That ol' Black Magic...

Rabbit

G.O.A.T.
I bought some of the 17 gauge after reading how well liked it was. I strung a frame up and played yesterday with it.

Stringing
I have never strung a poly which strings as easily a Genesis Black Magic. True to a poly, it doesn't stretch much at all. I strung this using my Wise at 49 pounds in a full bed. Crosses were almost PSG-like to weave. A very easy string to work with.

Playing
Black Magic has an almost plush feel to it. I found pocketing was exceptionally good with this string. Every ball hit had a solid feel. Around the net, Black Magic availed itself very well providing great touch and feel, certainly more than some more expensive polys. Off the ground it just plain felt solid. I was able to swing out and sping production was average to slightly above average. You don't get a really spinny feel from this string, but you can produce spin nonetheless. Power was probably average for a poly. Control was up there with any poly I've played with.

Overall, especially when considering the price, Black Magic is a great string and well worth $85 for a reel. I'd highly recommend it to anyone looking for a reasonably priced poly.
 

drakulie

Talk Tennis Guru
Thanks for the review, Rabbit. You pretty much nailed my thoughts on the string. I like the pocketing, and overall feel of the string when making contact with the ball.

Very solid string, and as you said, at the price, a great value.
 

rcole

New User
Comparing black magic to typhoon

I tried black magic last week. Strung full bed at 50 lbs in a pacific xforce frame. I have genesis typhoon silver in my other xforce frame. I have tried lots of polys over the last 12 months and typhoon has become my favorite.

I enjoy play testing strings and thought I would try black magic. My comparison is simply between bm and typhoon and two hours (3 sets) of singles indoors on a rubber surface.

Ive been playing 45 years (I'm 54), played hs & college tennis and tried my luck on the satellite circuit in the early 80s. I had a flat classic game but that has changed since switching to a lighter frame and poly strings.

Compared to typhoon, bm felt stiffer, crisper and had less feel. The ball had less pocketing and came off the stringers fast. Bm felt good on flat ground strokes but not as good on topspin forehands or inside out groundies.

I had confidence with bm but not the same swing out and watch the ball drop off a cliff at the baseline.

Serving was ok. Again, stiffer and crisper than typhoon. I liked bm and found it better than many of the other ploys I have tried but I Am in love with typhoon.

I think there are great nuances among all the ploys and the trick is to find the best fit with swingspeed. Typhoon is just plain let's me swing out with confidence and creativity. Haven't found that with any other strings yet.

I did try turn a big hitter blue rough yesterday. I read the review on RSI and felt it was worth a try. Didn't find it worked with my game. Playing as I do with typhoon balls were flying out by 6-12 inches. Couldn't find my range unless I took something off my swing. Was down 2-4 in the first set the bhbr, switched back to typhoon and won the set 6-4.

Between the three I would rate typhoon, black majic, big hitter blue rough, 1-2-3.

I'm pretty much sticking with typhoon. Its the only string I've bought in a reel. I am receiving the new genesis tri-blade string this week and will string it up and compare it to typhoon when I play again on Saturday.
 

[d]ragon

Hall of Fame
Thanks for the feedback Rabbit. Let us know how the tension holds up. Have you tried Cyberflash or Typhoon?
 

bad_call

Legend
I tried black magic last week. Strung full bed at 50 lbs in a pacific xforce frame. I have genesis typhoon silver in my other xforce frame. I have tried lots of polys over the last 12 months and typhoon has become my favorite.

I enjoy play testing strings and thought I would try black magic. My comparison is simply between bm and typhoon and two hours (3 sets) of singles indoors on a rubber surface.

Ive been playing 45 years (I'm 54), played hs & college tennis and tried my luck on the satellite circuit in the early 80s. I had a flat classic game but that has changed since switching to a lighter frame and poly strings.

Compared to typhoon, bm felt stiffer, crisper and had less feel. The ball had less pocketing and came off the stringers fast. Bm felt good on flat ground strokes but not as good on topspin forehands or inside out groundies.

I had confidence with bm but not the same swing out and watch the ball drop off a cliff at the baseline.

Serving was ok. Again, stiffer and crisper than typhoon. I liked bm and found it better than many of the other ploys I have tried but I Am in love with typhoon.

I think there are great nuances among all the ploys and the trick is to find the best fit with swingspeed. Typhoon is just plain let's me swing out with confidence and creativity. Haven't found that with any other strings yet.

