Testing various shoes

[tdm_DR]

Hello, I’ve been injured for a few weeks now so I haven’t done a proper testing. Just put my right foot to check it was not an immediate return.
they feel roomy but not too big,my first impression is that I could have ordered a half size smaller to be sure. So I’ll stick with your usual sizing (10.5).

Hi again,
I'm glad I ordered the 10.5, they fit great. Awesome shoes, Really comfy and cushioned.
Thanks again for the suggestion.

 

[ChrisG]

Hi again,
I'm glad I ordered the 10.5, they fit great. Awesome shoes, Really comfy and cushioned.
Thanks again for the suggestion.

Great to read they fit right to you !! I’m yet to play with mine, maybe on Friday I’ll be back playing !

 

[d-quik]

This is work in progress and I will be updating. So far, the Raptors are my favorite followed by the Revolt 4.0 and speed FF2.

Shoe	Size (my standard 11US)	Fit (my feet are medium, normal arch)	Ventilation	Weight Feel	Durability (most currently in progress)	Stability	Cushioning
Lotto Raptor Hyperpulse	11	The fit is great, snug, true size. No slipping. Sitting higher but wide	Average I would say. No issues although no test time in hot conditions (75F max Ta)	Even though they weigh >16oz, they do not feel heavy at all	N/A yet. Only negative side is black marking sole	Excellent. Lacing is simple, they feel very secure and stable	Just perfect. The insole cushion is great, comfortable but communicative.
Lotto Mirage 100	13	The fit is inaccurate, very narrow, tight, runs small, suggest +1 to 1.5 size	Average I would say. No issues although no test time in hot conditions (75F max Ta)	The lightest of the bunch	N/A yet. Will not keep them as the fit is not ideal. Too narrow and too long...	Average	very thin, minimal but adequate -- no rubbing or pains. Sole is also "thin"
Asics Solution FF2	11	The fit is good, slightly comfortable in front, true size. No slipping. Could not wear Court or Gel due to low heel. Same concern, low heel position also with the Solution Speed FF2! Feels like the mid foot sits higher than the heel. Therefore, the heel area is fairly shallow, and laces are painfully short to use the last lacing hole	Average I would say. Felt little warm yesterday although no test time in hot conditions (75F max Ta)	They feel very light and very fast.	N/A yet.	Very Good, though still not comfortable pushing all the way with fairly narrow heel. But they feel stable	very good. put additional 5 hours on them and cushioning is working very well, and they are communicative. Front flex felt like they "popped" a few times. made me wonder if I ran over a ball...
Head Revolt Pro 3.5	11.5	They run slightly small. Order +0.5 and they are great fit. Sitting slightly higher. Perfect foot positioning, locked in without any tongue gimmicks. Great laces and lacing system	Excellent Ventilation from sides and bottom. Used them in 110F weather	Average I would say, very quick though	Very good, sole on par with the Barricades. 6-month sole warranty	Very Good	very good
Head Revolt Pro 4.0	11	True size, great fit all around, No slipping. Sitting lower than 3.5. Perfect foot positioning, locked in without any tongue gimmicks. Great laces and lacing system	Excellent Ventilation (even better than 3.5) from sides and bottom. Used them in 110F weather and they are black color.	I believe they are slightly heavier than the 3.5 however, do not feel heavy	Very good, sole on par with the Barricades, maybe slightly less durable. I hope they come with the 6-month warranty	Excellent stability as they are slightly lower than the previous version.	very good, absolutely no rubbing or any pains. They flex great.
New Adidas Barricade	11	True size, good fit all around, No slipping. Sitting lower. Weird lacing	I did not like Ventilation. Could be improved	They do not feel heavy, on contrary, they feel lighter than previous Barricades	Benchmark of durability Will not keep them as I expected more from them but also have worn them through the first sole layer (roughly 2.5 months of use, on par with previous models)	Benchmark, though I noticed these are slightly more slippery than the previous models	weak in a few areas, up front, tongue...
Mizuno Wave Exceed 4	11	They run bigger, should have ordered 10.5. Roomy up front. Sit slightly higher. No slipping. Easy lacing.	Average I would say. No issues although no test time in hot conditions (75F max Ta)	Feel very light and not sure how they do that (see cushioning)	N/A yet.	Very good actually. I pushed them a bit last week and realized the stability is better than expected.	a lot of cushioning and soft sole - sometimes feels too soft. Front flex felt like they "popped" a few times. made me wonder if I ran over a ball...
Adidas SCB	10.5	They run bigger, ordered 10.5. Roomy up front in 11, 10.5 fine. Some slipping initially, improved over time	Better than Barricade. Was happy with them over 1.5 years of use	To me these felt the heaviest of the bunch	Good	Excellent	very good, although as I recall was weak up front

You don't have any interest in adding Diadoras or the Babolat SFX3 to your awesome chart?

