The 2009 ATP Bagel and Breadstick Report

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I'm trying to assemble a system that issues points for bagels and breadsticks. I'm going to need some help keeping track of them being handed out as well as eaten.

I'm thinking 5pts per bagel, 3 pts per breadstick. We should keep track of the bagels and breadsticks the players ate as well for tie-breaker purposes as well as those just wanting to argue. Maybe even deduct points for eating them, but that will be addressed at another time. I have included bagels and breadsticks that occurred in sets that ended in retirements (i.e. 3-1, 4-0).

This is a small list among the top 15. I could expand it to the top 20, but keeping track is going to be a pain as the year goes on.

EDIT: Now has the top 20 players and their point totals. () denotes net point total of the points served - points gobbled.

As of June 26, 2009: (B is bagel, b is breadstick)
() for net total, red for points leader, blue for net points leader
Bagels, breadsticks served / Bagels, breadsticks eaten
Nadal - 7B, 11b / 1B, 0b = 68pts (63)
Murray - 5B, 12b / 0B, 2b = 61pts (57)
Djokovic - 3B, 13b / 0B, 4b = 54pts (42)
Soderling - 4B, 11b / 1B, 3b = 53pts (39)
Verdasco - 4B, 10b / 0B, 2b = 50pts (44)
Federer - 3B, 10b / 0B, 1b = 45pts (42)
Robredo - 3B, 10b / 2B, 5b = 45pts (20)
Ferrer - 3B, 9b / 0B, 1b = 42pts (39)
Berdych - 4B, 7b / 0B, 6b = 41pts (23)
Simon - 2B, 10b / 0B, 3b = 40pts (31)
Cilic - 4B, 7b / 2B, 2b = 41pts (25)
Roddick - 2B, 9b / 0B, 2b = 37pts (31)
Tsonga - 1B, 9b / 1B , 3b = 32pts (18 )
Del Potro - 1B, 9b / 2B, 3b = 32pts (13)
Monfils - 1B, 6b / 0B, 3b = 23pts (14)
Wawrinka - 1B, 6b / 0B, 4b = 23pts (11)
Gonzalez - 1B, 2b / 0B, 0b = 11pts (11)
Davydenko - 1B, 1b / 0B, 2b = 8pts (2)
Blake - 0B, 2b / 1B, 2b = 6pts (-5)
Tursunov - 1B, 1b / B, 1b = 8 (5)

Off:
Nalbandian - 1B, 4b / 1B, 1b = 17pts (9)
Not including Gasquet since it'd be a waste of time
Stepanek - 3B, 5b / 3B, 2b = 30pts (9)

Group Totals: (updated 6/9)
Served vs Eaten
Bagels: 53-13
Breadsticks: 149-48
Cumulative total score: 712 (avg 35.6)
Cumulative net score: 503 (avg 25.2)
 
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soyizgood said:
I'm trying to assemble a system that issues points for bagels and breadsticks. I'm going to need some help keeping track of them being handed out as well as eaten.

I'm thinking 5pts per bagel, 3 pts per breadstick. We should keep track of the bagels and breadsticks the players ate as well for tie-breaker purposes as well as those just wanting to argue. Maybe even deduct points for eating them, but that will be addressed at another time. I have included bagels and breadsticks that occurred in sets that ended in retirements (i.e. 3-1, 4-0).

This is a small list among the top 15. I could expand it to the top 20, but keeping track is going to be a pain as the year goes on.

As of April 26, 2009: (B is bagel, b is breadstick)
Nadal - 6B, 6b / 1B, 0b = 48pts
Federer - 2B, 3b / 0B, 1b = 19pts
Djokovic - 1B, 6b / 0B, 3b = 23pts
Murray - 5B, 7b / 0B, 2b = 46pts
Del Potro - 0B, 4b / 2B, 1b = 12pts
Roddick - 2B, 7b / 0B, 0b = 31pts
Verdasco - 4B, 7b / 0B, 2b = 41pts
Davydenko - 0B, 0b / 0B, 0b = 0pts
Simon - 0B, 9b / 0B, 1b = 27pts
Monfils - 1B, 4b / 0B, 3b = 17pts
Tsonga - 1B, 8b / 1B , 1b = 29pts
Wawrinka - 0B, 3b / 0B, 4b = 9pts
Ferrer - 3B, 8b / 0B, 1b = 39pts
Gonzalez - 1B, 2b / 0B, 0b = 11pts
Nalbandian - 1B, 4b / 1B, 1b = 17pts

Nadal is the bagel king, Simon the breadstick king so far.
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Perhaps, rank them in descending order by point total :wink:
 
I'm sorry i've never heard these terms before. Bagels and breadsticks? In terms of tennis Bagel i think mean when you take a set 6-0 right? whats a breakstick?
 