I did try turn a big hitter blue rough yesterday. I read the review on RSI and felt it was worth a try. Didn't find it worked with my game. Playing as I do with typhoon balls were flying out by 6-12 inches. Couldn't find my range unless I took something off my swing. Was down 2-4 in the first set the bhbr, switched back to typhoon and won the set 6-4.

Between the three I would rate typhoon, black majic, big hitter blue rough, 1-2-3.

I'm pretty much sticking with typhoon. Its the only string I've bought in a reel. I am receiving the new genesis tri-blade string this week and will string it up and compare it to typhoon when I play again on Saturday.
what tension for typhoon and bhbr? i couldn't get the ball pocketing with typhoon so that was the deal breaker for this player.
 

Fedace

Banned
I bought some of the 17 gauge after reading how well liked it was. I strung a frame up and played yesterday with it.

Stringing
I have never strung a poly which strings as easily a Genesis Black Magic. True to a poly, it doesn't stretch much at all. I strung this using my Wise at 49 pounds in a full bed. Crosses were almost PSG-like to weave. A very easy string to work with.

Playing
Black Magic has an almost plush feel to it. I found pocketing was exceptionally good with this string. Every ball hit had a solid feel. Around the net, Black Magic availed itself very well providing great touch and feel, certainly more than some more expensive polys. Off the ground it just plain felt solid. I was able to swing out and sping production was average to slightly above average. You don't get a really spinny feel from this string, but you can produce spin nonetheless. Power was probably average for a poly. Control was up there with any poly I've played with.

Overall, especially when considering the price, Black Magic is a great string and well worth $85 for a reel. I'd highly recommend it to anyone looking for a reasonably priced poly.
Would you say this is better than RPM blast in power and spin ?
 

rcole

New User
what tension for typhoon and bhbr? i couldn't get the ball pocketing with typhoon so that was the deal breaker for this player.

i strung both the typhoon and the bhbr at 50 lbs on a dropweight machine. I love the combination of typhoon in the pacific xforce.
 

Rabbit

G.O.A.T.
Thanks for the review, Rabbit. You pretty much nailed my thoughts on the string. I like the pocketing, and overall feel of the string when making contact with the ball.

Very solid string, and as you said, at the price, a great value.
Absolutely, and thank you for the heads up on this string.

[d]ragon;5418954 said:
Thanks for the feedback Rabbit. Let us know how the tension holds up. Have you tried Cyberflash or Typhoon?
I've tried neither. Drakulie was so positive on this string that I bought some.

Would you say this is better than RPM blast in power and spin ?
I think Black Magic is so far the equal of RPM in all respects. It feels more solid IMO than RPM though, plusher and pockets better. I don't see a downside to Black Magic thus far.

Hit again today, and found Black Magic just as friendly. It is also easy, easy, easy on the arm.

***I did give up on the SW forehand business. It's just not for me. I went out today and was hitting with a regular partner. He commented without prompting that when I hit with less spin my shots pierce the court better. That was the forehand only. I haven't changed my backhand. :)
 

rodrigoamaral

Hall of Fame
I bought some of the 17 gauge after reading how well liked it was. I strung a frame up and played yesterday with it.

Stringing
I have never strung a poly which strings as easily a Genesis Black Magic. True to a poly, it doesn't stretch much at all. I strung this using my Wise at 49 pounds in a full bed. Crosses were almost PSG-like to weave. A very easy string to work with.

Playing
Black Magic has an almost plush feel to it. I found pocketing was exceptionally good with this string. Every ball hit had a solid feel. Around the net, Black Magic availed itself very well providing great touch and feel, certainly more than some more expensive polys. Off the ground it just plain felt solid. I was able to swing out and sping production was average to slightly above average. You don't get a really spinny feel from this string, but you can produce spin nonetheless. Power was probably average for a poly. Control was up there with any poly I've played with.

Overall, especially when considering the price, Black Magic is a great string and well worth $85 for a reel. I'd highly recommend it to anyone looking for a reasonably priced poly.
Very nice review.. I agree with you that this a great string and one that is an excellent value..
 

Fedace

Banned
Absolutely, and thank you for the heads up on this string.

I think Black Magic is so far the equal of RPM in all respects. It feels more solid IMO than RPM though, plusher and pockets better. I don't see a downside to Black Magic thus far.

