TGT293.2/TGT293.1 –– TGT291.2 ––– PT57A – TGK238

[Songs For A Dead Pilot]

Hi!

Not sure if this is a good idea, but I've decided to put a few questions to all of you in one thread.

1 / I was just wondering if anyone has played with these TGT291.2 prostock racquets?
Could you tell me more about them? Is it the same mold as YT IG Prestige S?
There are some offered in Graphene XT pain job. They have 16x19 pattern, but
I am not sure if this is the same pattern as 16x19 in TGT293.1? Honestly I prefer
the 16x19 pattern in most recent Prestige S (Graphene/XT) than the one in YT IG.
They are different. The new one gives better control in my opinion.

Do you think the feel/touch of TGT293 would be better than in TGT291.2 or it shouldn't
be so much difference. The stiffness is at the same level I guess.

2 / PT57A/E customization

I have bought both of them recently - and gave them to customize in best local shop.
Their total weight with overgrip, lead, silicone, dampener (but I've resigned from leather grip) is around 347-350g.

I really like the the feel of both of them - however they are too havy for me (even with
strung balance 31.5-32.00cm). Do you think I still can have some of the adventages of both
of these racquets if I will make them weight around 335g (including 10g of overgrip and dampener).

I know that some of the rackets need some extra weight to get better feel from them. Does it
make a sense to use them in lighter configuration?

I love HL racquets – so I was also wondering what the balance of PT57A would you recommend
if I would like to have final weight of 335g.

3 / TGK238

What about the prostock racquets from this line? Do they feel more flexible than TGT293.1-2?
Do you think it's worth to try them out if I will have TGT293?

4 / Prostock Radicals
The last one. Could you write something more about prostock Radicals from TGK231 (Microgel
mold) and TGK260 (YT/IG mold)? Are they easier to use then let's say TGT238-TGT293 rackets?
Do they have more power? Better or worse feel? Most of them have 58-60RA, so they should be
more flexible than TGT293.

Any suggestions about the differences between TGK231's and TGK260's?


THANKS!

 

[hotasice]

whoa......450g? That thing must absolutely mangle the ball.

I have tgk 238.5, 238.1 and 260.5. I have all of them customized with silicone/lead to 350-353g static weight, 8-10 pts HL.

I like all of them for different reasons. the 260.5 has the most power, but the 238.5 feels the most stable and has the best control. The 238.1 is a nice blend of the other two. The 238.5 is 16x19 and generates a bit more spin than the 238.1. All are buttery smooth and flexy to me and very comfortable to hit with, no brassiness at all.

I also have some i.prest MP but the retail version. Some around here swear it is the PT57E, but at the least the retail version is the same mold. Again, mine have been customized to 353g static weight, 8 pts HL. Along the YT IG Prest MP, it has that "pro-stock" feel to it, if I can use that term.....it has that thick and beefy feel that I like. Great control, but with the customizations, it has great stability, very little vibration even on off-centre hits, plenty of free power with the correct footwork/technique. Plenty of spin for a 18x20 frame. The i.prest MP is a bit stiffer than my prostocks (around 62 I think).

What characteristics do you like in your frames?

 

[Songs For A Dead Pilot]

My mistake - of course 350g, but this is still too much.

I am just wondering if all these prostock racquets will play well in 330-335g range (including overgrip and dampener).

I like the buttery feel of my PT57A and PT57E - and the fact they still have a lot of power.

 

[Songs For A Dead Pilot]

In the last two years I used Tecnifibre 315 Ltd 18x20 (I prefer it for the control) – however customized a little bit (silicone only, total weight 337g with overgrip and Pacific dampener), retail Microgel / Liquidmetal / YT IG Radical MP (all a bit too light and missed stability) and Graphene XT Prestige S (a bit too stiff). Also liked the feel of ProKennex Q Tour 295g as well as YT IG Prestige Mid/MP (especially the smaller one, easier for me depsite the smaller headsize).

 

[Subaruvich]

I have TGT291.2 in graphene XT paint job and like it a lot. 335g/320mm strung with overgrip and dampener. Strung RA60. Good control, good spin. It has some lead at 12 and silicone in the handle. I like the feel of PT57A and iPrestige better, but TGT is more fun to play with and 16x19 suits my game style better. It’s livelier and more dynamic. The only thing I don’t like about this frame is thicker beam.
And by the way , retail graphene xt s feels like cr*p compared to 291.2.


