You guys should ask TW Staff to rename this thread "Steph Curry 2024-2025 casual NBA fan argument thread"
Id hazard a guess none of you could chop shop about hoops in any respectable capacity without leveraging chat GPT (which might even make ya'll look even more incompetent tbh)
Feel free to grace us with your expertise then, brother. All this post sounds like is the "basketball isn't played on spreadsheets" Kobe dude.
The Curry stuff is a years long running TTW joke.
the hilarious part about your attempted slight is that I'm on an NBA team's payrollso I'm actually the "works in the NBA" dude
maybe I can answer your question with a question, how would defend a staggered high 1/4/5 ball screen with curry and green/butler as the screeners?
what do they say about the bit that gone on too long? like beating a dead horse?
It's not a slight just wondering why a dude I've never seen here before comes into the thread complaining about it. Bit strange. Then you offer even less than what you claim is being offered here.
The dudes in this thread know ball past memes. Try asking them about it instead of complaining, they may surprise you.
And cool RE: The NBA team payroll. I was on the Packers payroll out of college. Doesn't make me Brian Gutekunst though.
Personally, I don’t mind spicing up this thread with little more bullying and hand-checking like in the early 90s.
we are ready for story time whenever you are.The intent definitely isnt to be a d1ckhead. I just wish that I could chime in with some cool stories for you all, if the content felt compelling enough to do so
I'm complaining bc the thread isn't what the title insinuates. It's just nonsensical inside jokes repeated over and over
Also what you suggested is what I did in my second reply after roasting this thread, I asked you to layer in some analysis about how you would defend a staggered 4/5 ball screen action with curry as the ball handler, but you replied with an apologist explanation of a 24-page thread with 97% inside jokes instead of telling me if you should show/switch/drop either screen action
I sometimes irrationally pop in here with the expectation something is evolved beyond "meme based" discussion. the pretense of the thread would assume a little more insight driving discussion. It's all giving GPPD
The intent somehow may not be but the effect definitely is thatThe intent definitely isnt to be a d1ckhead. I just wish that I could chime in with some cool stories for you all, if the content felt compelling enough to do so
The answer is there is none. You can’t go under a Curry screen and you can’t switch a small onto Jimmy or allow him space to operate. Your only option is death, just a choice of death by Steph or death by Jimmy, and that’s why the Dubs are a Demon Team and will win the title this season easily.maybe I can answer your question with a question, how would defend a staggered high 1/4/5 ball screen with curry and green/butler as the screeners?
Doug Gottlieb was trying to explain this on the radio the other day. Your explanation was more clear.The answer is there is none. You can’t go under a Curry screen and you can’t switch a small onto Jimmy or allow him space to operate. Your only option is death, just a choice of death by Steph or death by Jimmy, and that’s why the Dubs are a Demon Team and will win the title this season easily.
The answer is there is none. You can’t go under a Curry screen and you can’t switch a small onto Jimmy or allow him space to operate. Your only option is death, just a choice of death by Steph or death by Jimmy, and that’s why the Dubs are a Demon Team and will win the title this season easily.
well you did insinuate the bc Im on the payroll doesnt mean anything if Im not the GM, when I ironically I work closer with our FO than 97% of employeesMy dude the title is 2024-2025 NBA season. Not TTW NBA (Geniuses Only) Club. Your complaints would hold more water if you contributed. I don't really see how my title insinuates anything other than memes, banter, and general nonsense. Of course it is like GPPD. That is this entire platform. The entire platform is a meme.
We used to have a better balance between analysis and memes, but the ones that were more analytical based have sadly dropped their activity. If I could bring them back from the virtual dead, I would.
I didn't answer your question because I never pretended to be an analytical basketball fan. Funnily enough the actual guy you're roasting would be best suited to answering the question. I don't care if you roast me, I am defending the guys in here that do talk ball and aren't just all memes.
I watch for the Jimmie's and the Joe's not the X's and O's.
You took it as a slight when it wasn't. If you are really on an NBA payroll and all that your insights here would be interesting. You just assume they will all be met with sarcasm or memes. I am telling you that is not the case.
There's a better way to go about it then your first post did though, let's not pretend there isn't.
It would be one thing if you were posting interesting content and it was met with stuff like "Wardell ruined the sport" or some other tried and true TTW meme. But to my knowledge that hasn't happened?