***I did give up on the SW forehand business. It's just not for me. I went out today and was hitting with a regular partner. He commented without prompting that when I hit with less spin my shots pierce the court better. That was the forehand only. I haven't changed my backhand. :)
You know how RPM was marketed as THE spin string, how it grabs the ball so well, said the guys like Tsonga and Roddick. and i do tend to agree, RPM does grab the ball better than most polys. but do you still feel like Black magic is equal in this department ??
 

dgoran

Hall of Fame
what tension for typhoon and bhbr? i couldn't get the ball pocketing with typhoon so that was the deal breaker for this player.
What tension did you string typhoon at and what color did you try?

Tensioned at 50 with drop weight was very powerful with pocketing and that trademark "grab" that feels like you grabed it with your hand and swung the ball across to the other side.

Unfort. 50 was tad bit too powerful for me since I tend to play close the baseline but with my pt strung with typhoon at 50 I could rally 10 ft behind the baseline w/o any problems to get the ball deep.

Now days I settled on 55 where it has little less pocketing but also less power (perfect amount for me)
 

Murray_fan1

Professional
^^^ Is there a noticeable difference between the gray and blue version of Typhoon? If so what are the differences?
 

bad_call

Legend
What tension did you string typhoon at and what color did you try?

Tensioned at 50 with drop weight was very powerful with pocketing and that trademark "grab" that feels like you grabed it with your hand and swung the ball across to the other side.

Unfort. 50 was tad bit too powerful for me since I tend to play close the baseline but with my pt strung with typhoon at 50 I could rally 10 ft behind the baseline w/o any problems to get the ball deep.

Now days I settled on 55 where it has little less pocketing but also less power (perfect amount for me)
strung the blue version a couple lbs higher than regular setup back then. think it was 54/57 in a hybrid with ogsm crosses in the MG PP. i remember how the ball seemed to launch (no dwell time) off the strings. called the company and talked to A. (i think). said i experienced the ball launch and he replied that is what the string does (made that way). so not a string for this player.
 

neverstopplaying

Professional
How would you say it compares to some of the softer polys that I like such as Cyclone or Black Code? I'm enjoying Cyclone right now in a BB London.

I've got some BM and will probably post a comparison when I try it out.
 

J_aces

Semi-Pro
How would it compare to RPM Blast? (Black Magic or Typhoon) In terms of playing characteristics as I dont need to hear any more about how bad RPM is with tension loss
 

Pwned

Hall of Fame
What tension did you string typhoon at and what color did you try?

Tensioned at 50 with drop weight was very powerful with pocketing and that trademark "grab" that feels like you grabed it with your hand and swung the ball across to the other side.

Unfort. 50 was tad bit too powerful for me since I tend to play close the baseline but with my pt strung with typhoon at 50 I could rally 10 ft behind the baseline w/o any problems to get the ball deep.

Now days I settled on 55 where it has little less pocketing but also less power (perfect amount for me)
I agree with the pocketing of Typhoon at 50. Love the feel around there in my 93 and 95 sq in heads.
 

rodrigoamaral

Hall of Fame
How would you say it compares to some of the softer polys that I like such as Cyclone or Black Code? I'm enjoying Cyclone right now in a BB London.

I've got some BM and will probably post a comparison when I try it out.
I think it is similar to Black Code in some areas but performs better IMO as it has more power and pop.. It plays differently than the cyclone so its hard to make a direct comparison there..
 

drummerdan

Semi-Pro
I string a ton of Black Magic and I never have anyone switch away from it. It's great stuff!! Even the Racquetball players are diggin' it.
 

Rabbit

G.O.A.T.
Rabbit, so you've given up on Black Code and going with the Ol' Black Magic?
Yeah, the Black Code is good stuff; soft and comfortable. I may go back to it as I still have a reel, but for right now, I'm kinda digging Black Magic. I will say this though, I got the Black Code at a ridiculous price, 60% off retail ($79). Were I to buy a reel at full retail, it'd be Black Magic over Black Code. I do wish that they made Black Magic in an 18, but I can certainly live with a 17.

I've also got two reels of Pacific XForce 18 that wink at me every time I go into the string closet. ;) I've read good stuff about it as well.
 
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Rabbit

G.O.A.T.
I think Black Magic is so far the equal of RPM in all respects. It feels more solid IMO than RPM though, plusher and pockets better. I don't see a downside to Black Magic thus far.
You know how RPM was marketed as THE spin string, how it grabs the ball so well, said the guys like Tsonga and Roddick. and i do tend to agree, RPM does grab the ball better than most polys. but do you still feel like Black magic is equal in this department ??
Reading comprehension is our friend.
 

Rabbit

G.O.A.T.
What tension are you stringing the Black magic at? This is in the Bab Aero Storm GT?
Yessir, it is. I'm currently using the Wise @ 49 in CP mode. I could go higher, but control & comfort at fine. I am going to string my next one up with an all-gut stringbed.
 