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[Subaruvich]

Double post

 

[Songs For A Dead Pilot]

I bought 293.2, but UPS has broken it during transport last week. So I reordered 293.1 (16x19) from the same source. Hopefully it feels less stiff than IG Prestige Pro.

I was only wondering if TGT291.2 has the same 16x19 pattern as YT IG Prestige S? It is not the same as Graphene/Graphene XT. The new 16x19 pattern gives more control in my opinion - it is more similar to IG Prestige Pro pattern than first Prestige S edition.

Good to hear the feel of 291.2 is better than retail S. Do you think it feels softer than 293.1 (62-64RA)?

 

[Songs For A Dead Pilot]

I have tgk 238.5, 238.1 and 260.5. I have all of them customized with silicone/lead to 350-353g static weight, 8-10 pts HL.
I like all of them for different reasons. the 260.5 has the most power, but the 238.5 feels the most stable and has the best control. The 238.1 is a nice blend of the other two. The 238.5 is 16x19 and generates a bit more spin than the 238.1. All are buttery smooth and flexy to me and very comfortable to hit with, no brassiness at all.

Thanks for feedback! Do you think your racquets will play much worse (touch/feel) with 335g static weight?

 

[Songs For A Dead Pilot]

Double post

 

[hotasice]

Thanks for feedback! Do you think your racquets will play much worse (touch/feel) with 335g static weight?

I don't think the touch/feel aspects of the frame would change much if one fiddled with the static weight because the frame would still flex in the same areas.

The biggest difference changing the static weight would do I think would be to change the plow-through. I had one of my 238.5's at 345g static weight which was alright but still got pushed around a bit by the heavy hitters. Once I bumped it up to its current 353g, it became an absolute monster frame.

It's the same old thing----you should swing the heaviest frame you can with comfort and without hurting yourself or your technique. It took me a long time to work my fitness and technique up so I can effectively use my current preferred static weight.

 

[H22 fan]

I had and played with 293.1, 293.2 and 57a, but did not like them, you have to bring them to above 350 grms static weight to have some power and not to get pushed arround.
But with H22 at 335 grms and 325 - 330 bp is a different story...
Try to find the 231.3, really nice frame

 

[Songs For A Dead Pilot]

I have TGT291.2 in graphene XT paint job and like it a lot. 335g/320mm strung with overgrip and dampener. Strung RA60. Good control, good spin. It has some lead at 12 and silicone in the handle. I like the feel of PT57A and iPrestige better, but TGT is more fun to play with and 16x19 suits my game style better. It’s livelier and more dynamic. The only thing I don’t like about this frame is thicker beam.
And by the way , retail graphene xt s feels like cr*p compared to 291.2.

Good to hear 291.2 has better feel than Graphene XT Prestige S. Can you tell me if any one the current HEAD retail grommets can be used with 291.2?
Not sure about that - but it seems 291.2 doesn't have 16x19 pattern like YT IG Prestige S.
Is the beam 22mm?

 

[Songs For A Dead Pilot]

The biggest difference changing the static weight would do I think would be to change the plow-through. I had one of my 238.5's at 345g static weight which was alright but still got pushed around a bit by the heavy hitters. Once I bumped it up to its current 353g, it became an absolute monster frame.

I've already realised that lower static weight means the change of plow-through. What I am trying to do knowing that is to have sparing partners that allow me play with comfort wide range of tennis shots rather than put me all the time in defense. It is maybe not the way to win any ATP event, but enjoying tennis a lot.

It's the same old thing----you should swing the heaviest frame you can with comfort and without hurting yourself or your technique. It took me a long time to work my fitness and technique up so I can effectively use my current preferred static weight.

That's true! I am not worried about technique, but unfortunately for me fitness is a part of this game as well. And you need to be fit if you want to play using PT57A with heavy hitters.

 

[Songs For A Dead Pilot]

I had and played with 293.1, 293.2 and 57a, but did not like them, you have to bring them to above 350 grms static weight to have some power and not to get pushed arround. But with H22 at 335 grms and 325 - 330 bp is a different story...
Try to find the 231.3, really nice frame

I must admit I have troubles with playing with Wilson hand shape. H22 seams to be much stiffer than H19 as far as I know. Are these Wilson frames (H19/H22) 95" as well or they are real 98"?
I guess smaller heads suits better to my one-handed backhand. If I don't play tennis matches – just playing for fun – I love my YT IG Prestige Mid (which is 90" in fact).

