lol.
We seem to love similar frames as I also have been playing with the Head Prestige Pro Auxetic (v1) last few months.
So I'm very curious how you like the Phantom 100x 18x20 compared to the Prestige. Last year I mainly played with the previous PP100x 18x20.
 

mixtape

Professional
Did everyone's racquets come strung?

Also, thread is lacking pictures, btw
Nope. I strung mine up last night. Hopefully after work, I can test it out on the courts.

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Injured Again

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I got out on a ball machine this morning, and hit for about 20 minutes afterwards when another player's partner didn't show up on time.

I captured a video during the ball machine session where I hit with the Phantom 107G, my old POG OS, and my wife's old Precision Graphite. It's a mixed bag against a ball machine - I get to hit a ton of balls but these ball machine balls are pretty terrible with some that are just totally flat and others that have no fuzz, so it's different than hitting against a live person with new and consistently bouncing balls. Anyway, here's the video:


The Phantom 107G is fairly low powered. It's not the lowest powered racquet I've hit with but it is definitely below average in terms of generating ball speed. It also is pretty muted and does a good job of dampening the impact, and that kind of adds to the sensation that it is low powered. On top of that, I'm currently using Solinco Confidential 1.20, a low powered and muted string. Add in that Prince worm string dampener and there's practically zero vibration when hitting the sweet spot, even though it still has a good pocketing feel. There's a sensation the ball stays on the strings enough to be able to generate pinpoint control. It's an old school, almost wood-racquet feel where the flex on contact is obvious.

The wide string spacing creates a pretty high launch angle. Even though I was hitting the ball pretty flat, I still got easy net clearance and decent spin, but also some balls that just kind of flew on me. The balls unexpectedly flying was much less prevalent with new tennis balls but was there still to some extent. I said in the video that it felt like I needed a thicker string than a 1.20 and the more I hit with the racquet, the more I thought that was the case. It also feels like a more lively, crisp string would work well in the 107G. I recently participated in the TW Gamma Sapphire test and found that to be a powerful and lively string, and that seems like a much better combination with the Phantom 107G than Confidential.

In its stock form, it's a lot lighter racquet than I'm used to. I could time the ball fairly well swinging flatter but any type of upward cut to generate heavier topspin made for timing issues. It also feels like there just isn't enough mass in the hoop, so when I traded ball speed for more spin, I got more of a ball speed reduction than I expected. I never really got a good feel for how to hit a penetrating backhand slice. My first few attempts just flew on me, and when I did get the ball lower, it seemed to lack pace.

I hit a few serves with it and found that the sweet spot doesn't extend that high up on the hoop. I normally use a 27.6" racquet that is much stiffer and my general tendency is to hit serves just above the midpoint of the hoop. The 107G has a pretty large sweetspot but it is centered just below the midpoint of the hoop, and it gets slightly dead higher up on the hoop.

That big and low sweetspot, low powered racquet and strings, and old school feel made the 107G feel immediately comfortable when volleying. Once I adjusted to making contact lower on the stringbed, I felt like I had pinpoint directional and speed control, with the only issue being enough putaway power without taking a larger swing at the ball. There were times when the 107G actually made me look like I knew what I was doing up at net. This would be a fantastic racquet for a doubles specialist who values placement over power.

As for the other Prince racquets, the POG OS feels old and tired when hit back to back with the Phantom. It is more flexible than the 107G, and also 60 grams heavier. So it is both more powerful and more flexy, and balls feel like they spray unless I make clean contact with good timing. I'm also not used to the feel of how the racquet flips lengthwise with such a headlight balance. There are times when it feels like the pivot point is just inches above my hand and that's a weird sensation.

The Precision Graphite feels more similar on impact to the 107G than the POG OS. It's an ounce heavier than the Phantom and has 40 year old synthetic gut strings but the pocketing sensation and dwell time are more in line with the 107G. It was also my wife's racquet so never has had the same kind of use as my POG OS so it feels stiffer and more precise. The 40 year old strings still feel elastic but I'm not used to the launch angle of a synthetic gut. Lastly, that 40 year old leather grip is hard as rock and it hurts so badly when I mis-hit.