*breaksracquet

Semi-Pro
good review! i'll be looking into this after I get done with Polystar. I'm still looking for a nice soft ploy without a high pricetag. :)
 

mctennis

Legend
Yessir, it is. I'm currently using the Wise @ 49 in CP mode. I could go higher, but control & comfort at fine. I am going to string my next one up with an all-gut stringbed.
That all gut stringbed should play great. I'll be anxious to hear how that plays. Keep us posted rabbit.
 

SoCal10s

Hall of Fame
how do you compare ""black magic "" to ''Typhoon" do you string them in a full bed ? how is it of hybrid with ''blue gear'' I've been using ''blue gear '' for the spin factor .. would using 'black magic'' or ''typhoon'' on a full bed replace the spin I usually get from ''blue gear''.. thanks..
 

bad_call

Legend
how do you compare ""black magic "" to ''Typhoon" do you string them in a full bed ? how is it of hybrid with ''blue gear'' I've been using ''blue gear '' for the spin factor .. would using 'black magic'' or ''typhoon'' on a full bed replace the spin I usually get from ''blue gear''.. thanks..
what tension and in what racquet for the BG? also what gauge of BG?
 

rodrigoamaral

Hall of Fame
Do any of you guys hybrid black magic with another poly or a multi? My friend is interested in trying this but he wants to hybrid it..
 

neverstopplaying

Professional
I played about 7 hours with BM this week - at the end of the match tonight I switched back to my other racquet strung with Cylcone to compare.

I like a soft poly and Cyclone is definitely softer - with a little more pop and suits my game better.

BTW both racquets were strung at 54/51 in BB Londons.
 

gflyer

Professional
I tried black magic last week. Strung full bed at 50 lbs in a pacific xforce frame. I have genesis typhoon silver in my other xforce frame. I have tried lots of polys over the last 12 months and typhoon has become my favorite.

I enjoy play testing strings and thought I would try black magic. My comparison is simply between bm and typhoon and two hours (3 sets) of singles indoors on a rubber surface.

Ive been playing 45 years (I'm 54), played hs & college tennis and tried my luck on the satellite circuit in the early 80s. I had a flat classic game but that has changed since switching to a lighter frame and poly strings.

Compared to typhoon, bm felt stiffer, crisper and had less feel. The ball had less pocketing and came off the stringers fast. Bm felt good on flat ground strokes but not as good on topspin forehands or inside out groundies.

I had confidence with bm but not the same swing out and watch the ball drop off a cliff at the baseline.

Serving was ok. Again, stiffer and crisper than typhoon. I liked bm and found it better than many of the other ploys I have tried but I Am in love with typhoon.

I think there are great nuances among all the ploys and the trick is to find the best fit with swingspeed. Typhoon is just plain let's me swing out with confidence and creativity. Haven't found that with any other strings yet.

I did try turn a big hitter blue rough yesterday. I read the review on RSI and felt it was worth a try. Didn't find it worked with my game. Playing as I do with typhoon balls were flying out by 6-12 inches. Couldn't find my range unless I took something off my swing. Was down 2-4 in the first set the bhbr, switched back to typhoon and won the set 6-4.

Between the three I would rate typhoon, black majic, big hitter blue rough, 1-2-3.

I'm pretty much sticking with typhoon. Its the only string I've bought in a reel. I am receiving the new genesis tri-blade string this week and will string it up and compare it to typhoon when I play again on Saturday.
I agree with you with pretty much everything.
Maybe the only thing I don;t agree with is that BM to me feels not stiffer than typhoon, but the same if not softer.
For the rest of your nice review I agree. Typhoon gives me that same confidence to swing out and have full control of depth and direction of the ball.
SO far is my favorite string.
I should get tri blade as well next week.
cheers.
G
 

Rabbit

G.O.A.T.
That all gut stringbed should play great. I'll be anxious to hear how that plays. Keep us posted rabbit.
As an update, per your request, I have strung up an all gut stringbed. It is sublime in this racquet. As low powered as it is, it just begs for something with more pop to be put in. I am using Classic now, but will probably be getting some more Blue Sprial or maybe (sorry wallet) Prime to put in it.

You were right, it is fantastic.
 

Ross K

Legend
Originally Posted by rcole
I tried black magic last week. Strung full bed at 50 lbs in a pacific xforce frame. I have genesis typhoon silver in my other xforce frame. I have tried lots of polys over the last 12 months and typhoon has become my favorite.

