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In my opinion yesFeel and swing motion are the same between 16x19 and 18x20 ?
That’s why I think the 18x20 is low powered. The 18x20 could use a little help with a boost in SW
In my opinion yesFeel and swing motion are the same between 16x19 and 18x20 ?
I just hit a few balls with 16x19 back then and the feel was kinda harsh/direct and a little bit muted. It was strung with element black. The most impressive aspect of the racquet was how stable it was. But it also felt too head heavy and not so quick through the air. So i am very curious of some reviews here on 18x20 that it felt soft and very commutative. I play with a 18x16 so i am more suited to do a full playtest of 16x19. That’s why i am asking if they feel similar with the 18x20 ?In my opinion yes
That’s why I think the 18x20 is low powered. The 18x20 could use a little help with a boost in SW
I just hit a few balls with 16x19 back then and the feel was kinda harsh/direct and a little bit muted. It was strung with element black. The most impressive aspect of the racquet was how stable it was. But it also felt too head heavy and not so quick through the air. So i am very curious of some reviews here on 18x20 that it felt soft and very commutative. I play with a 18x16 so i am more suited to do a full playtest of 16x19. That’s why i am asking if they feel similar with the 18x20 ?
If at 55 I can handle an extended frame for 2 hours on the court vs guys 10-15 years younger than me, then I’m sure you can at your age.So…the only downside I’m facing right now is my arm not being used to new shots
I never ever hit flat serves all junior and college tennis so now that I have a reliable and killer flat serve bomb, my arm is dying from the sudden jump in big serving motions. My forehand is also not used to that extra half inch weight transfer when I flick the wrist at the end of the forehand motion. I’m sure some care to my arm and a little more attention to recovery will take care of this but it’s very new and my body is getting caught off guard
So…the only downside I’m facing right now is my arm not being used to new shots
I never ever hit flat serves all junior and college tennis so now that I have a reliable and killer flat serve bomb, my arm is dying from the sudden jump in big serving motions. My forehand is also not used to that extra half inch weight transfer when I flick the wrist at the end of the forehand motion. I’m sure some care to my arm and a little more attention to recovery will take care of this but it’s very new and my body is getting caught off guard
It’s really only when I play 3-4 sets of doubles and really going for those free points from the serve. Hit with my student today who can hit pretty heavy and no discomfort at allI’d be really careful to not injure the arm. My hitting buddies have recovered after months of enduring pain and painful rehab/physical therapy. It just doesn’t heal up quickly.
any chance I can convince you to add an extra half inch to that racket of yours...?Week 2:brief report -
As I got my timing down with WO 18x20, here are my thoughts:
I’m beginning to think WO 18x20 is the only racket I’d ever need. It does what heavier player’s sticks can do with being much lighter and easier to swing. I still need to work on my slices, but this stick is fantastic.
- There is more than enough power in the reserves - just have to swing for it. Not so low powered as I initially thought.
- Control is predictable and pin-point
- Very, very spin friendly
- Nice feel at impact - Firm, yet comfortable. Muted, yet very communicative.
- Easy to swing, even under pressure.
- Stable against heavy shots
Definitely honeymoon, but I’m playing better now after about ten hours than in the beginning. Framed a lot of shots at first being too early in the contact zone. I can now hit more freely without thinking about timing. I’m beginning to think this is all I would ever need in a racket because it needs no modification and does just about everything well. I played my best tennis in a long time using the weighted up Pure Strike VS, but for some reason my pinky would slide off the buttcap and rub against the edge causing my inner pinky to get raw. This racket plays close in character with firmer and more muted feel. I can just swing out without having to worry about control and my pinky.@mhkeuns - How many hours on the frame so far? Still in the honeymoon stage, perhaps?
I’m actually really curious about the XTD 18x20. Definitely thinking about demoing it.any chance I can convince you to add an extra half inch to that racket of yours...?
@mhkeuns - Great feedback. I presume the WO lets you hit a bigger ball with less weight added versus the PSVS? And definitely curious about the 18x20 XTD myself.
which version blade? very different rackets, especially the V8 as its no longer 18x19bummer I missed out on this, has anyone used the xtd solinco whiteout and can compare with the Wilson blade 104?
v8, I know they are very different besides both being 27.5 but there's a very limited choice in this lengthwhich version blade? very different rackets, especially the V8 as its no longer 18x19
at 104 sq in and 16x19, you’re gonna be closer to the WO16x19 XTD which i found pretty powerful and a lot of spin potential and a little erratic.v8, I know they are very different besides both being 27.5 but there's a very limited choice in this length
How would the 18x20 xtd work on a one handed backhand? I imagine serve, slice, forehand would benefit a longer frame, but with a onehander I would like a normal length (typically)at 104 sq in and 16x19, you’re gonna be closer to the WO16x19 XTD which i found pretty powerful and a lot of spin potential and a little erratic.