I'll get some more hits with the 107G in its stock form before I add weight to get it up to 350 grams and 350 swingweight. At that time, I may also try a different string as the Confidential is already notched up from how much string movement the open pattern allows.
 

ey039524

Hall of Fame
I think you weighed the Resitex Pro that is a PU grip.

The Resitex Tour is definitely heavier.
When I tried to replace it with Prince Leather grip (24 grams trimmed) I discovered that my Phantom 100x 18x20 weighed the same as with the original ResiTex Tour grip.
I just took off my overgrip to double check: It's Resitex Tour. Same grip as all the others in the pictures people have uploaded. Not sure why my grip would be lighter than other Resitex Tour grips. This isn't Wilson QC, haha.

I'm probably going to hit w/ it stock today and then change the grip to full leather and reweigh it. I'm expecting the weight to increase by about 9-10 g. Then I'll add some putty to round it up to 350 g and get back out on the courts on the weekend.
 
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Soundbyte

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Update to my 100P review. Mods: 4g of lead at 10 & 2, 6g tungsten putty in the buttcap -> Got 2 additional hours of doubles and some singles drilling today with it.

As expected, this was great. I really do think bumping that swing weight up really helps with the 100P. Much easier to play with in terms of depth and power generation ability. I don't think the lead affected the "whipability"(TM by Troy) of the frame. Touch is still good. With the extra polarization, you really can appreciate the flex at the throat. Still shapes the ball beautifully. Extra weight certainly helped on the serve.

Won every doubles set today with it...so thats a positive sign.
Still needs more time, but i think this is a great offering for those who grew up with or prefer older, softer frames. I dont think anyone who grew up with a Pure Aero or Pure Drive are going to like this frame (and probably the entire Phantom lineup).
Have two more hours of singles against a strong 4.5 on Sunday...so will see how it fairs then.
EDIT: Update after the additional 2 hours of singles. This is a very good frame. Fun to play with, perhaps underwhelming on the serve. This may be tweakable with more lead. But I'm happy with the 10g total addition. I still have to give the PC2.0 and PB10/C10 Pro the win here. It's toe-to-toe with the CX200. I'll hit with them side by side next time to see how the compare directly.
 
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ey039524

Hall of Fame
I added a full leather grip to my 100p and enough putty in the cap to equal 350 g. It's now 31.5 cm or about 4.5 pts (if my math is right) head light. W/o modification, it was about even balanced after stringing (the racquet says 31.5 cm unstrung balance). I'll hit w/ it tomorrow morning again and see how it feels compared to stock.

My elbow felt a little sore after playing two consecutive days, but is fine today. I massaged it a little after playing yesterday. Prior to this playtest, I've been hitting the much heavier Powerflex Pro w/ leather grip, so I think the missing ~20 g and slightly stiffer (I know this sounds funny when talking about the phantom line) frame are to blame. I'll see how the extra weight feels this weekend, when I hit both days. I'm anticipating the extra plow through and head light balance are going to feel good.

W/o mods, this frame feels a little too light, too head heavy for my liking. I'm also struggling w/ the larger headsize, having played w/ 93 sq in for a few months now, and 97 sq in before that. Balls that usually drop in deep are sailing just a little long.
 

Injured Again

Hall of Fame
Warmed up and hit against one of my regular partners this morning, with the racquet still in stock configuration. I had to swing with more commitment to get my normal ball speed, and the result seemed to be a little more topspin. I also mis-hit a bit more from having to swing faster than I prefer, especially when I wasn’t fully in balance, and at those times I found it best to swing more horizontally. It was kind of like playing into a headwind, where I would tend to hit flatter to get the ball to penetrate through the air. Attempting to hit heavier spin on a high velocity shot doesn’t work well for the 107G at stock weight. It feels like it flexes away from a tangential contact so the ball loses more speed when generating heavy topspin than my normal racquet. Hitting flatter really enhances the pocketing feel and there‘s a solidity to the contact that makes it feel like I put a lot of oomph into the shot. That’s a very rewarding, old school feeling.