At the end of the day, shouldn't constant sh1t posting illicit a little sh1t talking??The intent somehow may not be but the effect definitely is that
well you did insinuate the bc Im on the payroll doesnt mean anything if Im not the GM, when I ironically I work closer with our FO than 97% of employees
I get your lens may not be receptive to that and I appreciate the honesty. I've popped in here 2-3 times this year with similar sentiment. Often times met with defensiveness about the integrity of running inside jokes, to me thats just super tired
Im sure even if you want dont want to discuss the strategic/technical/mental elements of the game, there has to me something better than just propping up inside jokes. To your point. Dr. Reverse Jinx did chime in with some attempt at analysis (and a patented reverse-jinx)
My apologies, I can see how that could be interpreted that way. But no, I was mainly being self-deprecating there. I was on the Packers payroll but my X's and O's knowledge of the NFL is marginally more than it is for the NBA. My main point with that is we don't actually know your title. "On the payroll" could be like how I was on the payroll. Or the ball boy.
The defensiveness about the inside jokes is just me enjoying this platform for what it is. I wouldn't want people to stop coming here because they don't feel like their content is welcome. I welcome any and all content. Like I said, if people would answer your analytical posts with nothing but memes, I wouldn't be so quick to be defensive. I would say in that instance you are right to be annoyed.
But if you want an example of me telling @Kralingen to stop the memes just read the TT Football thread.
I'm not against discussing strategy/technical/mental elements, I'm just not an expert. Just think the original post could have been approached a bit nicer. Many of these dudes have been here for years and years contributing. Is a lot of it pure nonsense? Yes. But I wouldn't have it any other way.
why is the all-star game so weird now?
It's cool man. When I see a thread with 24 pages of NBA discussion, I get excited. I really love hoops. I love hoops only second to tennis (which has been apart of my life since I was 5). It doesnt have to be advanced analytics or coaching jargon, but I just want to feel like it's a welcome place to engage. Right now the content feels quite niche and hard to engage with
My point is, I get excited to see the passion. I want to engage and then I see a lot of stuff that is pretty hard to interpret/not-inclusive discussion. No one wants to pop in here to decode 3 straight pages of reverse jinxs or inside jokes, its very tiring
What I'd love to do and see are the critiques of all star weekend. Relevant discussion. What would you change? How? What did you like? etc etc...
At the end of the day, shouldn't constant sh1t posting illicit a little sh1t talking??
Honestly you raised some good points and I do know that our memes have pushed otherwise promising contributors that don't meme and aren't interested in memeing away. My main point through all of this is I think you'd be surprised at how willing we are to engage. Or at the very least try. I do agree we make things hard for "new" people to contribute to. This was never my intent though. My only initial saltiness was feeling like some people were being unfairly lumped into your original post. Guys like @marc45 for example is very often not posting memes and analyzing things past just a surface level. Again you can roast me, I do tend to meme a bit too much. I know I do.
I'd genuinely enjoy reading your posts if you wanted to contribute more. No hard feelings. I understand not everybody enjoys memes, especially not at the sheer volume we tend to create/regurgitate them at. I'm not sure we have enough dudes that will bring to the table the knowledge / insight you can (this is genuine, not sarcasm). But I hope my posts tonight at least showed we can talk seriously too. I will do my best to make up for my lack of knowledge with my real enthusiasm for this sport. I love the NBA. It's one of the only sports I enjoy more now than I did as a kid. And I enjoy playing basketball whenever I can.
We do need as many contributors as possible - so I implore you to contribute. We need fresh blood. And I admit, we need more analytical posts to break up the monotony of the banter content rife on TTW, not just this thread.
To be honest, I didn't really catch much of the All Star Weekend. Did you like the changes? I wasn't even aware they had changed it. I liked the games that had the set point amount but much higher, those seemed pretty fun. Haven't caught a dunk contest in years.
Honestly I like the idea of the NBA doing something similar to 4 Nations in hockey. That has been met with ridiculous fanfare and acclaim by all accounts.
Anyways, I apologize if I was out of line with anything I said. Just that initial post put me on the defensive. But now I understand why you were frustrated and have been. Hopefully you see also why I was defensive.