the 18x20 is much more control oriented but still has that XTD free power. it might be a bit tougher to use than the Blade with a higher static weight and higher SW and lower launch angle. If you’re valuing that 16x19 pop I would look into the 16x19 XTD. but if you’re looking for a more player esque frame with some power give the 18x20 a chance
I imagine it’s quite clunky. The main advantage on two hand backhand with extended racket is that the limited range of motion gets some help. You already have wider range of motion on one handed backhand so adding the extended length might make it unwieldy.How would the 18x20 xtd work on a one handed backhand? I imagine serve, slice, forehand would benefit a longer frame, but with a onehander I would like a normal length (typically)
The weighted buttcap would of course add static weight, add recoil weight, lower the balance point, add a very small amount of swing weight and more polarization (making the swing path loopier). Maneuverability would increase, while swing resistance and stroke predictability would decrease. So adding/subtracting head-lightness is, pun intended, a balancing act.Has anyone tried the weighted buttcaps? Just wondering what it would do to a stick that is already highly maneuverable.
I tried it on the 16x19 XTD 5 grams. it worked well. The racket had the same manuevarability as the 18x20 XTD but that high launch angle with clunky swing made the balls kinda fly if you didnt add enough shape and 'whip'. the headlightness after the weighted cap allowed me to come over the ball so that it drops back in. the 18x20 pattern with all this SW works well so I dont have the urge to add the caps quite yet. I'm still adjusting to the frame in a match confidence sense. Once it hits summer I think i'll start to better feel out what cuztomization needs can be done if any. feels great stockHas anyone tried the weighted buttcaps? Just wondering what it would do to a stick that is already highly maneuverable.
Yes. I put them on both the WO xtd 18M and BO xtd. I really enjoyed them and found them to help play a lot, so much to the extent I've started tailweighting all my racquets now. I even added an extra 10 grams of lead around the butt to exaggerate the effect of the 10g butt insert.Has anyone tried the weighted buttcaps? Just wondering what it would do to a stick that is already highly maneuverable.
I think for most it will come down to 'feel'. I demoed the Blackout XTD and Pure Drive + "side-by-side" last fall, along w/ the Whiteout XTD 16x19. The 16x19 Whiteout XTD reminded me a lot of my VCORE 98 +, and since I was looking for a little more pop, felt it was a lateral move.Anyone use the XTD whiteout and the blackout and compare? I’d like a little pop like the pure aero or drive XTD
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No much less power. pretty different racket Power and control wiseI really wanted to like the WO 16x19. But for me, it often had quite a trampoline effect on some shots, which made consistent play impossible. Is the 18x20 more controlled? And still comes close power and spin-wise?
need o try it. thought I had my match with the shift300 :/No much less power. pretty different racket Power and control wise
Surprisingly good spin potential
Whiteout 18x20 is a control stick that begs you to play aggressive tennis. It might not have the 16x19 power, but it has enough juice to pull some point ending winners. The spin potential, accuracy, stability, and ease of swing makes it an all-court attacker’s dream racket without having to carry so much static weight.need o try it. thought I had my match with the shift300 :/
May I ask: How is it when playing against heavy hitters from the baseline? Is there enought plow and stability to bring back an also heavy ball and staying in the rally? I know really relative question, but I had problems in such scenario with my ET/ETA.Whiteout 18x20 is a control stick that begs you to play aggressive tennis. It might not have the 16x19 power, but it has enough juice to pull some point ending winners. The spin potential, accuracy, stability, and ease of swing makes it an all-court attacker’s dream racket without having to carry so much static weight.
Extreme Tour? It’s easier to just block back with this racket with the slightly heftier SW. it’s more stable than Extreme if that’s the correct racketMay I ask: How is it when playing against heavy hitters from the baseline? Is there enought plow and stability to bring back an also heavy ball and staying in the rally? I know really relative question, but I had problems in such scenario with my ET/ETA.
Correct. Thanks for the improvised answer.Extreme Tour? It’s easier to just block back with this racket with the slightly heftier SW. it’s more stable than Extreme if that’s the correct racket
I would say the WO 18x20 plays similar to much more maneuverable but slightly less powerful Blade 98 V7 18x20. It has a plenty of power from the baseline with pin-point control. If you like to grind out points with baseline bashing, there are better options. If you like to be aggressive from the baseline and like to hit close to the lines, this is a fantastic racket. Often power comes from having the confidence to swing out and knowing where the balls will land. There is more than enough power actually.May I ask: How is it when playing against heavy hitters from the baseline? Is there enought plow and stability to bring back an also heavy ball and staying in the rally? I know really relative question, but I had problems in such scenario with my ET/ETA.