My main area of difficulty is defending, and especially on my backhand side with a slice. Just like in the video in my previous post, using my normal swing on a underspin backhand the ball would float high and sail. If I swung a bit more through the ball, the higher launch angle would drag the ball into the net. It was hard for me to find that middle ground when under pressure so I kind of resorted to a flatter bunt shot just to get as many balls back into the court as possible, but that was easy pickings for my opponent.

I really enjoyed volleying with the Phantom so I tried to get to the net more. It worked well on a forehand approach but I couldn’t hit my backhand underspin approach reliably. Despite that, any time I had a volley within reach, I could angle it off beyond the reach of my opponent. The large sweet spot helps and the buttery feel gave me confidence to hit touch volleys that are my weakness.

I had to make a couple of adjustments when serving. The Phantom isn’t great when making contact above the midline of the hoop, and its standard length is 0.6 inches shorter than my normal frame. I had to deliberate lower my contact point a couple of inches to get solid contact. The open pattern generates spin easily, but the lower powered nature also reduced ball speed. Overall, my serves were a bit slower but moved more through the air.

I’m going to modify the 107G to my typical specs of 350 grams and 350 swing weight for my next outing.
 
Specs update now that I’ve gotten the 100X 290 strung: 306 g / 321 swingweight / 33.3 cm balance, strung with HyperG 17 mains and HyperG Round 17 crosses, no overgrip.
 
Things look better when they're free.
I’m not a camo person but live in a place where you see a fair amount of camo, and I actually think the paint looks really good. It’s pretty subtle/tasteful in person. Both green shades have a brownish tint, so they look like colors you’d actually see in nature. It’s a very different green from the new Blades, which are a pretty unnatural blue-green. The Phantom paint also doesn’t clash with HyperG nearly as much as I thought it would. Dare I say it’s one of the better looking current rackets I’ve seen in person. (What DOES clash with this paint, though, is yellow Supergrap.)

Unrelated - the beam shape feels great in hand. It’s a pretty round beam in the throat and feels very natural to hold.
 
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jimmy8

G.O.A.T.
I’m not a camo person but live in a place where you see a fair amount of camo, and I actually think the paint looks really good. It’s pretty subtle/tasteful in person. Both green shades have a brownish tint, so they look like colors you’d actually see in nature. It’s a very different green from the new Blades, which are a pretty unnatural blue-green. The Phantom paint also doesn’t clash with HyperG nearly as much as I thought it would. Dare I say it’s one of the better looking current rackets I’ve seen in person. (What DOES clash with this paint, though, is yellow Supergrap.)

Unrelated - the beam shape feels great in hand. It’s a pretty round beam in the throat and feels very natural to hold.
I haven't seen them in person, but they look cool in the pictures.
 

tennisfan17

Professional
My first ever playtest! So excited that I got to do this. I had the Prince Phantom 100x 305. For this playtest I used Babolat RPM Hurricane at 48lbs. My background is a former D2 tennis player and current College tennis coach. I don't play a ton these days but I'm a high 4.5/low 5.o I think. It is hard to say haha.
My playstyle a counter puncher! I love to stay back and play high and heavy topspin and wait for opportunities to attack. Currently I use the Yonex Ezone 98 with the same string setup as above. I played with this racquet for about 12 hours so far and I feel like I have gotten a pretty good understanding of the frame. Played doubles matches and did point play in singles with it.