I appreciate the admission that the thread can be pretty "clique-like" or make others feel like there's no point to engage. That was my first and lingering resentment, which Ive popped in a few times to try and address, but always seemingly get shot down. I get there is has been regularly scheduled programming around here, but maybe it's time to make concerted efforts to change that, if for nothing else than to welcome others into this thread/discussion
I haven't even hit on my main point, which is sheer respect for greatness. I dont like certain nba players, but I wouldnt waste my life continuously articulating my undying resentment for them. It's just not the behavior of a sportsman. That's the behavior of a gen Z child with an iphone and a sugar rush, probably. Not saying you are the one mainly engaging in that behavior, but to my initial point: if 3/4 posts are Curry-hate, shouldn't we ask TW Staff to rename the thread? If you hate the guy, that's on you. No one wants to hear about player-specific hate. This is what player empowerment did to the league, fans are so blinded by their fav player's nemesis that they can no longer appreciate greatness. Funny how we didnt hear anything about Bron skipping all of all-star and not giving his spot to a deserving player. That probably deserved some hate. I loved Djokovic 2006-2013, then soured on the guy when he became an insufferable ego-maniac. Did I ever stop appreciating his greatness? Never. He is simply amazing, even if I dont want to share a beer with his 2012-self. I think that's my main issue. Jokes and memes are fine, but incessant specific player hate? Lame. How many warrior/curry fans do we think refuse to contribute bc of that consistent narrative/sh1tposting train here? I'd guess a lot
Boston team sports fans have had a GOAT start to the 21st century.
Btw, when did they start allowing players to switch their pivot foot when they are not dribbling the ball? I have seem instances where a player shuffle their feet and switched pivot foot 3+ times.Not that much different than typical modem nba regular season game imho
You guys should ask TW Staff to rename this thread "Steph Curry 2024-2025 casual NBA fan argument thread"
Id hazard a guess none of you could chop shop about hoops in any respectable capacity without leveraging chat GPT (which might even make ya'll look even more incompetent tbh)
The intent definitely isnt to be a d1ckhead. I just wish that I could chime in with some cool stories for you all, if the content felt compelling enough to do so
I appreciate the admission
I love curry.if 3/4 posts are Curry-hate, shouldn't we ask TW Staff to rename the thread? If you hate the guy, that's on you. No one wants to hear about player-specific hate. This is what player empowerment did to the league, fans are so blinded by their fav player's nemesis that they can no longer appreciate greatness. Funny how we didnt hear anything about Bron skipping all of all-star and not giving his spot to a deserving player. That probably deserved some hate. I loved Djokovic 2006-2013, then soured on the guy when he became an insufferable ego-maniac. Did I ever stop appreciating his greatness? Never. He is simply amazing, even if I dont want to share a beer with his 2012-self. I think that's my main issue. Jokes and memes are fine, but incessant specific player hate? Lame
Most of the defense would depend on the angle of the action (I.e. is Hield in the short corner or is it someone like Podz or Moody, is there another big like TJD in the dunker spot, or is it GP2, etc) which would then affect your ability to cheat over with the low men and opposite side help.Why not stunt/hard hedge & drop? Then you are pushing curry mentally into an anticipated trap, which he will probably hit a pocket pass to green but he's now not playing 4v3 bc you sent a trap or in a favorable matchup bc you switched.
All you have to do is hard hedge and recover (if your defenders can aptly show/recover). That way Green and Butler arent playing 4v3 with two sticking to Curry
I see what youre trying to say & reverse jinx, but I dont think it’s an unguardable action. Were not talking Curry Durant 1/4 pick n pop here
I mean, it’s pretty telling to me that most of the regular contributors here are blatantly admitting that most of the content in this thread is a sh1t post. I’ve dipped in here a handful of times imploring people to be logical and have normal discussion, only met with defensiveness that is typified by your post.Where did this even come from LOL. Just a totally random infusion of hostility. Chuckling here.
Here’s a suggestion: respectfully communicate your complaints. Or find some like-minded people and create a group chat. Or find and hitch your wagon to any number of more “””substantive”””” forums online. Nigh-endless alternatives on offer. Thoughts?
Do you think that was the optimal way of priming people? You just called your would-be interlocutors know-nothings.
You don’t need more basketball knowledge, I’m sure you’ve got that in spades. What you need is to read a Carnegie book or smth.
LMAO! Any on your end, mayhaps?
Fedpo is channeling Father Theresa with his agreeableness in this thread. Hopefully him being a nice guy doesn’t give you the impression that your behaviour was normal here.
I appreciate this level of thought and analysis. I’ll get back at length later, but this is exactly what I was hoping to engage when I saw the thread titleMost of the defense would depend on the angle of the action (I.e. is Hield in the short corner or is it someone like Podz or Moody, is there another big like TJD in the dunker spot, or is it GP2, etc) which would then affect your ability to cheat over with the low men and opposite side help.
And indeed the answer really lies in your personnel, this is a cop out but true of basically every team these days. It’s still an unstoppable action if you have plodding bigs or jumpy guards who are slow to diagnose screens and have a tendency to get caught. It is no surprise that they cut apart Chicago and Milwaukee like a hot knife thru butter.