231.3 - is this Microgel Radical MP mould (16x19)? How stiff are they in comparison to 293.1-2 and H22?

 

[vsbabolat]

I find the PT57A more powerful than the 293.2

 

[Songs For A Dead Pilot]

I find the PT57A more powerful than the 293.2

That's right! It is more powerful than PT57E for me – despite lower stiffness. So I guess it is more important which parts of the racquet are stiff/flex.

Have you ever played with TGK238.1 or 238.5 and could compare to TGT293.2 or PT57A/E? Are they available in Graphene XT paintjob?

I guess TGT293.1 and TGT293.2 should have the same feel – only different string pattern, so I have the idea of how it plays very soon.

 

[Songs For A Dead Pilot]

I have TGT291.2 in graphene XT paint job and like it a lot. 335g/320mm strung with overgrip and dampener. Strung RA60. Good control, good spin. It has some lead at 12 and silicone in the handle. I like the feel of PT57A and iPrestige better, but TGT is more fun to play with and 16x19 suits my game style better. It’s livelier and more dynamic. The only thing I don’t like about this frame is thicker beam.
And by the way , retail graphene xt s feels like cr*p compared to 291.2.

When it comes to the feel of HEAD retail stock – YT IG wasn't that bad (after playing a few days with PT57A – I still think stiffer racquets are better for slice backhand). So I am not worried about the feel of TGT293 or TGT291 and I've decided to buy the racquets you recommend!

 

[Songs For A Dead Pilot]

I have TGT291.2 in graphene XT paint job and like it a lot. 335g/320mm strung with overgrip and dampener. Strung RA60. Good control, good spin. It has some lead at 12 and silicone in the handle. I like the feel of PT57A and iPrestige better, but TGT is more fun to play with and 16x19 suits my game style better.

After playing some hours with TGT291.2 I must admit the racquet is a nice option between great PT57A feeling and the crispness of TGT293.1-2.
I would even say that it is really close to PT57A feel but with a denser 16x19 pattern.

As I just did some photos of my racquets, please find 350g static weight PT57E – strung with Wilson NXT17 and Luxilon AluPower.

Spoiler: HEAD PT57E (Graphene Prestige MP)

 

[Songs For A Dead Pilot]

I find the PT57A more powerful than the 293.2

VsBabolat – I remember you mentioned in other thread that TGK/TGT293.1-2 feels for you like retial YT IG Prestige MP – am I right?

If so I can say that for me pro–stock 293.1 and IG Prestige MP are really close in feel and touch. Of course prostock
feels is a bit flexier, but the key thing is that is much more powerful and you still can have IG Prestige MP precision
with 325-335g strung racquet (however plow-through is not the same).

 

[rafa_prestige89]

Do you guys think the PT57e is better than TGT 293.2?

 

[Songs For A Dead Pilot]

It has better feel/touch and it's stiff enough it you need a little more forgiveness than let's say PT57A. But it's more expensive.

 

[H22 fan]

After playing some hours with TGT291.2 I must admit the racquet is a nice option between great PT57A feeling and the crispness of TGT293.1-2.
I would even say that it is really close to PT57A feel but with a denser 16x19 pattern.

As I just did some photos of my racquets, please find 350g static weight PT57E – strung with Wilson NXT17 and Luxilon AluPower.

Spoiler: HEAD PT57E (Graphene Prestige MP)

Is that one on sale on SF?
Why would you buy it and then sell it even without playing it?!

 

[Songs For A Dead Pilot]

I had a chance to hit with other PT57E before I've got mine and once it came I've decided to focus on a couple of PT57A and bunch of TGT291.2's I've bought recently.
I still own also TGT293.1 and TGT293. I've played for years with retail Innegra racquets hence I quite like the stiffer feel they have.

 

[vsbabolat]

VsBabolat – I remember you mentioned in other thread that TGK/TGT293.1-2 feels for you like retial YT IG Prestige MP – am I right?

If so I can say that for me pro–stock 293.1 and IG Prestige MP are really close in feel and touch. Of course prostock
feels is a bit flexier, but the key thing is that is much more powerful and you still can have IG Prestige MP precision
with 325-335g strung racquet (however plow-through is not the same).

Yes, the TGT293.2 is the IG Prestige MP.

 

[Songs For A Dead Pilot]

So one month later I became a fan of TGT291.2. Bought six of them and it is my main stick along with Tec315 which I use when I want 18x20 string pattern. It is really a pleasure to play with this stick. Very powerful and spin-friendly but still with great touch (despite 22mm beam) and nice low flex.