So I will say that for the entirety of the playtest, I played with the racquet in stock form. I felt like this was the truest way for me to measure the racquet. So for groundstrokes. I really felt like this racquet wasn't stable enough when playing against players with heavier topspin or harder shots. I often felt disconnected with the frame when trying to neutralize pace and spin the ball deep. The spin production was decent, but I didn't feel like I could find my targets from back behind the baseline. I actually felt better with the frame when I just decided to flatten the ball out. Even with that however, I just couldn't feel dialed in on the baseline with the ball. The frame felt pretty flexible and comfortable thought. Really plush on big swings. These same issues on regular groundstrokes also applied to serve returns. Too often bigger serves would make me feel like the frame was being pushed back or wasn't stable enough to handle them. Despite this being a lighter frame, the maneuverability felt sorely lacking. I felt late getting it around often of shots and felt like I was framing the ball so frequently. I will say that slices and slice returns felt very nice with the stick. Great comfortability from it.
For serves, I again didn't really care for this frame. Slice and kick serves felt moderately fine as this frame can produce pretty good spin. For flat or topspin driving serves, I felt a lack of control and consistency with it. The flexibility and damp feeling of the frame made it hard for me to gauge the serve pace and I often found myself starting to over hit some serves or barley rolling them in. Potentially adding weight to the hoop could alleviate that, but as it is in stock form it just wasn't great for serving. I will say that I oddly loved this racquet for volleying. Despite the previous issues I had with it on serves and groundstrokes, I felt great volleying all types of shots with this frame. I could absorb pace well and direct the ball most of the time. The issue of heavy spin still moved the racquet back frequently but I felt most of the time that I was in great control of the volleys.

This racquet felt fairly low powered to me and didn't provide amazing control. I felt often that I had to heavily focus on targeting a spot on the court to feel like I could have success going there. The lack of stability and maneuverability on groundstrokes really didn't help this either. Outside of volleys, I felt the frame would get wobble against pace and was a struggle to get around to a ball with aggressive swings. The frame for sure can produce decent spin however, especially on slices. But the spin production felt out of touch with the lack of control and power. This racquet does have amazing feel though. Really plush and muted. Very comfortable on my arm and great for more feel based shots.

Overall, this racquet missed the mark for me. Between playing drop feed points, singles play, and two doubles matches, I just couldn't connect with it. While the volleying and spin production were great, everything else was lacking. Likely adding weight to it would make a lot of those issue mitigated, but in stock form it is a racquet not for me. It would likely be great for a player looking for a more arm friendly frame that plays with players that don't hit with higher pace. Grateful for the playtest opportunity and sad that I wasn't a fan of this frame.
 

codonnell

Semi-Pro
I’m taking out my 100x 305 for another hour or 2 today. Going to try to get everything in and do some serving. So far I feel like the frame has been extremely comfortable to hit with but not exactly forgiving outside the sweet spot for a 100 head which I find shocking. Definitely dialing it in and going to get singles play in next weekend.
 
New look. 18x20 restrung with Hyper G soft 1.2 @48/46#
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This is clearly the least consequential question about this racket, but it’s still stumping me - what overgrip color goes best with this paint? I can vouch that it’s not yellow. Maybe black, but that’s boring. Surely there’s an interesting overgrip color that goes well with it.
 

tele

Hall of Fame
This is clearly the least consequential question about this racket, but it’s still stumping me - what overgrip color goes best with this paint? I can vouch that it’s not yellow. Maybe black, but that’s boring. Surely there’s an interesting overgrip color that goes well with it.
orange or tan?
 

Fed Kennedy

Legend
This is clearly the least consequential question about this racket, but it’s still stumping me - what overgrip color goes best with this paint? I can vouch that it’s not yellow. Maybe black, but that’s boring. Surely there’s an interesting overgrip color that goes well with it.
Finally we can talk about something important. So, it’s a Prince, a classic tourna with red finishing tape really evokes the glory days. The white really has a nice contrast with the dark green and kind of gives off a british racing green kind of vibe. Of course, string color is important
 

loosegroove

Hall of Fame
Wasn’t hitting super clean today, but I’m starting to think the sweet spot of the new 100X 305 feels smaller than the previous version.
 

codonnell

Semi-Pro
Wasn’t hitting super clean today, but I’m starting to think the sweet spot of the new 100X 305 feels smaller than the previous version.
So far I’d completely agree with you as far as the sweet spot goes(haven’t hit previous edition). Upper hoop is relatively dead. The sweet spot feels great when you hit it, but to me almost plays like a smaller frame. So far I’ve noticed the 100 head size on serves which have been great and whippy on spin serves.
 
Finally we can talk about something important. So, it’s a Prince, a classic tourna with red finishing tape really evokes the glory days. The white really has a nice contrast with the dark green and kind of gives off a british racing green kind of vibe. Of course, string color is important
You’re right, tourna/red finishing tape would look great. For string color, someone should string theirs with M8. The greens would match really well.
 

jonestim

Hall of Fame
So far I’d completely agree with you as far as the sweet spot goes(haven’t hit previous edition). Upper hoop is relatively dead. The sweet spot feels great when you hit it, but to me almost plays like a smaller frame. So far I’ve noticed the 100 head size on serves which have been great and whippy on spin serves.
I still use the older version regularly. The upper hoop on that one was a little dead as well but once I added 2 grams of lead at 12 I really enjoyed it.
 

codonnell

Semi-Pro
I still use the older version regularly. The upper hoop on that one was a little dead as well but once I added 2 grams of lead at 12 I really enjoyed it.
That was honestly my thinking, even a little at 11 and 1. It’s good to know that the frame has similar characteristics and other people agree too. I’m trying to get as many hours in on the frame stock before tinkering with it later.
 

Fed Kennedy

Legend
Second session with hyper G soft 1.20 @48/46:

First impression: I like the feel and power level of poly tour strike better than hyper G.
However, I played a practice set and dropped a bagel on my partner. Hyper G isn’t the greatest feeling string, but in point play it holds onto the ball like a Golden Retriever on adderall.

Sadly, this Phantom kind of makes me want to put my GPrestige MPs on the trading block
 

Injured Again

Hall of Fame
I had two separate hits since last Friday. The first was against a player of smaller stature who gets the ball back but without a lot of pace. Not a moon-baller or pusher by any means, but has accuracy and timing to move the ball around. He's a good 4.0 player and we had numerous 10+ shot rallies since I was just trying to hit the ball back. I did this with the 107G in stock format.

Overall, this is a good racquet for this type of play. The lower impact force levels don't seem to overwhelm the racquet's weight or trigger too much flex. The comfortable feel and adequate sweetspot size would seem to suit a teaching pro, and the confidence inspiring volleying feel and accuracy would lend it towards someone who chips and charges in doubles. Though I hit more balls than I would during a typical 90 minute practice session, my arm felt fresh afterwards.

My second hit was today with a much harder hitter. I started by adding eight grams to the hoop between 9 and 11 o'clock and between 1 and 3 o'clock. I then opened the trap door to weigh down the handle and found a typical center-divided opening. However, one side of the opening was filled with black foam, and on the other side the center divider had a bump that intruded into the open space and narrowed it down. Not wanting (yet) to make some permanent change and also not wanting to unevenly weight one side of the handle, I decided to remove that sticky double-sided tape from the trapdoor, which gave me enough room to roll up several grams of lead tape and still reinstall the trap door. I then crudely wrapped more lead tape above where I grip the handle. All in all, I got the swingweight up to about 345 and the static weight to 340 grams.

In this configuration, power levels went up and the 107G was more forgiving but still not great at or slightly above the midline of the hoop. It did feel like I could hit the ball about an inch higher on the stringbed. It felt slightly more stable on mis-hits, but strangely, missing high on the hoop felt worse. It's almost like the added weight at the upper corners accentuates the flex lower in the frame in an uncoordinated way and the frame feels like it flutters. I only felt this when missing the sweetspot high on the stringbed, but since I'm not a clean hitter I do catch a fair amount of balls up there.

Volleys and underspin backhands improved. I could get more ball velocity by just meeting the ball out in front and that let me just hold the racquet out there and hit those short dump volleys that are impossible for an opponent to get to. The added weight seemed to minimize the difference in angle that the ball would come off the stringbed on underspin shots. I was able to get a more consistent trajectory and also hit it with more spin and still feel in control.

We didn't play points but I did hit a few serves and the weight has improved the response. Flat serves had more pop and seemed to have a bit higher bounce, and I didn't seem to lose any spin on second serves but did gain a couple of MPH.

Last thing is that this racquet is a string eater. About ten minutes from the end of the session, the string notched through and broke. I got about seven hours on the 1.20 Confidential that normally lasts me 10-12 hours on my Aero 112 that also has a 16x19 string pattern. I'm undecided about using a different string at this point because the Phantom 107G feels much better with the added weight, and I think it would work better if I just spread the weight out on the hoop rather than concentrating it at the upper hoop corners.

The weather is finally starting to turn nice so I'll be able to start hitting outdoors. All of my previous sessions have been indoors.
 
Intriguing first hit with the 100X 290. Two hours of round robin doubles, and I (4.0) ended up playing entirely against bona fide 4.5s. I started off with a Vcore 98, which I’ve been gravitating toward lately, and for whatever reason it just wasn’t happening - couldn’t dial in my serve, groundstrokes were mediocre, etc. Halfway through I thought “well it can’t get much worse than this” and switched to the stock 100X 290. Expectations were low, because the stock 100X 290 (311g / 321 SW) is 24 grams lighter and 9 swingweight points lower than my current Vcore 98 setup (335g / 330 SW). (For those into this sort of thing, the recoil weights are actually quite similar, but MgR/I is much lower on the 100X 290.) Shockingly - things got better with the 100X 290. Groundstrokes didn’t get dialed in until the end of the session, but volleys were good (maybe a little less stable than the Vcore 98 but not hugely), and serves were much better. The 100X 290 is lower powered, but the beam is so thin that it felt easy to hit with exactly the right angle to get the desired spin on serve, placement was good, and I didn’t have as much fear of overhitting so could hit out more. It’s not like I was suddenly [insert name of your favorite pro], but I was expecting lemons and got a little lemonade instead. (And yes, this means I probably should take a little swingweight off my Vcore 98.)

Things got even more interesting when I did some singles rallying after the doubles (singles is more my thing anyway). The 100X 290 for sure is low powered, but not like a Vcore Pro/Percept, where shot speed increases with swing speed until you hit a point at which shot speed seems to top out even if you hit harder. With the 100X 290, I didn’t feel a plateau, just that you had to put a TON into the ball to really hit hard. Some of that is the low racket weight, but a lot of it is probably the racket. The 100X 290 seemed to prefer a loopier ball, but my hitting partner commented that I was still hitting heavy balls with it. Think Ash Barty’s forehand - not particularly fast, fairly high arc, but still heavy. (Interestingly, I think she played with a racket pretty similar similar to this - Gravity Pro with a 16x19 pattern at a very light strung weight.)

Final note: My hitting partner tried the 100X 290 too, and it was the oddest thing - it was the softest SOUNDING frame I’ve ever heard. It’s hard to describe, but it was the opposite of frames that make that beautiful loud crack when you nail a shot. This was like someone hitting a ball with a soft pillow. I didn’t notice this when hitting with it, though, only on the receiving end.

Color me intrigued. More to come.
 

Fed Kennedy

Legend
Hey man thank you for the kind words. I am not playing competitive these days so I just go out and hit with guys and play occasional set or a Doubles Match which feeds my holicizm perfectly as I can switch racquets and test them at will since there will be no real impact on my results lol.
I have been playing: Latest Prestige Pro 18x20 and 16x19. Prestige Classic 2.0 New Blade 18x20 and Pure Aero Origin if I want to strip the cover off the ball lol.
But how is that Origin though? :X3:
 

dgoran

Hall of Fame
But how is that Origin though? :X3:
It’s has been great if you let the racquet do the work. It’s a great racquet that I think people exaggerate how difficult is to use. It’s great for every shot and against big hitters it’s like a cheat code. Being a Rafa fan I have been adding lead to original apd since 2005 so this felt right at home.
It’s fun racquet. Obviously to make it a main racquet one has to put in the court time and stamina which is not what I have atm but it’s great for fun. I could play full time with it no problem but you know,…holicism kicks in and I get that itch to try something new.
 

dgoran

Hall of Fame
My initial impressions are extremely positive. It’s very similar to the line of racquets I prefer and usually default to after fun stints with tweeners that I love to hit with from time to time just because it’s so much fun to play with that huge power.
Prince 100x 18x20 plays Iike it’s built for me and my current game which really reminds me of how I felt about Prince 97p but with that stick I did wish from time to time that it was more closed ala 18x20 pattern. 93p in turn while closed felt too demanding for more than a fun hit.
In comparison to 2023 prestige pro 18x20, which has the same static weight btw as 100x, feels like prince comes through the air quicker and easier despite larger more “lollipop” like head. This makes sense since it’s thin variable beam and more head light construction is about 9-10 pts head light vs 7-8 or so on the prestige makes it more zippy.

Despite more head light balance prince 100x 18x20 feels more stable and plays with a bigger sweet spot even though prestige has “better” string combo with vs gut Alu combo.
Comfort feels the same on both but I bet if prince was strung with the same vs/alu combo it would edge out my prestige in comfort.
I have to string my gravity pro to compare side by side but from memory they feel very close but variable beam on prince makes it feel thinner and less cumbersome on my one hander but the biggest difference is in weight and distribution of weight. To get gravity pro to 12pts head light I would need tons of lead which would make it too heavy for me and my game. So if you ever wanted more head light easier to use gravity pro well now you have it with this 18x20 100x
 
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Trip

Legend
Very encouraging, @dgoran. I have a TennisNerd update on the X's to share. Jonas has been spending quite a bit of time with both the 100X 305 and 18x20, and seems quite taken with both of them -- to the point of appearing switchable. Obviously that's not a huge declaration, though, given his history of serial frame hopping, but still, an encouraging sign for the frames.

Being a Patreon supporter, I asked the following question for his latest video Q&A (published yesterday): do the new Phantom 100X 305 and 18x20 offer anything considerably better than the previous gen?
(To me, the previous gen flexed too much, lacked enough counterpunching "thud", and the hoops had way too much tip flop, flex, bending, twisting and vibrations, irrespective of lead or string setup)

Here's what he had to say, transcribed verbatim (a bit disconnected in flow, as it was more a stream of consciousness):
Yes, it does. I think it's more stable and powerful. RA remains low. I don't feel any discomfort. It's not the softest racquet on the market, either, maybe, but I do feel no discomfort playing with them. And I do feel like they give me more stability. And while the 18x20 of the previous generation was so flexy; it felt like when it flexed the whole racquet vibrated. When I hit with it [the previous generations models], the 16x18 was a bit better. I feel like those issue have been resolved and I'm very happy with these racquets. I think it's the happiest I've been with a racquet in a long, long time. I don't really see any issues for me personally with any stroke. Usually I have some stroke, like, "Okay, this is not that good on serve" or whatever, but here I'm pretty happy on all wings. I mean, different other racquets do different things better, but for me more stability and some extra power.

So, pretty positive from him, although I remain skeptical how just how much more powerful or stable they could be, given it's basically only a layup tweak. So I'll be keen to follow others' feedback here, especially those who hit with the previous-gen Phantom X's.
 
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dgoran

Hall of Fame
Very encouraging, @dgoran. I have a TennisNerd update on the X's to share. Jonas has been spending quite a bit of time with both the 100X 305 and 18x20, and seems quite taken with both of them -- to the point of appearing switchable. Given his history of serial frame hopping, who knows how long that will last, but still, an encouraging sign for the frames.

Being a Patreon supporter of TN, I was able to submit the following question for his video Q&A: do the new Phantom 100X 305 and 18x20 offer anything considerably better than the previous gen?
(To me, they flexed too much, lacked enough counterpunching "thud", and the hoops had way too much tip flop, flex, bending, twisting and vibrations, irrespective of lead or string setup)

Here's what he had to say, transcribed verbatim (a bit disconnected in flow, as it was more a stream of consciousness):


All in all, a pretty positive, although I remain skeptical how just swapping in Zylon in place of Twaron could make the frames that much more powerful or stable. Will be keen to follow others' feedback here.
Thank you for this, we posted min from each other and my sentiments match TN almost exactly.
 