You are correct that teams with length and size are actually well equipped to guard this, my question is why? To me, it’s twofold - a) because the threat of Curry on an island is actually not as great as in the past. Perhaps that’s the crux of it. He’s about 10% slower, both in physical quickness and shot confidence, so that hedge doesn’t get immediately punished the second it retreats. Teams are less scared of him vs a 4 than they were even in 2021 and 2022. Part of it is stamina, part of it is just normal decline.
b) is the fact that generally, you haven’t had to guard the other guys AT ALL recently. The simple lack of weakside offensive firepower is why the Dubs have floundered the past two years. Their release valve has been nearly non existent. To me, it still can be an unstoppable action provided that Kuminga is playing with his head up and attacking the rim with force and intelligence. If you allow Kuminga a head of steam to the basket it can be the rim pressure the Warriors need to break the spell. His return will make or break their title hopes.
PS: I get that you’re a Warriors fan, so it must be tiring to read all the jinxing. It’s just a complex of mine, sorry. I cannot stop my hatred for Steph and the Warriors, believe me I’ve tried, but I can talk normally about just about any other topic if you’d like.
I mean, it’s pretty telling to me that most of the regular contributors here are blatantly admitting that most of the content in this thread is a sh1t post. I’ve dipped in here a handful of times imploring people to be logical and have normal discussion, only met with defensiveness that is typified by your post.
This is an online Internet forum man, not a family dinner. There’s no rule that says that I can’t push back on the notion of a thread, getting severely off of its initial topic or title.. Most threads that get off topic are either deleted or the irrelevant posts or deleted. You should know that as a contributor that’s been around the forum for nearly the same amount of time that I have and posted the same amount of volume of post that I have. It’s clear that we wander in different pockets of this forum, as I’ve never seen you in any of the equipment or pro gear sections that I normally roam.
Was I being inflammatory with my initial posting?ya I’ll go ahead and admit that. Am I sorry for it? Probably not, because it finally led to a few people admitting that this thread has gotten way far away from its initial premise. It’s clear you actually don’t know my presence on these forums because if you did, you would know that 99% of my post radiate positivity and try to bring members together. Unfortunately, this is one instance where I just couldn’t hold myself back from being blunt, honest and calling everybody out for the BS. I am glad that you got that rant off your chest though because to me it’s just revealing. I’m not trying to play in the kiddie pool with you folks on these cooked jokes, but I wouldn’t mind having a poignant discussion here or there that I could chime in on. Is that too much to ask?
This is so pompous and confused it’s actually impressive.
You act like you’re above everyone yet clearly seem to want our attention, and BADLY. So, I’ll exend you an olive branch: tell us your “stories” bro. We’re listening, and we care. Can you give us five by 6PM PST? Make sure the grammar is immaculate. Thanks!
@gino, on a more “serious” note: I have started many “serious” discussions in these threads and have received “serious” replies and engagement, as other members will attest to. Much like you, I do very little meme-posting.
Strange how I’ve gotten on fine, sans temper tantrums or urges to impose my will on a conversation. Very strange, indeed.
we may be more similar than different!
Thank you for gatekeeping internet forum decorum
with more egregious behavior. Pot meet kettle!
Youre asking me to "behave" by lambasting me for Im asking members to stay on topic. Ironic isn't it?
I checked your posting history for good measure.
Checks out tbh. Mostly GPPD nonsense arguing about who the GOAT is. None of that is serious. Mute button engaged!
I don’t know why but this made me crack up.Easy guys - Look - I was a little salty when this thread was essentially called butt.
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Horrendous half of basketball. Luka 7 turnovers 4 points. Looking like James Corden.
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Hornets are even worse. Outside LaMelo and Mark Williams, this is not a professional basketball team.
Luka looks absolutely horrific in all seriousness. Like he’s getting plenty of the ball everything is just short. Nico redeeemedBron will never beat 3ball’s* charges at this rate.
*Clarification for the uninitiated as we cannot, in good conscience, entertain inside jokes in this thread anymore: 3ball is a deranged anti-Bron poster from another hoops forum. He frequently posits that LeBron makes his high-profile teammates worse. Please DM if you have further questions; no memes will be used.
Luka looks absolutely horrific in all seriousness. Like he’s getting plenty of the ball everything is just short. Nico redeeemed
Prob the worst I can remember him looking, but again, it is of course still early
Somehow the Hornets have the lead through 3 despite playing 2.5 professional basketball players lol