I enjoy play testing strings and thought I would try black magic. My comparison is simply between bm and typhoon and two hours (3 sets) of singles indoors on a rubber surface.

Ive been playing 45 years (I'm 54), played hs & college tennis and tried my luck on the satellite circuit in the early 80s. I had a flat classic game but that has changed since switching to a lighter frame and poly strings.

Compared to typhoon, bm felt stiffer, crisper and had less feel. The ball had less pocketing and came off the stringers fast. Bm felt good on flat ground strokes but not as good on topspin forehands or inside out groundies.

I had confidence with bm but not the same swing out and watch the ball drop off a cliff at the baseline.

Serving was ok. Again, stiffer and crisper than typhoon. I liked bm and found it better than many of the other ploys I have tried but I Am in love with typhoon.

I think there are great nuances among all the ploys and the trick is to find the best fit with swingspeed. Typhoon is just plain let's me swing out with confidence and creativity. Haven't found that with any other strings yet.

I did try turn a big hitter blue rough yesterday. I read the review on RSI and felt it was worth a try. Didn't find it worked with my game. Playing as I do with typhoon balls were flying out by 6-12 inches. Couldn't find my range unless I took something off my swing. Was down 2-4 in the first set the bhbr, switched back to typhoon and won the set 6-4.

Between the three I would rate typhoon, black majic, big hitter blue rough, 1-2-3.

I'm pretty much sticking with typhoon. Its the only string I've bought in a reel. I am receiving the new genesis tri-blade string this week and will string it up and compare it to typhoon when I play again on Saturday.
rcole,

Very engaged by your post and would be very interested to hear your thoughts and ask a few qsns re Typhoon and other polys you may have experience of. If so inclined, please post here:

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=367032&page=8


Rabbit,

Sorry, didn't mean to thread-jack... actually, a qsn for you, if I may.. which do you think is the most topspinny out of Black Code, Black Magic and XForce?

Cheers

R.
 

dr325i

G.O.A.T.
To me, the BM was a favorite string for some time, however, it was TOO soft. I switched to the Sonic Pro -- similar to the BM, just crisper feel.
 

Rabbit

G.O.A.T.
Rabbit,

Sorry, didn't mean to thread-jack... actually, a qsn for you, if I may.. which do you think is the most topspinny out of Black Code, Black Magic and XForce?

Cheers

R.
Her Ross,

No worries, mate. I'd have to reserve judgement on the XForce as I have not strung it up in a full bed yet. Between Black Code and Black Magic, I'd probably say Black Magic.
 

SoCal10s

Hall of Fame
which gauge is better ? the Black Magic comes in 129mm and 123mm ?? right what's the difference in playability ,feel ,spin,pocketing ??
 

Rabbit

G.O.A.T.
I purchased a reel of the 1.23. Drakulie might be able to provide some scoop on this as he is the GBM guru it seems.
 

mel

Rookie
I've been using BM 17 pretty much exclusively for months now after tweaking my shoulder and wanting to use a more comfortable setup without giving up all the things I love about polys. I came from using full-bed Tour Bite 17 and Typhoon 17 and dabbled in some ALU Rough when I was feeling particularly saucy, but felt them all to be harsher on the arm compared to BM. I also tried Spin-X and thought it was horribly mushy with no liveliness at all.

BM 17 in a full-bed strung in a YTPP at 56-60lbs is great on feel and feedback with enough comfort for my ailing shoulder. Power and spin is good enough and even if I were 100%, I'd probably tension up on it a bit more and still give it a go. Even when tension drops, BM holds its properties well without fear of overcooking the ball when the string is on its last leg. But as far as comfort and feel with good access to power and spin, it's hard for me to find a comparable 3rd generation co-poly that can outdo BM right now.

BC 17 and RPM Blast 17 were decent hits but both went south quicker than BM over time, particularly the RPM which was even too soft and mushy for me from the start. I would probably prefer BC 17 over BM 17 because of slightly better playability and performance for me if cost were not a factor. But for just $85 a reel, BM is a no brainer.

After taking my current break to rest the shoulder and concentrate on PT, I'm gonna give some others a go like Dunlop Black Widow and Lux Savage to see how they compare. But I can pretty much count on BM 17 being a string I'll keep in my arsenal for a long time coming.
 

JTathlete

Rookie
for the ones that tried both the 16 and 17 gauge, how much more durable was the 16 gauge over the 17 gauge?

thanks in advance..
 
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