The 90's were undoubtedly the WORST generation in tennis history

[Razer]

You act like Djokovic was unlucky having Murray and Wawrinka as the main opponents his age, LOL!

But my post was about the NextGens...the players who end the slam runs of aging ATGs. Surely even a poster like you has to admit Nole was VERY lucky having 90s-borns as the next generation of players.

Yeah, he is writing as if losers like Murray and Stan are any better than Hewitt/Roddick. In Slams Murray and Stan were proper pigeons of Federer.

 

[junkieballer]

You act like Djokovic was unlucky having Murray and Wawrinka as the main opponents his age, LOL!

Nadal and Murray

 

[Federev]

In the history of professional tennis, every generation carries its torchbearers. Those players who rise up, snatch slams, inspire millions, and define an era. The 1980s born generation gave us Federer, Nadal, and Djokovic. Titans, immortals, the big three. They carved up the sport like it was a private buffet, taking 66 of the 80 men's Grand Slam titles between 2003 and 2022. But sandwiched between these icons and the brash new blood of the 2000s is one of the strangest anomalies in the sports modern history...the 1990s born generation. Let's say it flat out. This generation has been a massive letdown. Despite being raised on better coaching with greater access to technology, sports science, and globalized tour that offered more opportunities than ever, the men born in the 1990s flamed out. And not just a few. As a group, they failed to truly take over the sport. They were supposed to be the successors to Federer, Nadal, and Djokovic. Instead, they were the placeholder names on slam draws, always falling just short. In this video, we're diving into the why. Why did the '90s generation produce so many underachievers? Why did they never seize the moment when the big three finally started to falter? And how did the 2000s born generation already eclipse them?

So, the first question we have to ask is who are the '90s kids? So, let's define our generation. For the purpose of this discussion, we're talking about male ATP players born between 1990 and 1999. So some of the biggest names from this group include players like Dominic Thiem, Daniel Medvedev, Alexander Zverev, Stefanos Tsitsipas, Nick Kyrgios, Taylor Fritz, Casper Ruud, Andrey Rublev, and so on and so forth. You can always expand the list, but that only strengthens the argument. Because here's the painful truth. Out of all of them, only two players born in the 1990s have won a grand slam. Dominic Thiem and Daniel Medvedev. And they have exactly one each. That's it. That's the hall. Compared that to the 80s, Federer with 20, Nadal with 22, Djokovic 24. There's also Marin Cilic with one, Stan Wawrinka with three, Andy Murray with three, and even Del Potro with one. Or even to the 2000s born: Alcaraz had three slams by the age of 21. Let that sink in. Carlos Alcaraz, born in 2003, has more slams than every '90s born player combined. So, how did this happen? Well, part of the blame lies in the unfortunate timing. The '90s generation came of age during a period of near total domination by the big three. By the time guys like Thiem, Zverev and Tsitsipas were entering their prime years, Federer, Nadal, and Djokovic were still not only active but elite, borderline unstoppable. In 2017, Federer and Nadal split all four slams. In 2018, it was Federer, Nadal, Djokovic, Djokovic. In 2019, Djokovic, Nadal, Nadal, Djokovic. The door didn't just close on the '90s kids. It was slammed shut. deadbolted and reinforced with concrete. But timing doesn't explain everything. After all, every generation has to face tough competition. The 80s born legends had to take out the 70s stars like Agassi and Sampras. The 2000s born, they went straight at the big three with fire in their eyes. So, what went wrong with the '90s? Well, more than anything, the '90s generation suffered from a belief problem. They didn't believe that they could beat the big three when it mattered. You saw it time and time again. Zverev would get close then crumble. Tsitsipas had Djokovic two sets to love up in the 2021 French Open final and completely folded. Thiem reached multiple slam finals but lost most of them to Djokovic or Nadal. The only time they won was when the big three were either injured or not at their best. Thiem's 2020 US Open title came in a slam with no Nadal, no Federer, and a Djokovic default for hitting a line judge. Medvedev's 2021 US Open win was incredible, but Djokovic was going for the calendar slam and cracked under pressure. It's like the '90s kids needed the big three to not show up, to have a chance. They respected them so much, they were defeated before the match even started. When Novak Djokovic was finally forced to slow down due to injuries, vaccination bans, and aging legs, when Nadal started missing entire seasons, and Federer left the tour for good, the window finally opened. 2023 should have been the '90s renaissance. But what happened instead? Well, I think we all know. Carlos Alcaraz and Jannik Sinner took that window. They slammed it shut and threw away the key. Alcaraz has won the 2023 Wimbledon title by beating Djokovic in the final. Sinner has risen to world number one, winning the Australian Open, just winning Wimbledon. Meanwhile, Thiem has already retired from tennis with chronic wrist injuries and burnout. Medvedev has since fallen out of the top 10, struggles with consistency and getting routinely beaten by Alcaraz, Sinner, and even other players that he just shouldn't be losing to. Zverev remains controversial. He lost early at Wimbledon and the French Open this year. Fritz is finally in his career renaissance, but has only made one slam final and is 0 and 5 versus Alcarez. Ruud fell out of the top 10. Fritz has had a career renaissance recently, but can't get over the Alcaraz center hurdle. Ruud fell out of the top 10 and is losing to players outside of the top 50. The '90s kids missed their moment and they're not getting it back. While the '90s born stars flinched at the mountain of Djokovic and Nadal. The 2000s born players saw it as a challenge. Carlos Alcaraz walks on the court like he's playing with the legends, not beneath them. He beat Djokovic in a Grand Slam final. He plays with freedom, audacity, and belief. Sinner, the most professional, cold-blooded player since Novak himself. They didn't wait their turn. They took it. And that might be the biggest difference between these generations. The '90s kids were raised revering Federer, Nadal, and Djokovic as tennis gods. The 2000's kids grew up watching them and planned how to beat them. But let's be clear, the '90s generation isn't untalented. Zverev, Tsitsipas, Kyrgios, Fritz, they can play. Medvedev and Thiem have incredible peaks, but when you stack them up against the surrounding generations, they look like the worst performing group in modern ATP history. No sustained slam dominance, no consistent world number one reigns, no era defining rivalries. They are the generation of almost. Tsitipas two slam finals, zero wins. Zverev three slam finals, zero wins. Rublev zero slam finals. Kyrgios one slam final, zero wins. Fritz, one slam final, zero wins. And the worst part, they might already be past their prime.

Do you think the '90s generation was unlucky or just mentally weak? And who, if anyone, can still redeem them? In sports, some generations inspire awe. Some push boundaries, others simply hold the line. But the '90s tennis generation, they let history pass them by. They waited for their turn like it was owed to them. But in tennis, you don't wait, you take. They had every advantage, nutrition, recovery, analytics, technology, more prize money than ever. But what they lacked was the thing that matters most, belief. