Tennis without Big3

[Lew II]

I was checking who went the deepest in Slams without Big3. From 2000 to 2010 (44 slams) maybe no one would win two in a row!

AO 2000 - Agassi
RG 2000 - Kuerten
WI 2000 - Sampras
UO 2000 - Safin
AO 2001 - Agassi
RG 2001 - Kuerten
WI 2001 - Ivanisevic
UO 2001 - Hewitt
AO 2002 - Johansson
RG 2002 - Costa
WI 2002 - Hewitt
UO 2002 - Sampras
AO 2003 - Agassi
RG 2003 - Ferrero
WI 2003 - Philippoussis
UO 2003 - Roddick
AO 2004 - Safin
RG 2004 - Gaudio
WI 2004 - Roddick
UO 2004 - Hewitt
AO 2005 - Safin
RG 2005 - Puerta
WI 2005 - Roddick
UO 2005 - Agassi
AO 2006 - Baghdatis
RG 2006 - Nalbandian / Ljubicic
WI 2006 - Bjorkman / Baghdatis
UO 2006 - Roddick
AO 2007 - Gonzalez
RG 2007 - Davydenko
WI 2007 - Gasquet
UO 2007 - Davydenko / Ferrer
AO 2008 - Tsonga
RG 2008 - Monfils
WI 2008 - Safin / Schuettler
UO 2008 - Murray
AO 2009 - Roddick / Verdasco
RG 2009 - Soderling
WI 2009 - Roddick
UO 2009 - Del Potro
AO 2010 - Murray
RG 2010 - Soderling
WI 2010 - Berdych
UO 2010 - Youzhny

Then Murray's reign begins:

AO 2011 - Murray
RG 2011 - Murray
WI 2011 - Murray / Tsonga
UO 2011 - Murray
AO 2012 - Murray
RG 2012 - Ferrer
WI 2012 - Murray
UO 2012 - Murray
AO 2013 - Murray
RG 2013 - Ferrer
WI 2013 - Murray
UO 2013 - Wawrinka / Gasquet
AO 2014 - Wawrinka
RG 2014 - Murray / Gulbis
WI 2014 - Dimitrov / Raonic
UO 2014 - Cilic
AO 2015 - Murray
RG 2015 - Wawrinka
WI 2015 - Murray / Gasquet
UO 2015 - Wawrinka / Cilic
AO 2016 - Murray
RG 2016 - Murray
WI 2016 - Murray
UO 2016 - Wawrinka
AO 2017 - Wawrinka / Dimitrov
RG 2017 - Wawrinka
WI 2017 - Cilic
UO 2017 - Anderson
AO 2018 - Cilic
RG 2018 - Thiem
WI 2018 - Anderson
UO 2018 - Del Potro
AO 2019 - Tsitsipas / Pouille
RG 2019 - Thiem
WI 2019 - Bautista Agut
UO 2019 - Medvedev
AO 2020 - Thiem

 

[weakera]

Jesus christ how terrifying. Tennis is truly doomed.

 

[DSH]

Mury GOAT!

 

[Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil]

Of all these outcomes, RBA winning Wimbledon would have been the most beautiful by far...

 

[OldschoolKIaus]

Ban Murray!

 

[Mark-Touch]

This is the Lew we all love at TTW!

 

[Bumbaliceps]

If you wanna do this kind of thing you must adjust the draws otherwise it doesn't mean anything.
So you have to make predictions...

 

[tennis_pro]

AO 2011 - Murray
RG 2011 - Murray
WI 2011 - Murray / Tsonga
UO 2011 - Murray
AO 2012 - Murray
RG 2012 - Ferrer
WI 2012 - Murray
UO 2012 - Murray
AO 2013 - Murray

xxxxxDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

 

[The Guru]

Of all these outcomes, RBA winning Wimbledon would have been the most beautiful by far...

Lol a world where we have Bjorkman Gasquet Dimitrov Anderson Phillipousis and RBA as Wimbledon champions is crazy to think about.