 

[dr325i]

You don't have any interest in adding Diadoras or the Babolat SFX3 to your awesome chart?

I just ordered a pair of new Diadora B.Icon AG and will be adding them to the table…

 

[dr325i]

If anyone interested in the Mizunos or the Mirage 100, please contact me.

I posted the Mirages in the FS section and will be posting the other two.

 

[Fintft]

I don't understand, as I can still get, relatively effortlessly, the best clay shoes in the world Asics Gel Resolution 8 in Canada, in all sizes. Granted no sales though...

 

[d-quik]

Canada

You ever seen Diadoras? Or Raptors? Locally.

 

[Fintft]

You ever seen Diadoras? Or Raptors? Locally.

Got some Diadoras in Romania and didn't like them.

 

[Lorenn]

I don't understand, as I can still get, relatively effortlessly, the best clay shoes in the world Asics Gel Resolution 8 in Canada, in all sizes. Granted no sales though...

In the US the issue is mainly that the Western Seaboard Ports capable of handling the ultra large container ships have a backlog of about seventy-eight ships to process. The largest cargo ships have almost twenty-four thousand containers. The two California ports can handle about eight/night hundred thousand containers per month at perfect peak capacity. So we are talking thirty four to thirty-eight or so ships per month. Assuming they only get super container ships. This is all before you consider the other issues slowing down the chain.

I haven't had trouble finding shoes, but I can't be super picky. I just ordered new running shoes. I normally like certain colors and models, but I had to adapt on both. Tennis shoes I ordered about a year ago and have enough for awhile. Combination of Mizuno and K Swiss. I was considering testing out a batch of Head Revolt Pro 4.0. Right now we are sort of experiencing reverberations through the supply line. People are ordering more to prevent potential personal shortages, and therefore causing shortages. I also see a large increase is players on the courts and rival sports are using the same shoe.(basketball, pickleball) You also have people exploiting the shortages. Basically when it comes to shoes you can't be picky, you may need to consider multiple brands/colorways if you need urgently. Most brands seem to be rotating which brand is in/out of stock.

So typically there is a surplus of shoes and it is easy to buy great shoes on clearance. Now you are more likely to find shoes at MSRP and recently released. The last two batches of shoes are purchased were both at about ninety per shoe. Both Mizuno. Prior to the supply chain issue I would guess the average was closer to seventy-five, mainly because I was occasionally picky about the look of the shoe. I was always picky about the fit of the shoe.

 

[Fintft]

In the US the issue is mainly that the Western Seaboard Ports capable of handling the ultra large container ships have a backlog of about seventy-eight ships to process. The largest cargo ships have almost twenty-four thousand containers. The two California ports can handle about eight/night hundred thousand containers per month at perfect peak capacity. So we are talking thirty four to thirty-eight or so ships per month. Assuming they only get super container ships. This is all before you consider the other issues slowing down the chain.

I haven't had trouble finding shoes, but I can't be super picky. I just ordered new running shoes. I normally like certain colors and models, but I had to adapt on both. Tennis shoes I ordered about a year ago and have enough for awhile. Combination of Mizuno and K Swiss. I was considering testing out a batch of Head Revolt Pro 4.0. Right now we are sort of experiencing reverberations through the supply line. People are ordering more to prevent potential personal shortages, and therefore causing shortages. I also see a large increase is players on the courts and rival sports are using the same shoe.(basketball, pickleball) You also have people exploiting the shortages. Basically when it comes to shoes you can't be picky, you may need to consider multiple brands/colorways if you need urgently. Most brands seem to be rotating which brand is in/out of stock.

So typically there is a surplus of shoes and it is easy to buy great shoes on clearance. Now you are more likely to find shoes at MSRP and recently released. The last two batches of shoes are purchased were both at about ninety per shoe. Both Mizuno. Prior to the supply chain issue I would guess the average was closer to seventy-five, mainly because I was occasionally picky about the look of the shoe. I was always picky about the fit of the shoe.

But why not ship them from Canada to US?

 

[d-quik]

In the US the issue is mainly that the Western Seaboard Ports capable of handling the ultra large container ships have a backlog of about seventy-eight ships to process. The largest cargo ships have almost twenty-four thousand containers. The two California ports can handle about eight/night hundred thousand containers per month at perfect peak capacity. So we are talking thirty four to thirty-eight or so ships per month. Assuming they only get super container ships. This is all before you consider the other issues slowing down the chain.

