Discussion in 'Strings' started by J011yroger, Feb 2, 2013.
Flouro isn't a bad string, but not as good as regular ALU for me.
Softer and more expensive.
Interesting, what poly please? The latest I've tried in hybrids were Luxilon ALU Fluoro...
So I guess that you'd notice less power with Fluoro?
I actually liked the 4G... t-shirt I got with the strings during the TW playtest
My stringer also says something along the line with jolly. Their customers came back and didn't like the 4G that much.
Decided to hit with the 4G again to get it out of my racquet. Broke it last night; if it is more durable than ALU it isn't by much, certainly not more durable than BBO.
As soon as the 4G broke, I switched to a frame with 'The Jolly Rig II' in it that was also about to break. The worn out bbo/alur was comprehensively better than the 4G. There was not a single thing the 4G did better.
I just don't understand why someone would play with it.
It is like saying I married her because she is always the same, and I think "yea, she is always a *****, at least mine is fun half the time."
Thanks! I also broke one of my Babolat VS Teams last night and mine was fun all the time, but probably lived like a burning star, shinning bright
I think I got about 5 weeks before I broke one of the two string sets.
is this string really that bad
No, it is not really THAT bad. If is was $8-9 I wouldn't be as critical. But it really isn't a whole lot better than Wilson Enduro Gold, which is like $40 for a mile long reel.
Its not. Its a good string. I think alu is good. Bbbr is bad. 4g is good. Rpm is good.
I dont think with the level of tennis you display (pretty high) you would be such a nancy about strings...
I really just need a string that can bite the ball so I can swing out. And 4G isn't up to the task.
Is jolly rig 2 stiffer than full alu?
Yes, if you string them at the same tension, but I strung full ALU at 70#, and am stringing the JRII at 48# so it is softer.
The JRII demands that you string it loose, ALU is flexible.
I would say that if you string the JRII 4# looser than full ALU it will be about the same stiffness.
Sounds like if I used it I need to string 42lbs. I strung alu at 47, 48. I'm always tempted to go full poly.
Dude...it is nice. It took me some getting used to, but I love it now.
If you do try, please post your thoughts good or bad in the JRII thread.
full alu power can keep up with my topspin swing. with 4g it seemed like my swing was overwhelming the string if that makes sense.
From using the steam 99s, the 4G 16g has lasted longer than luxilon alu power. The tension maintenance is quite a bit better with the 4G. After about 2 hours with alu power the strings started to move all around, but with the 4G after around 5 hours of play, the strings haven't moved yet. Keep in mind I strung both strings at the same tension. Also I'm going to try out 4G 15g to see how long they last in comparison to the 16g, so far its a big difference in tension maintenance from alu power.
I'm currently switched over to 4g 16g. Absolutely loving it. I'm breaking it consistently after the 8hr mark. However I've yet to experience a loss in tension/ control that I have with all other Polly's I've ever used. I'd like to see what the 15g is like.
Sounds like you are comparing completely dead, used up, about-to-snap Luxilon 4G with some other useless, about-to-snap poly setup.
Perhaps next time you could compare already snapped 4G with already snapped something else?
In my experience poly is only useful for perhaps 30 or 40% of its pre-snap life. Once the string loses its resilience, it is no longer useful for tournament play.
With my swing and racquet (16 main string Extreme Pro IG), 4G plays fabulous for 60 to 90 minutes, which is a lot longer than other polyesters. Also, after it has lost its peak resilience, it still hits much better than other polyesters that have lost their resilience. Not good enough for tournament play for me, but semi okay for practice, for perhaps another hour or so. Other polyesters at this point become so bad they actually hurt my game, set me back, kill confidence. Balls don't fly as much with dead 4G, control is much better than other strings in the same state, but spin and "feel" is lost, as with other used up polyesters. Playing with dead 4G in practice the other day many of my serves were catching the tape or going just long. It took me awhile to figure out what was happening, as my serve has been "on" lately.
Control, confidence, and plushness to the arm are big reasons to respect fresh Luxilon 4G. It should be at or near the top of any player's list. I could probably get more spin with some other strings, but so what. Fresh 4G allows more than enough spin. Which is more important for tournament play: some extra rpms from hyper shaped string and an exaggerated swing, or far more precise control from 4G?
I rate the control, confidence, and plushness of fresh Luxilon 4G as absolutely outstanding. I want those balls going in, those lines painted. Pulling out a stick with fresh 4G from my bag, I feel that I really have something, that I at least have a chance.
Of course, none of this matters much, if at all, for the usual soft and/or slap-around type hitters. Psych value from string is probably paramount to these type players, which is worthy. (No disrespect intended--softies and slap-arounders can be outstanding scorekeepers and line callers too!)
Because the string is marketed, and touted as one that plays well or nearly the same for its entire life (and this is one of the main reasons users of the string have listed for buying it), I thought it prudent to share my observations of how it played at the end of its life. The original review was my view on how it played when new.
thanks jolly for understanding my refererance to the topspin of alu verses the 4g. i live 90 miles north of the city and would like to get together for a hit. i could travel.... let me know. thanks.
I agree with the control when it is fresh but it still does not justify the price for this string. I guess the marketing cost might justify it.
Heres whats sweet about 4G. Low power, good tension maintenance and high stiffness (this helps with snap back). There you go. Have at it. These are the characteristics of 4G.