Have any of you played with TGT312.1? It seems this can be quite similar racquet to TGT291.2 (around 59-60RA strung, 16x19)? Is this one a real 93" head size or 90" like old Prestige Mids?

I bought also TGK231.1 – but still awaiting the package from Netherlands. I have one retail Microgel Radical MP, so I could easily compare them as well as I did with TGT293.2 – which was close to retail IG Prestige MP, but not exactly the same (more powerful but a bit stiffer – however silicone can easily compensate vibrations from higher stiffness). Some people claimed that despite the 57RA of retail version (right now TT offers stiffer one – 62RA) that feel/touch of retail frame is pretty hollow. It would be good to find out – one thing I can say for sure – 57RA of Microgel Radical MP feels really bad in comparison to the feel of PT57A.

Try to find the 231.3, really nice frame

Do you know how stiff is 231.3? Is it the same as 231.2 (stiffer one) or just 231.1 with 16x19 pattern?

PS.
I have two of PT57A's, but will be playing more with them later this year. They feel great – however they do demend much better fitness and footwork. I still need to decide with setup is better for me – 335g (with dampener and overgrip, resigned from leather grip) or 348g. Due to the leightweight of PT57A hairpin - they both are quite polarized.

 

[Songs For A Dead Pilot]

I have tgk 238.5, 238.1 and 260.5.

I was just wondering if all TGK 238 frames share similar feeling? Are they similar to PT57E or 293? Some help would be welcomed.

Also I couldn't find too much info about the differences between frames from TGK 260 mould. Just realized that 260.1 and 260.2 come only in Youtek Radical MP paintjob and seems more flexible from IG ones (58RA vs 60-62RA). Youtek Radicals haven't had good reviews, so I am bit afraid to try them without asking first. However prostock can be quite another pair of shoes.

Does anybody have any idea how these play in comparison to 260.3? Also if the feel/touch is similar to Youtek/IG retail versions of the frames?

And the last one – 260.5 – this one comes in all new paintjobs (Graphene/Graphene XT). Are this one just 260.3 with 16x19?

Thanks in advance for any feedback! Hope this thread helps some other prostock neophytes in the future as well.

 

[Subaruvich]

Have any of you played with TGT312.1?

I played with 312.1 and it was pretty good, it had power and spin. Serving was easy. Nice flex 61RA unstrung, 58RA strung. Very polarized racquet, which I didn’t like. Stability was an issue. Tried to add lead here and there and it played the best with lots of lead in the V throat. The head is more 93”.
Don’t try the retail rev pro, that’s a cr*p.


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[H22 fan]

Do you know how stiff is 231.3? Is it the same as 231.2 (stiffer one) or just 231.1 with 16x19 pattern?

I am not judging the frames due to stiffness, there are more important things to look for, I belive somewhere in high 50’s to low 60’s.

 

[haegger]

@Songs For A Dead Pilot - Man, i love you nickname!!! How did you create this nickname?

 

[hotasice]

I was just wondering if all TGK 238 frames share similar feeling? Are they similar to PT57E or 293? Some help would be welcomed.

Also I couldn't find too much info about the differences between frames from TGK 260 mould. Just realized that 260.1 and 260.2 come only in Youtek Radical MP paintjob and seems more flexible from IG ones (58RA vs 60-62RA). Youtek Radicals haven't had good reviews, so I am bit afraid to try them without asking first. However prostock can be quite another pair of shoes.

Does anybody have any idea how these play in comparison to 260.3? Also if the feel/touch is similar to Youtek/IG retail versions of the frames?

And the last one – 260.5 – this one comes in all new paintjobs (Graphene/Graphene XT). Are this one just 260.3 with 16x19?

Thanks in advance for any feedback! Hope this thread helps some other prostock neophytes in the future as well.

I would say my 238's feel similar in that they all have the same super stable, plush muted feel. The 238.5 is 16x19 so i can generate more spin vs the 238.1

I have hit with the YT rad pro retail version and it is nothing like the 260.5. The retail version feels cheap and tinny compared to the 260.5 which had a very solid stable crisp feel on impact. Tons of free power with the 260.5-----real fun frame to hit with.

I haven't hit with the pt57e but I have the retail i.prest MP which some around here say is pt57e mould. Mine are weighted up to 354g static weight, 8 PTs HL. When I'm on my game and moving well and hitting relaxed my iprest mp's deliver a huge spinny ball off of a nice crisp pulverizingly stable feel at impact.

 

[prestigeww]

This thread has me thinking about picking up some TGT 291.2's. I played the TGT293.1's for a while, but i felt they needed to be ~360+ g to get solid stability. I then switched over to TGT292.1's which were lovely. Don't know why I got rid of them.

Prior to all of this, I had 2 MIC PT630's but with full caps, strung and OG, they were like 373g which is a little unwieldy for me.

 

[Songs For A Dead Pilot]

I played with 312.1 and it was pretty good, it had power and spin. Serving was easy. Nice flex 61RA unstrung, 58RA strung. Very polarized racquet, which I didn’t like. Stability was an issue. Tried to add lead here and there and it played the best with lots of lead in the V throat. The head is more 93”. Don’t try the retail rev pro, that’s a cr*p.

Just bought two TGT 312.1 a few days ago and had them customised for me. They were 305g unstrung with Head Finest Calfskin grip and no lead. I removed leather grip (changed for Hydrosorb Pro) and put 10g of silicon in the handle. From this point I will be putting lead – started from 3g on 12, and 4g on 9/3. The next option to try out will be 5g on 12. My first impression is that the feel of these modern mid is somewhere in between PT57A and TGT291.2. I will try to write something more after 2-3 weeks of playing with them.

 

[Songs For A Dead Pilot]

Do you know how stiff is 231.3? Is it the same as 231.2 (stiffer one) or just 231.1 with 16x19 pattern?
I am not judging the frames due to stiffness, there are more important things to look for, I belive somewhere in high 50’s to low 60’s.

Sure, stiffness isn't everything. However I do prefer to avoid stiff frames (above 65RA). I was just asking how similar are the rackets from one group of TGT/TGK codes (231, 260, 238). So how similar in feel/touch/power is 231.3 to 231.1 which I have (by the way – great racket, as flex as PT57A, with even easier access to power and good control).

I've recently played with 260.1 (YouTek Radical MP mold) and it would be interesting thing to hear how are they in comparison to 260.3 (IG MP) or 260.5 or to retail rackets.
I guess the main point of this threat is to exchange the knowledge about available HEAD prostock rackets – without necessarily buying them.

 

[Songs For A Dead Pilot]

This thread has me thinking about picking up some TGT 291.2's. I played the TGT293.1's for a while, but i felt they needed to be ~360+ g to get solid stability. I then switched over to TGT292.1's which were lovely. Don't know why I got rid of them. Prior to all of this, I had 2 MIC PT630's but with full caps, strung and OG, they were like 373g which is a little unwieldy for me.

I do recommend trying out TGT291.2's! I am really happy about Subaruvich for sharing his experience.

I guess even if they are 335-337g of total weight (including 10g for tennis dampener and my favorite Gamma Supreme G overgrip) – they have a lot of power, stability and control. The feel and touch is really great. The only thing I miss I have with my IG Prestige MP/Mids is more offensive and precise backhand slice (I guess due to 18x20 and thinner beam). I think that was the main reason behind buying 93's – 312.1 (the head size isn't really much smaller, but in my opinion the string pattern is denser and the beam isn't 22mm thick).

 

[Songs For A Dead Pilot]

Yes, the TGT293.2 is the IG Prestige MP.

I've just found some more time to read slowly back all great threads on this forum – there's a lot of useful information – but sometimes it is simple better to ask instead of spending hours looking through all postings. So I was just wondering if you VsBabolat had a chance to try out Head TGT292.1 (IG Prestige Mid pro stock) and compare it to retail version you were so positive some time ago? This prostock is available in many different layups – I mean with at least different stiffness – from 58RA (in YT IG paintjob) to most recent paintjobes (Graphene XT Prestige Mid) and measured stiffness around 64RA. Also the new Graphene Touch Prestige Mid prostocks were measured around 67RA unstrung – which should be around 64RA strung as above.

I know that with IG Prestige MP and its prostock incarnations – TGT293.1 (16x20) and TGT293.2 (18x20) there's no point to get pro stock (only if you prefer other paintjobes) – I prefer the retail stock – however the difference is really small and mainly due to the use of silicone.

Maybe anyone had a chance to compare IG Prestige Mid to TGT292.1 and can share his/her thoughts?