I haven't had trouble finding shoes, but I can't be super picky. I just ordered new running shoes. I normally like certain colors and models, but I had to adapt on both. Tennis shoes I ordered about a year ago and have enough for awhile. Combination of Mizuno and K Swiss. I was considering testing out a batch of Head Revolt Pro 4.0. Right now we are sort of experiencing reverberations through the supply line. People are ordering more to prevent potential personal shortages, and therefore causing shortages. I also see a large increase is players on the courts and rival sports are using the same shoe.(basketball, pickleball) You also have people exploiting the shortages. Basically when it comes to shoes you can't be picky, you may need to consider multiple brands/colorways if you need urgently. Most brands seem to be rotating which brand is in/out of stock.

So typically there is a surplus of shoes and it is easy to buy great shoes on clearance. Now you are more likely to find shoes at MSRP and recently released. The last two batches of shoes are purchased were both at about ninety per shoe. Both Mizuno. Prior to the supply chain issue I would guess the average was closer to seventy-five, mainly because I was occasionally picky about the look of the shoe. I was always picky about the fit of the shoe.

He was talking about the pros, not retail

 

[Lorenn]

But why not ship them from Canada to US?

Likely reason, Cost.

Stores likely have shoes on order, they are just waiting for them to arrive. The problem is the main shipping lane are overworked and slow. Not many other ports are designed to handle the volume or ship size. It is taking maybe three months or so to get supplies versus the more normal forty days. Lock-downs sometimes occur and really throw things for a loop. China has a strong policy against outbreaks.

 

[dr325i]

Got some Diadoras in Romania and didn't like them.

Romanian Diadoras suck. I am curious about Italian

 

[Fintft]

Romanian Diadoras suck. I am curious about Italian

Diadora's were of course the Italian model. No good support, imho.

Mind you, for example hiking boots manufactured in Romania are tier one/among the best in the world, according to Canadian salespersons(such as Asolo leather hiking boots).

We own this model Asolo TPS 520 GV Boot - Men's (and don't get me wrong I also have Salewa mountaineering boots boots and many other brands) and it's great, I would say exceptional in all regards.

 

[dr325i]

Diadora's were of course the Italian model. No good support, imho.

Mind you, for example hiking boots manufactured in Romania are tier one/among the best in the world, according to Canadian salespersons(such as Asolo leather hiking boots).

We own this model Asolo TPS 520 GV Boot - Men's (and don't get me wrong I also have Salewa mountaineering boots boots and many other brands) and it's great, I would say exceptional in all regards.

I was kidding man. All Cool. Merci

 

[Blake Wilde]

@dr325i What are your thoughts on the Revolt 4.0 upper durability? They've been on my radar after I go through my GR8s.

 

[dr325i]

@dr325i What are your thoughts on the Revolt 4.0 upper durability? They've been on my radar after I go through my GR8s.

I've had them for about 8 months, initially used them a lot then "preserved". The upper looks great.
I traveled in them to Europe and played over there (mainly clay) and HC in the USA...
If interested, I can send you pictures.

 

[dr325i]

Added initial thoughts on the Diadora B.Icon AG

 

[Blake Wilde]

I've had them for about 8 months, initially used them a lot then "preserved". The upper looks great.
I traveled in them to Europe and played over there (mainly clay) and HC in the USA...
If interested, I can send you pictures.

I'm super interested. I wear out the medial side on my left and I am also a toe dragger.

 

[dr325i]

I'm super interested. I wear out the medial side on my left and I am also a toe dragger.

Send me your email and I’ll send you some shots today

 

[Blake Wilde]

Send me your email and I’ll send you some shots today

blakewilde423@gmail.com is the best way to reach me.

 

[JGads]

Added initial thoughts on the Diadora B.Icon AG

So those odd looking Diadoras are decent, eh? How do they compare to the Mizunos or Asics Speeds? I'd imagine those are the closest comparisons? (more speed than stability shoe?)

 

[dr325i]

Added initial thoughts on the Diadora B.Icon AG

These are awesome shoes BUT only if you don’t have wide feet. I’d say medium, at best. If the fit is right, these do everything great. Light, fast, super stable, make sound, low to the ground and…similar to latest barricades, allow you to slide into the shot…
Very comfortable all around with excellent feedback from the court. I cannot say much about ventilation except that they feel great after 2 hours indoor play (probably around 70F. Will keep updating.