Bud said:
Perhaps, rank them in descending order by point total :wink:
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I could do that, but that's a lot of copying and pasting. I could put the numbers in excel, sort it out, export it to a CSV file and then paste to the thread. Hmmm... Goes to show how much of a life I have....sigh

If I did that, the *******s are going to be all-out whining with his name listed below Murray, Djokovic, Simon, in any statistical category....LMAO
 
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Sorted in order of points among the top 15 ATP players. If anyone wants to post up the numbers for the #16-#20 ranked players for me, go for it. :)
 
Players ranked 16-20:

Robredo - 2B, 7b / 2B, 2b = 31pts
Blake - 0B, 1b / 0B, 2b = 3pts
Cilic - 1B, 3b / 2B, 0b = 14pts
Stepanek - 3B, 3b / 3B, 1b = 24pts
Safin - 0B, 0b / 0B, 0b = 0pts

Others just to mention:
Fish - 1B, 4b / 0B, 0b = 17pts
Gasquet - 1B, 0b / 0B, 2b = 5pts
Querrey - 0B, 1b / 0B, 1b = 3pts
Santoro - 0B, 3b / 1B, 2b = 9pts
Gulbis - 0B, 1b / 0B, 2b = 3pts
 
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soyizgood said:
I'm trying to assemble a system that issues points for bagels and breadsticks. I'm going to need some help keeping track of them being handed out as well as eaten.

I'm thinking 5pts per bagel, 3 pts per breadstick. We should keep track of the bagels and breadsticks the players ate as well for tie-breaker purposes as well as those just wanting to argue. Maybe even deduct points for eating them, but that will be addressed at another time. I have included bagels and breadsticks that occurred in sets that ended in retirements (i.e. 3-1, 4-0).

This is a small list among the top 15. I could expand it to the top 20, but keeping track is going to be a pain as the year goes on.

EDIT: Now has the top 20 players and their point totals.

As of April 26, 2009: (B is bagel, b is breadstick)
Bagels, breadsticks handed / Bagels, breadsticks eaten
Nadal - 6B, 6b / 1B, 0b = 48pts
Murray - 5B, 7b / 0B, 2b = 46pts
Verdasco - 4B, 7b / 0B, 2b = 41pts
Ferrer - 3B, 8b / 0B, 1b = 39pts
Roddick - 2B, 7b / 0B, 0b = 31pts
Robredo - 2B, 7b / 2B, 2b = 31pts
Tsonga - 1B, 8b / 1B , 1b = 29pts
Simon - 0B, 9b / 0B, 1b = 27pts
Stepanek - 3B, 3b / 3B, 1b = 24pts
Djokovic - 1B, 6b / 0B, 3b = 23pts
Federer - 2B, 3b / 0B, 1b = 19pts
Nalbandian - 1B, 4b / 1B, 1b = 17pts
Monfils - 1B, 4b / 0B, 3b = 17pts
Cilic - 1B, 3b / 2B, 0b = 14pts
Del Potro - 0B, 4b / 2B, 1b = 12pts
Gonzalez - 1B, 2b / 0B, 0b = 11pts
Wawrinka - 0B, 3b / 0B, 4b = 9pts
Blake - 0B, 1b / 0B, 2b = 3pts
Davydenko - 0B, 0b / 0B, 0b = 0pts
Safin - 0B, 0b / 0B, 0b = 0pts

Nadal is the bagel king, Simon the breadstick king so far.
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Muzza is the real number 2, no?
 
Cyan said:
Muzza is the real number 2, no?
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So far, I'd say he is.

Funny the top 2 on this index are so-called "defensive-minded" grinders. Heck Simon has 9 breadsticks compared to Federer's 3, despite playing almost the exact number of matches. :shock:
 
kimbahpnam said:
Nadal's eaten a Bagel? He should retire...
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It was in Rotterdam against Murray 3rd set i believe... however Nadal was (im not going to use the word injured) but not in the best physical form... he pulled an Agassi and continued knowing he was going to loose, rather than pull a Djokovic
 
soyizgood said:
So far, I'd say he is.

Funny the top 2 on this index are so-called "defensive-minded" grinders. Heck Simon has 9 breadsticks compared to Federer's 3, despite playing almost the exact number of matches. :shock:
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And most surprisingly...Roddick has given 7 breadsticks and has not been given a single bagel or breadstick. :)
 
I started working on a WTA list. Elena Dementieva has handed out 4 bagels and 10 breadsticks so far and only ate 1 breadstick. That's good for 50 pts.
 
soyizgood said:
I'm trying to assemble a system that issues points for bagels and breadsticks. I'm going to need some help keeping track of them being handed out as well as eaten.