Luxilon isn't saying this is the holy grail of all strings but its apparent they put a high value on those characteristics.
Clean ball strikers like Grigor Dimitrov and Serena Williams find 4G helps their game as a cross string.
Have you played it? It didn't snap back for me even when new, I could push it out of position with my fingers and it would stay out of position, not the case with most stiff polys. It has a sticky quality that I think hurts the snap back.
Ok dude, let's make it happen. I love meeting up and hitting with posters, almost everyone I have met has been an awesome person.
Just hit with JGads tonight, and he was just a great guy, and a good hitter too.
Is that the black string??
My son is young but has good strokes and hits with a good amount of topspin. He thinks his set up of tonic + and 4g makes the ball land real short in the court.
I've tried it four times as a cross with natural gut. The gut seemed to slide back into position just fine. However, I didn't leave it in the racket very long. I just prefer ALU Power Rough as a cross.
Great. Now I feel like I wasted the 20 $ I blew on a pack of 4G strings.
I might as well not open the pack and donate it to charity.
I could have eaten several pancakes for 20 $. :-(
When I've tried full poly under 52 pounds it doesn't take long for them to fail to snap back during play. RPM, Outlast, ALU Power, 4G, doesn't matter. All get notched enough that they get stuck.
I don't have that problem with VS/4G. After lots of play the 4G definitely gets bumpy and pulling on the gut mains isn't as smooth. But the forces involved with a ball impact are far, far greater and the mains snap back perfectly. Super easy spin access.
If you are actually trying to paint lines you have already lost the match... lol....I can't remember the last time someone gave me a favorable call in USTA on a ball being two or three inches inside the line let alone one that actually hits it. Competititve tennis just brings out the best in humanity rofl.
just wanted to give my experience with this string. I strung it in my 2012 PD at 52 lbs to see if it could tame the power
It definitely helped me control the PD better - I felt that it gave me better control & more feel. I was surprised that it felt like it had a softer, more cushioned feel - almost like fluoro or savage
It was more comfortable & less harsh than the usual luxilons. I felt it gave a predictable response.
What I noticed in the beginning that I didn't like was that I couldn't get the pop on my serves like I'm used to with a string like RPM blast & I felt like it gave me no bite on the ball - just an average shot that didn't dip last minute or push my opponent back from a heavy ball but was able to place it better than I usually can with the other strings I've tried on the PD
I cut it out after a few weeks but in retrospect I think I could have kept it in longer & tried to adjust more to it. I cut it out & put the blast back in there at the same tension & now realize that I had more feel & control on my groundies - just minus the pop & bite on my shots. I wish I could have had both but now think I would rather have the feel & control for this particular racket.
I think it's a good string now that I know what to expect out of it & what I need to do to play well with it - But at it's price point, there are probably many other strings similar that I may not have tried that give you the same attributes.
Gads rules. I hope to hit with him sometime as well.
I agree, the string is pretty decent and stays playable for a long time. If you want extreme bite, sure there is probably better stuff out there. However, even if you consider price, I think its a bargain if I can keep it in my racquet for a few months as opposed to breaking some crappy multi every couple of days or needing to cut out 16g poly ever other week. I found 4G gets pretty boardy when it starts to notch, but it works its way out after awhile.
Nice post... pretty much what most state regarding this string. It seems to work best as a cross with Natty Gut Mains. I used it in a full bed and in a hybrid as a main string. No really enough power to help me hit thru the court. I had wondeful control and could not miss the court, but was getting pushed around when I played stronger players. Not really a string for the masses due to its price and the fact that it is seems to work best as a cross. They has be a better buy a cross that works as well.
Now THAT is funny!!
For what it's worth, Geoff is now using the 4G in the crosses (primarily so as not to jinx Fed, I think) and with it his ball is noticeably more 'spinny'. :shock:
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I got some of this string for free with my Wilson Contract as I am a teaching pro and I was hitting with a friend yesterday and after about a total of 1.5 hours of hitting I noticed on a certain shot the strings just went dead. I could totally tell that it happened because it sounded different coming of my 99s and the ball was just sailing. It was the weirdest thing I have ever encountered in stringing with poly. This by the way is the 4Gs so I am not sure if that makes that much of a difference but I can tell you it was odd how all of the sudden it just died. Needless to say I dont believe I will be string my racquet with it again.
Strung up the set of 4g I bought last month last night. I'm going to take it down to Miami. Hopefully it's not the epic fail many have reported.
Yeah, I hate to go against the grain, but I strung it up and really like it. I'm using a full bed strung at 49/47 (and went lower in my 2nd frame 47/45) in a Wilson 99S. The string has great control, really good spin, and feels just plain plush. I haven't noticed any drop in serve, quite the contrary, serves are really effective.
I have about 6 hours on the 1st string job and it still plays great. I hit last night for two hours and was really surprised at how hard I could hit and how much confidence the string gave me.
I'm going to try another poly at low tension just to confirm. I, like everyone else. would prefer not to spend $17 on poly, but if it plays that much better than the $8 variety, oh well....
Has anyone been able to conclude why 4G doesn't snap back?
ALU Power is like a one night stand. Intense but brief.
Intense but brief is my middle name.
Well, actually it's Richard, but you get the idea.
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