After one hour hitting with TGT312.1 – I would say at this point – I prefer IG Mids over them. It is hard to find them – but somehow prostock is easier to get (!) but it is 100-150% more expensive.

It would be great to have your thoughts.

PS.
Prostock IG Prestige Mid as Graphene XT Prestige Mid (even paint job unavailable in stores).

 

[vsbabolat]

I've just found some more time to read slowly back all great threads on this forum – there's a lot of useful information – but sometimes it is simple better to ask instead of spending hours looking through all postings. So I was just wondering if you VsBabolat had a chance to try out Head TGT292.1 (IG Prestige Mid pro stock) and compare it to retail version you were so positive some time ago? This prostock is available in many different layups – I mean with at least different stiffness – from 58RA (in YT IG paintjob) to most recent paintjobes (Graphene XT Prestige Mid) and measured stiffness around 64RA. Also the new Graphene Touch Prestige Mid prostocks were measured around 67RA unstrung – which should be around 64RA strung as above.

I know that with IG Prestige MP and its prostock incarnations – TGT293.1 (16x20) and TGT293.2 (18x20) there's no point to get pro stock (only if you prefer other paintjobes) – I prefer the retail stock – however the difference is really small and mainly due to the use of silicone.

Maybe anyone had a chance to compare IG Prestige Mid to TGT292.1 and can share his/her thoughts?

After one hour hitting with TGT312.1 – I would say at this point – I prefer IG Mids over them. It is hard to find them – but somehow prostock is easier to get (!) but it is 100-150% more expensive.

It would be great to have your thoughts.

PS.
Prostock IG Prestige Mid as Graphene XT Prestige Mid (even paint job unavailable in stores).

Yes, I have TGT292.1in IG Prestige Mid paint and Graphene XT Prestige paint. They are identical. TGT292.1 is the code for IG Prestige Mid and if there was a different layup to make it stiffer for that mold it would have a different code, it would be as an example TGT292.2. But that doesn't exist.

 

[Songs For A Dead Pilot]

Yes, I have TGT292.1in IG Prestige Mid paint and Graphene XT Prestige paint. They are identical. TGT292.1 is the code for IG Prestige Mid and if there was a different layup to make it stiffer for that mold it would have a different code, it would be as an example TGT292.2. But that doesn't exist.

I am a bit confused...

Yes, I know 292.1 is IG Prestige Mid code – however it is not so obvious – at least not for me – how HEAD uses the codes. Let's say 231.1 is the code for Microgel Radical MP – but prostock with such code and retail Microgel MP are really different frames. I have them both. So for sure they need to have a different layup – the difference cannot be just silicone.

Let's take other frame – TGT291.2 – it is different layup from most recent Prestige S (Graphene, Graphene XT) – maybe it isn't so distant from YT IG Prestige S – but they have two differents 16x19 string patterns (TGT291.2 has the same as in IG Prestige Pro - much denser).

Also as far as I've realised YouTek prostock frames TGK238.4 and TGK238.5 are different from their retail editions. Much flexier, so the layup needs to be different. Or it is the same but to make the retail frames heavier and ready–to–use HEAD adds some extra materials which make them siffer at the same time?

I've just bought 260.3 frames – IG Radical MP. I've spent years playing retail IG Radical MP frames – to I will a chance to compare them. Maybe 260.3 are identical to IG Radical MP retail frames – the same way 293.2 is the same as IG Prestige MP?

And one last thing – which I probably should check out before posting this reply – does all HEAD retail stock have production codes?

 

[Songs For A Dead Pilot]

Yes, I have TGT292.1in IG Prestige Mid paint and Graphene XT Prestige paint. They are identical. TGT292.1 is the code for IG Prestige Mid and if there was a different layup to make it stiffer for that mold it would have a different code, it would be as an example TGT292.2. But that doesn't exist.

And one last thing – they are available TGT292.1 frames online with different stiffness (measured on RDC) – new ones in IG paintjob with 58RA – but all Graphene XT Mids comes around 64RA. The explanation I received is that they can come with a bit different layups (the same way PT57E can have different stiffness). Hence my confusion.

 

[vsbabolat]

And one last thing – they are available TGT292.1 frames online with different stiffness (measured on RDC) – new ones in IG paintjob with 58RA – but all Graphene XT Mids comes around 64RA. The explanation I received is that they can come with a bit different layups (the same way PT57E can have different stiffness). Hence my confusion.

The the 292.1does not have different layups. You can choose to believe what you want. There is variances from racquets to racquet. Thats why TW takes the average. The PT57E has one layup.