I'm thinking 5pts per bagel, 3 pts per breadstick. We should keep track of the bagels and breadsticks the players ate as well for tie-breaker purposes as well as those just wanting to argue. Maybe even deduct points for eating them, but that will be addressed at another time. I have included bagels and breadsticks that occurred in sets that ended in retirements (i.e. 3-1, 4-0).

This is a small list among the top 15. I could expand it to the top 20, but keeping track is going to be a pain as the year goes on.

EDIT: Now has the top 20 players and their point totals.

As of April 26, 2009: (B is bagel, b is breadstick)
Bagels, breadsticks handed / Bagels, breadsticks eaten
Nadal - 6B, 6b / 1B, 0b = 48pts
Murray - 5B, 7b / 0B, 2b = 46pts
Verdasco - 4B, 7b / 0B, 2b = 41pts
Ferrer - 3B, 8b / 0B, 1b = 39pts
Roddick - 2B, 7b / 0B, 0b = 31pts
Robredo - 2B, 7b / 2B, 2b = 31pts
Tsonga - 1B, 8b / 1B , 1b = 29pts
Simon - 0B, 9b / 0B, 1b = 27pts
Stepanek - 3B, 3b / 3B, 1b = 24pts
Djokovic - 1B, 6b / 0B, 3b = 23pts
Federer - 2B, 3b / 0B, 1b = 19pts
Nalbandian - 1B, 4b / 1B, 1b = 17pts
Monfils - 1B, 4b / 0B, 3b = 17pts
Cilic - 1B, 3b / 2B, 0b = 14pts
Del Potro - 0B, 4b / 2B, 1b = 12pts
Gonzalez - 1B, 2b / 0B, 0b = 11pts
Wawrinka - 0B, 3b / 0B, 4b = 9pts
Blake - 0B, 1b / 0B, 2b = 3pts
Davydenko - 0B, 0b / 0B, 0b = 0pts
Safin - 0B, 0b / 0B, 0b = 0pts

Nadal is the bagel king, Simon the breadstick king so far.
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How about Bagels-Breadsticks Served rather than handed (to create a tennis pun and maintain the food theme) :lol:

OK, I'll shut up now :oops:
 
Leublu tennis said:
An interesting statistic. Its almost akin to baseball averages. Numbers are not as important as the rate.
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Rate of what then? Rate of B/b per match, per tournament, per sets played? It gets really complicated and somewhat subjective if I were to set ratios. IMO if I were to do it that way it would be pts/set or the inverse sets/pt.

Even with just the simple numbers it has dispelled some stereotypes about certain players. Simon is a grinder, yet has the most breadsticks. Federer for years was the leader in bagels served, but has only 2 this year coming into clay season. Clay season has barely started, yet Nadal has the lead from an impressive hardcourt run. Ferrer is another grinder that's been serving up breadsticks and bagels. I had no idea Verdasco put together all those bagels and breadsticks.

Besides, I'm sure certain fanboys will try to manipulate the stats in their creative ways. LOL
 
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Sharp memory Orange! But perhaps your vision isn't quite as sharp yet?! The thread title reads "The 2009 ATP Bagel and Breadstick Report" :)

orangeblood said:
Wait, is this only for this year? Because I clearly remember Federer serving Roddick a bagel in that 2007 AO SF.
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Rafa destroyed Soderling and then served him breakfast :)

Breadstick followed by a bagel.

6-1, 6-0

Rafa is back on top with 56 points!
 
At the end of April, 10 of the top 20 players have net scores below 10. Del Potro has the lowest net score of the group and he's #5 in the world?? :shock: Stepanek is having a pretty good year, but has eaten 3 bagels already.

For all the bashing the WTA gets here, only 6 ladies in the top 20 have net scores below 10 and only 1 with a negative net score. None of them have eaten 3 bagels yet. 5 men have eaten 2 bagels compared to 3 on the ladies' side.

This report does have a few uses after all. :)
 
Ha ha ha, for a moment there, I thought the OP is actually counting on how many Bagels and breadstick the pros eat LOL. First thing that came to my mind, "What an odd thing to keep statistic on" 2nd thing.. "The pros eat bagels ???!!! " ha ha.
 
soyizgood said:
Blake ate a bagel. And to think he was looking decent on clay...
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Cant believe blake lost that match, after having two match points at 5-4. He then just dissapear after losing those two points. He ran out of energy and just give away the match to montañes.
 
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