 

[Lew II]

Hypothetical Slam titles in this period:

Murray between 14 and 17
Roddick 5 or 6
Wawrinka between 4 and 7
Safin, Cilic 3 or 4
Agassi, Hewitt, Thiem 3
Ferrer 2 or 3
Kuerten, Sampras, Soderling, Del Potro, Anderson 2
Gasquet between 1 and 3
Baghdatis, Davydenko, Tsonga 1 or 2
Ivanisevic, Johansson, Costa, Ferrero, Philippoussis, Gaudio, Puerta, Gonzalez, Monfils, Berdych, Youzhny, Bautista Agut, Medvedev 1
Dimitrov between 0 and 2
Nalbandian, Ljubicic, Bjorkman, Schuettler, Verdasco, Gulbis, Raonic, Tsitsipas, Pouille 0 or 1

 

[Lew II]

xxxxxDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

''Murray is not ATG''

 

[tennis_pro]

''Murray is not ATG''

That is correct.

Is Kuerten an ATG? What about Wawrinka?

 

[Lew II]

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[Lew II]

That is correct.

Is Kuerten an ATG? What about Wawrinka?

A player that does better than any non-Big3 at 14-17 slams is an ATG for me.

 

[Lew II]

Murray is 27-7 against Tsonga, Gasquet, Gulbis, so he could possibly get to 17 slams.

 

[Backspin1183]

Tennis without the big 3?

 

[tennis_pro]

A player that does better than any non-Big3 at 14-17 slams is an ATG for me.

Yeah ok well Murray is not an ATG outside of your head man

 

[Yugram]

We have to consider that the 4th player to go deepest in tournament wasn’t necessary the 4th highest level of the tournament. Wawrinka at AO 13/Medvedev at AO 19/Del Potro at Wimbledon 18 come to mind immediately.

 

[King No1e]

Proof that Fedalovic are in another world: Remove them and Murray (the 4th elite, who hung with them at the highest levels) still wouldn't have as many Slams as any of them.

 

[joohan]

I was checking who went the deepest in Slams without Big3. From 2000 to 2010 (44 slams) maybe no one would win two in a row!

AO 2000 - Agassi
RG 2000 - Kuerten
WI 2000 - Sampras
UO 2000 - Safin
AO 2001 - Agassi
RG 2001 - Kuerten
WI 2001 - Ivanisevic
UO 2001 - Hewitt
AO 2002 - Johansson
RG 2002 - Costa
WI 2002 - Hewitt
UO 2002 - Sampras
AO 2003 - Agassi
RG 2003 - Ferrero
WI 2003 - Philippoussis
UO 2003 - Roddick
AO 2004 - Safin
RG 2004 - Gaudio
WI 2004 - Roddick
UO 2004 - Hewitt
AO 2005 - Safin
RG 2005 - Puerta
WI 2005 - Roddick
UO 2005 - Agassi
AO 2006 - Baghdatis
RG 2006 - Nalbandian / Ljubicic
WI 2006 - Bjorkman / Baghdatis
UO 2006 - Roddick
AO 2007 - Gonzalez
RG 2007 - Davydenko
WI 2007 - Gasquet
UO 2007 - Davydenko / Ferrer
AO 2008 - Tsonga
RG 2008 - Monfils
WI 2008 - Safin / Schuettler
UO 2008 - Murray
AO 2009 - Roddick / Verdasco
RG 2009 - Soderling
WI 2009 - Roddick
UO 2009 - Del Potro
AO 2010 - Murray
RG 2010 - Soderling
WI 2010 - Berdych
UO 2010 - Youzhny

Then Murray's reign begins:

AO 2011 - Murray
RG 2011 - Murray
WI 2011 - Murray / Tsonga
UO 2011 - Murray
AO 2012 - Murray
RG 2012 - Ferrer
WI 2012 - Murray
UO 2012 - Murray
AO 2013 - Murray
RG 2013 - Ferrer
WI 2013 - Murray
UO 2013 - Wawrinka / Gasquet
AO 2014 - Wawrinka
RG 2014 - Murray / Gulbis
WI 2014 - Dimitrov / Raonic
UO 2014 - Cilic
AO 2015 - Murray
RG 2015 - Wawrinka
WI 2015 - Murray / Gasquet
UO 2015 - Wawrinka / Cilic
AO 2016 - Murray
RG 2016 - Murray
WI 2016 - Murray
UO 2016 - Wawrinka
AO 2017 - Wawrinka / Dimitrov
RG 2017 - Wawrinka
WI 2017 - Cilic
UO 2017 - Anderson
AO 2018 - Cilic
RG 2018 - Thiem
WI 2018 - Anderson
UO 2018 - Del Potro
AO 2019 - Tsitsipas / Pouille
RG 2019 - Thiem
WI 2019 - Bautista Agut
UO 2019 - Medvedev
AO 2020 - Thiem