 

[vsbabolat]

I am a bit confused...

Yes, I know 292.1 is IG Prestige Mid code – however it is not so obvious – at least not for me – how HEAD uses the codes. Let's say 231.1 is the code for Microgel Radical MP – but prostock with such code and retail Microgel MP are really different frames. I have them both. So for sure they need to have a different layup – the difference cannot be just silicone.

Let's take other frame – TGT291.2 – it is different layup from most recent Prestige S (Graphene, Graphene XT) – maybe it isn't so distant from YT IG Prestige S – but they have two differents 16x19 string patterns (TGT291.2 has the same as in IG Prestige Pro - much denser).

Also as far as I've realised YouTek prostock frames TGK238.4 and TGK238.5 are different from their retail editions. Much flexier, so the layup needs to be different. Or it is the same but to make the retail frames heavier and ready–to–use HEAD adds some extra materials which make them siffer at the same time?

I've just bought 260.3 frames – IG Radical MP. I've spent years playing retail IG Radical MP frames – to I will a chance to compare them. Maybe 260.3 are identical to IG Radical MP retail frames – the same way 293.2 is the same as IG Prestige MP?

And one last thing – which I probably should check out before posting this reply – does all HEAD retail stock have production codes?

You seem to be telling me and answering your own questions. I'm sorry we have a disagreement.

 

[Songs For A Dead Pilot]

The the 292.1does not have different layups. You can choose to believe what you want. There is variances from racquets to racquet. Thats why TW takes the average. The PT57E has one layup.

I definitely prefer to ask on this forum rather to believe one seller! I assumed that there can be variances from racquets to racquet. Good to know things are easier than more complicated

 

[Songs For A Dead Pilot]

You seem to be telling me and answering your own questions. I'm sorry we have a disagreement.

It is hard to be in a disagreement if I have mostly questions and little knowledge. I would prefer the production codes were connected with the feel of retail frames. It would be much easier. Just trying to find out more about prostock and retail frames.

It is late over here, but I will try to put tomorrow my questions more simple and general. Many thanks for any feedback VsBabolat.

 

[FlightDeck]

The PT57E has one layup.

What is the difference between PT57E2 and PT57E3 ?

 

[RobFL]

The most intriguing post on this thread to me is by H22 Fan saying the H22 at 335 grams plays like a heavier swing weight frame. That could be a game changer as I too have needed to be in the 340-355g range and 335+ SW to hold up against 5.0 senior players.
Recently bought a few Prince pro stocks that came out of one of their pro rooms, which was my first experience with pro stock and they are better, no question. And Prince had a lot of pro stock combinations of weight/stiffness/length that never were sold retail. Very interesting frames.
I recently went way back in time, now playing with an nCode 6.1 95 16x18, plus a little lead at 10 & 2, which has a special feel. Nothing retail from Wilson lately comes close imho so I might have to fork out more $ for an H22 and see if there's any magic there.
What is the pro stock source "SF" H22 Fan mentions? I'm not familiar with that. The guy in NL is the only one I'm aware of.
I agree Head has the biggest delta between retail and pro stock, would like to try some of their pro stock frames but its a lot of cash to fork out if you just want to test a few out.

 

[H22 fan]

The most intriguing post on this thread to me is by H22 Fan saying the H22 at 335 grams plays like a heavier swing weight frame. That could be a game changer as I too have needed to be in the 340-355g range and 335+ SW to hold up against 5.0 senior players.
Recently bought a few Prince pro stocks that came out of one of their pro rooms, which was my first experience with pro stock and they are better, no question. And Prince had a lot of pro stock combinations of weight/stiffness/length that never were sold retail. Very interesting frames.
I recently went way back in time, now playing with an nCode 6.1 95 16x18, plus a little lead at 10 & 2, which has a special feel. Nothing retail from Wilson lately comes close imho so I might have to fork out more $ for an H22 and see if there's any magic there.
What is the pro stock source "SF" H22 Fan mentions? I'm not familiar with that. The guy in NL is the only one I'm aware of.
I agree Head has the biggest delta between retail and pro stock, would like to try some of their pro stock frames but its a lot of cash to fork out if you just want to test a few out.