 

[galahad]

Revolt Pro 4.0 - great shoes

Have you ever tried or considered the Sprint Pro…I think they just released the 3.5

 

[dr325i]

Have you ever tried or considered the Sprint Pro…I think they just released the 3.5

I used the original Sprint SF and loved them. Tried the Sprint Pro 3.0 and did not like them. Have not tried the 3.5 however, I know they are popular with the Head team at the HQ

 

[galahad]

I used the original Sprint SF and loved them. Tried the Sprint Pro 3.0 and did not like them. Have not tried the 3.5 however, I know they are popular with the Head team at the HQ

I see…I’m unable to find weight information on either the revolt pro 4.0, or the sprint pro 3.5, and while I like the idea of being light, i like support and cushion as well…my fave ever shoes are barricades 2-5, and using Gel Res 7 at the moment - good but nothing amazing

 

[Nojoke]

Have you ever tried or considered the Sprint Pro…I think they just released the 3.5

I’d be interested in people’s thoughts on these too.

 

[dr325i]

I see…I’m unable to find weight information on either the revolt pro 4.0, or the sprint pro 3.5, and while I like the idea of being light, i like support and cushion as well…my fave ever shoes are barricades 2-5, and using Gel Res 7 at the moment - good but nothing amazing

I have added the measured weight (left shoe) of the ones I still have/use.

 

[Lorenn]

I see…I’m unable to find weight information on either the revolt pro 4.0, or the sprint pro 3.5, and while I like the idea of being light, i like support and cushion as well…my fave ever shoes are barricades 2-5, and using Gel Res 7 at the moment - good but nothing amazing

Revolt line is more of the cushion/stability shoe...Sprint Series is light weight. Revolt line was normally about an ounce heavier. My guess would be mid to high 13s for the Revolt Pro ...one ounce less for Spirit Pro. Evo 2.0 designed for wider feet. They look like great designs.

 

[dr325i]

Revolt line is more of the cushion/stability shoe...Sprint Series is light weight. Revolt line was normally about an ounce heavier. My guess would be mid to high 13s for the Revolt Pro ...one ounce less for Spirit Pro. Evo 2.0 designed for wider feet. They look like great designs.

See my table with updated weight information. Revolt Pro 4.0 is 14.1oz. (400g). I was surprised that they measured lighter than the Mirage 100's

 

[Lorenn]

See my table with updated weight information. Revolt Pro 4.0 is 14.1oz. (400g). I was surprised that they measured lighter than the Mirage 100's

Such a helpful add to the table. I was trying to guess the current weight of a size 9, as that is the typical size given when comparing running shoes. I know the weight of the previous shoe, but they did a major redesign.

 

[d-quik]

Lotto Mirage 100 13
weight: 415g / 14.6oz

....wow. from 10.5-11.5 to 13!?!?! Very odd

 

[dcchoy]

For those that have experience, how do the new Head Revolt 2.0 compare to the Court FF2?

 

[dr325i]

For those that have experience, how do the new Head Revolt 2.0 compare to the Court FF2?

Revolt 2.0 was released about 5 years ago.
However, the Revolt 4.0 is the new one and I like them better than the FF2.
The FF2 is a great shoe but with 2 major flaws in my opinion, the "sleeve" construction was terrible and hard to get on, and the sizing was weird, 11 was too big, 10.5 was too small for me. They are comfortable and very stable and decent ventilation.
The 4.0 are roomier up front, easy to put on and easy lacing, better ventilation and 6-month warranty.

 

[dcchoy]

Revolt 2.0 was released about 5 years ago.
However, the Revolt 4.0 is the new one and I like them better than the FF2.
The FF2 is a great shoe but with 2 major flaws in my opinion, the "sleeve" construction was terrible and hard to get on, and the sizing was weird, 11 was too big, 10.5 was too small for me. They are comfortable and very stable and decent ventilation.
The 4.0 are roomier up front, easy to put on and easy lacing, better ventilation and 6-month warranty.

You just sold me on trying the Revolt 4.0s! Any tips on sizing? I wear a 9 in FF2s

 

[dr325i]

You just sold me on trying the Revolt 4.0s! Any tips on sizing? I wear a 9 in FF2s

As said above, I had a tough time with FF2s. However, I’d suggest 9 for the 4.0s

 

[dcchoy]

As said above, I had a tough time with FF2s. However, I’d suggest 9 for the 4.0s

Thanks! Another nice benefit is they have a clay version available on TW.