While this may be rather informative, it's quite far from a proper simulation of a situation when Big 3 are completely absent from the off. You'd have to go round by round and simulate the potential outcome of every match-up that would emerge as a result of said absence...starting with shift in seeding etc. Can actually be done but it is a touch more complicated than a simple subtraction.

 

[KINGROGER]

Murray ain’t winning nearly as many as you think. Probably caps off around 8-10 at most. Roddick on 6-7.

 

[AnOctorokForDinner]

Lol a world where we have Bjorkman Gasquet Dimitrov Anderson Phillipousis and RBA as Wimbledon champions is crazy to think about.

More like Ancic, Berdych, Raonic and del Potro.
Ancic winning would've been funny but at least he was a natural grasscourter. RBA though, oh 2019...

 

[The Guru]

More like Ancic, Berdych, Raonic and del Potro.
Ancic winning would've been funny but at least he was a natural grasscourter. RBA though, oh 2019...

I was just playing along with OPs people. Relax man I don't know why you're always coming at my posts. Yeah those people probably don't win without Big 3 I was just having fun with it. RBA probably doesn't win either I didn't realize I was supposed to be making predictions.

 

[AnOctorokForDinner]

I was just playing along with OPs people. Relax man I don't know why you're always coming at my posts. Yeah those people probably don't win without Big 3 I was just having fun with it. RBA probably doesn't win either I didn't realize I was supposed to be making predictions.

Seriously though, who else wins 2019 Wimbledon if Fedalovic all withdraw? Has to be RBA, Goffin or Nishikori (certainly not Querrey, guy couldn't rally). Ridiculous for grass.

 

[skaj]

= Mirka without her diamonds.

 

[The Guru]

Seriously though, who else wins 2019 Wimbledon if Fedalovic all withdraw? Has to be RBA, Goffin or Nishikori (certainly not Querrey, guy couldn't rally). Ridiculous for grass.

I'd bet on Nishikori. He was in pretty solid form. He's kind of like a **** Hewitt so his game is not not suited for post 2001 grass. I'd honestly take Goffin over RBA too. His match vs Medvedev was pretty good quality. Maybe Kyrgios or Berrettini. I'm really grasping at straws here. W 2019 was really a 3 man tournament and we knew that from the jump honestly. There was some hope for Kandy but really just Fedalovic were at a good level. Who do you think?

 

[Djokodal Fan]

tennis will die a terrifying death and musical chair competition for slams will begin when Big 3 are done.

Great thread OP with facts as always!

 

[Djokodal Fan]

Seriously though, who else wins 2019 Wimbledon if Fedalovic all withdraw? Has to be RBA, Goffin or Nishikori (certainly not Querrey, guy couldn't rally). Ridiculous for grass.

Some of those fans who come out saying that they are tired of Big 3 will soon witness RBA or someone like him lifting the wimbledon trophy! We'll wait and see how this forum reacts after all all is said and done between big 3 fans. I'm doubtful many of them will even hang around (including me)

 

[Third Serve]

Of all these outcomes, RBA winning Wimbledon would have been the most beautiful by far...

You some kind of masochist or something?

 

[Lew II]

Proof that Fedalovic are in another world: Remove them and Murray (the 4th elite, who hung with them 0 the highest levels) still wouldn't have as many Slams as any of them.

Murray is even more dominant than them in this scenario (9/11 slams won between AO 2011 and WI 2013).

It confirms that Big3 >>> Murray >>> anyone else.

 

[Lew II]

We have to consider that the 4th player to go deepest in tournament wasn’t necessary the 4th highest level of the tournament. Wawrinka at AO 13/Medvedev at AO 19/Del Potro at Wimbledon 18 come to mind immediately.

Of course. But it would be impossible to make a thread.

 

[clout]

Yooooo in this case, Murray would actually be Mury GOAT