The H22’s have a more HH balance and they are foam filled (at least mine), most of them do not lead under grommet. They come in different lay-ups,I observed that the lighter ones are more flexible (at least mine). Before H22 I was trying different Head pro-stocks, but I did not like them much, first they were coming coustomized with a lot of silicone in the handle and lead under grommets, not easy to modify them to my liking.
The best source for H22’s is in US (for new ones, as I like to buy them new and uncoustomized), but I can not post it here.

 

[Songs For A Dead Pilot]

The most intriguing post on this thread to me is by H22 Fan saying the H22 at 335 grams plays like a heavier swing weight frame.

I do think also PT57E at lower weight could do its job as well. Also you can try out some prostock Radicals – they also have great control due to 95" head size and 21.5-22mm beam make them more powerful than prostock Prestige frames. However I have one 331g PT57A (with Gamma overgrip) – and I think this is still powerful, control-oriented and comfortable to use frame.

 

[Songs For A Dead Pilot]

The the 292.1does not have different layups. You can choose to believe what you want. There is variances from racquets to racquet. Thats why TW takes the average. The PT57E has one layup.

Honestly I have only to ways to find out that – I can try out these prostock frames on my own or just base my knowledge on what more experienced people advise, so I do appreciate your comments. Good to know that! So if TGT292.1 are the same layup as IG Prestige Mid - they are on my wish list. I have played TGT312.1 and despite the lower stiffness, a bit easier (bigger) head size and quite nice string pattern (16x19) – aren't even close to the joy I find in playing IG Prestige Mid.

 

[Songs For A Dead Pilot]

I can also share my thoughts about TGT260.3. In my opinion they are really very close to the feel of retail IG Radical MP. I put Head Finest Calfskin on both, added some small lead (3-4g) to retail (prostock had already small amounts of silicone) – they had 330g static weight with everything on them. As I do prefer to add some extra silicone and resign from leather grip – I will test them next time that way.

Haven't never played with YouTek Radical MP – but at least TGT260.1 which I have a chance to test aren't very distant from IG Radical MP (prostock Microgel Radical MP – TGK231.1 is really different frame). Anyway – from both 260's I tested I liked more 260.1 – much better feel.

 

[H22 fan]

I can also share my thoughts about TGT260.3. In my opinion they are really very close to the feel of retail IG Radical MP. I put Head Finest Calfskin on both, added some small lead (3-4g) to retail (prostock had already small amounts of silicone) – they had 330g static weight with everything on them. As I do prefer to add some extra silicone and resign from leather grip – I will test them next time that way.

Haven't never played with YouTek Radical MP – but at least TGT260.1 which I have a chance to test aren't very distant from IG Radical MP (prostock Microgel Radical MP – TGK231.1 is really different frame). Anyway – from both 260's I tested I liked more 260.1 – much better feel.

How do you compare the 231’s with 260’s? I like the 231.3, but I am enjoing more the h22’s, they are more stable at impact, more HH, mutted feel.
There is one 260.x on SF, in Graphene pj that I am thinking about, as I never tried any 260’s.

 

[Songs For A Dead Pilot]

How do you compare the 231’s with 260’s? I like the 231.3, but I am enjoing more the h22’s, they are more stable at impact, more HH, mutted feel.
There is one 260.x on SF, in Graphene pj that I am thinking about, as I never tried any 260’s.

I think I still need 2-3 weeks to play with different specs of both prostock Radicals (260.1/260.3/231.1) – however I can say that the feel of 231.1 is much much better in comparison to 260.3/260.1. Also the Microgel prostock seems more powerful. I would say that the control is similar due to the same head size (95") and string pattern (18x20). I know that you like the stable feel of Wilson's H22 – I think also in this field 231 seems superior. But please consider that I try to customize the frames to static weight around 335-337g. I guess they are more stable when they have higher weight.

 

[H22 fan]

I think I still need 2-3 weeks to play with different specs of both prostock Radicals (260.1/260.3/231.1) – however I can say that the feel of 231.1 is much much better in comparison to 260.3/260.1. Also the Microgel prostock seems more powerful. I would say that the control is similar due to the same head size (95") and string pattern (18x20). I know that you like the stable feel of Wilson's H22 – I think also in this field 231 seems superior. But please consider that I try to customize the frames to static weight around 335-337g. I guess they are more stable when they have higher weight.

Thanks for your view! I am also using a static weight starting from 330 grams on a pair of H22’s and going to 342 on the heaviest pair. The 231.3 has 333 grams but lots of lead under bumper guard and at 3-9. It’s almost like continous lead tape from 4 to 8 to have similar feel to H22.