 

[ChrisG]

So finally I was able to test the new raptor !! fantastic shoes (got the clay version), very comfortable. I think I could have gone a half size smaller, but I guess they will work fine if the upper doesn't strecth too much.
No break-in period, I wear thick custom orthotics so heel slippage is always a problem, but not on the Lotto.
I think the main reason is because the regular insole is already thicker than usual, so replacing it with an orthotic one doesn't imply a radical change of the overall fit as it does on 99% of the shoes.
they look incredible, and the vibram outsole is really effective. Riding back on my motorcycle I had trouble changing gears because the sole was too sticky and was gripping very hard the footpeg haha.
Overall a winner that is going to retire my true love, the Eclipsion 1 that I carefully saved for competition matches the past year and a half.

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[d-quik]

half size smaller

They ran long?

 

[ChrisG]

it's mostly the odd sizing chart Lotto use. I'm sz12 / 46
Lotto 46 is 12.5, so I bought them based on the european size. I should have bought them using the US size which seems more accurate.

 

[d-quik]

it's mostly the odd sizing chart Lotto use. I'm sz12 / 46
Lotto 46 is 12.5, so I bought them based on the european size. I should have bought them using the US size which seems more accurate.

12 would be 45.5? Or 46?

 

[dr325i]

A few updates.
Ran through the first pair of the Revolt Pro 4.0 (Prototype received back in May 2021). Awesome shoes, and happy I got the released version (no difference except labels)...
Will keep adding my thoughts

 

[jonestim]

I'm probably going to get a pair of Revolt Pro 4.0.

I'm coming from the Rush 2.5 where I wear a 10.5 (44 2/3). Local doesn't have a 10.5 Revolt for me to try. 11 seems a little more roomy in the toe width than I am accustomed to but the length feels ok. Anyone else used a Rush 2.5 and Revolt and did you go same size?

 

[d-quik]

runs small, suggest +1 to 1.5 sizeAverage I would say. No issues although no test time in hot conditions (75F max Ta)The lightest of the bunchN/A yet.
Will not keep them as the fit is not ideal. Too narrow and too long...

Wait you said the mirages both were "too long" and also "runs small"?

 

[JGads]

I'm probably going to get a pair of Revolt Pro 4.0.

I'm coming from the Rush 2.5 where I wear a 10.5 (44 2/3). Local doesn't have a 10.5 Revolt for me to try. 11 seems a little more roomy in the toe width than I am accustomed to but the length feels ok. Anyone else used a Rush 2.5 and Revolt and did you go same size?

Revolt 4s definitely wider in the forefoot than the Rush 2.5s, from what I remember from a try-on and it was no chance for my toes.

I’m still waiting to play with the Revolt 4s on clay to test them further, as I just haven’t had time lately to play on the dirt, only hardcourt. And there I’ve returned to the Mizuno Exceeds and am just really appreciating them all over again. As dr325 says in his table, I don’t know how they manage to fit that cushioning into such a light shoe. Super for hardcourt, really. Very curious what they do with the upcoming 5s.

 

[dr325i]

Wait you said the mirages both were "too long" and also "runs small"?

Sorry for the confusion. Initially, I ordered size 11.5 to fit my size 11 feet. It was way too tight. I asked the retailer to replace them with size 12 however, they sent me size 13.
13 is too big for me (but still feels narrow), 12 would have been ok…

 

[d-quik]

Sorry for the confusion. Initially, I ordered size 11.5 to fit my size 11 feet. It was way too tight. I asked the retailer to replace them with size 12 however, they sent me size 13.
13 is too big for me (but still feels narrow), 12 would have been ok…

No interest in testing the Fusion Rev 4 right?

 

[dr325i]

No interest in testing the Fusion Rev 4 right?

The reason I got all these going was shortage of shoes in the market and my over-reaction
Now, I have stocked on the Revolt 4.0 and Raptors and am good. No plans to add more

 

[dr325i]

The B.Icon are amazing. Becoming my favorites. A few surprises: Stability is excellent. They sit low and court feedback is excellent. The comfort is great!

 

[FIRETennis]

The B.Icon are amazing. Becoming my favorites. A few surprises: Stability is excellent. They sit low and court feedback is excellent. The comfort is great!

Thanks for the reviews. Just ordered a pair.
My feet are clay shoes terminators. I get upper breaks/holes in about 75-100h in most modern models with mesh/fabric uppers. Let's see how these hold up!

My 2021 destruction list:
3x asics gel resolution 8s
2x asics speed ff2
1x kswiss supreme
1x nike vapor pro