Gee

Hall of Fame
My initial impressions are extremely positive. It’s very similar to the line of racquets I prefer and usually default to after fun stints with tweeners that I love to hit with from time to time just because it’s so much fun to play with that huge power.
Prince 100x 18x20 plays Iike it’s built for me and my current game which really reminds me of how I felt about Prince 97p but with that stick I did wish from time to time that it was more closed ala 18x20 pattern. 93p in turn while closed felt too demanding for more than a fun hit.
In comparison to 2023 prestige pro 18x20, which has the same static weight btw as 100x, feels like prince comes through the air quicker and easier despite larger more “lollipop” like head. This makes sense since it’s thin variable beam and more head light construction is about 9-10 pts head light vs 7-8 or so on the prestige makes it more zippy.

Despite more head light balance prince 100x 18x20 feels more stable and plays with a bigger sweet spot even though prestige has “better” string combo with vs gut Alu combo.
Comfort feels the same on both but I bet if prince was strung with the same vs/alu combo it would edge out my prestige in comfort.
I have to string my gravity pro to compare side by side but from memory they feel very close but variable beam on prince makes it feel thinner and less cumbersome on my one hander but the biggest difference is in weight and distribution of weight. To get gravity pro to 12pts head light I would need tons of lead which would make it too heavy for me and my game. So if you ever wanted more head light easier to use gravity pro well now you have it with this 18x20 100x
Glad you like the PP100X 18x20.

I have been playing for an year with the previous PP100x 18x20 customized with 4 grams of 1/4 inch lead strips spread out at the top of the frame and strung with TF Multifeel 1.25 at 23kg. Very nice racquet that does everything well. Lots of feel and control with a very forgiving sweetspot that something feels like cheating to me as I'm used to 95 and 98sq inch frames.

A few months ago I purchased and started to play with the Head Prestige Pro Auxetic 1.0 because they were on sale and I have been always a Prestige fan.

In the beginning I had to get used to the little smaller and a little more demanding head size again but after a few weeks I noticed I have more confidence in hitting out more because of the lower power better control and precision. Through this my strokes are of a better quality and more rewarding.

The Head PP also feels more solid and a little more firm than my PP100X 18x20s.

I think both are great frames and I still don't know which one I play better with. When I played practice matches with both ones against the same opponent the results were similar so it didn't make much of a difference.
 

ey039524

Hall of Fame
I have two sessions w the 100p fitted w a full leather grip and tungsten putty in the cap to 350 g. I like the head light balance and stability.

Today, my son and I played a coach (former D1 player) and a former D3 player: we normally win, but today we won 6-0, 6-0. The coach said it makes him think about quitting, haha. We didn't do anything great, just decent. I would say the fault lies more w them today (we're about 4.5 level).

The 100p still feels like shots go a little long, understandably since I was hitting w the 93 sq in racquets prior to this playtest. The coach suggested I take a step back on the returns to compensate. This works, as long as the serve kicks up high enough. Serves that land short, make me hit up, which induce a long return.

Positives so far: no more soreness in the elbow. Probably fewer mishits compared w the 93.

I just strung up one of my old phantom pro 100s w the same cream x ZX set up to compare this weekend.

Will report back and then give my final playtest review.
 

codonnell

Semi-Pro
I just took the 305 for 2 hours of doubles as the 3.5-4.0 level. The frame is incredibly forgiving on serves, even in very wIndy conditions I had no problem spinning Serves into the box. The frame definitely requires a full swing but when you do there’s solid action and good control. I passed around to 3 others toward the end. They all agreed that they really enjoyed the whippet headlight balance and that the feel was incredibly comfortable. One person liked it so much she took a couple pictures of it and is considering a switch from her prince exo 16-18. Which when I hit with I found alot more jarring and less consistent then the phantom 305.
 

pedrogcr

Semi-Pro
Finally we can talk about something important. So, it’s a Prince, a classic tourna with red finishing tape really evokes the glory days. The white really has a nice contrast with the dark green and kind of gives off a british racing green kind of vibe. Of course, string color is important

But that's cheating! The classic blue tourna with red finishing tape looks great on every racquet!
 

Trip

Legend
I bet these Phantoms would look absolutely sick with Grapplesnake Tour M8 (olive-green colored) strings and a really dark forest-green over grip (a bit darker than the darkest shade of green on the frame), if such a shade of over grip was made by anyone...
 
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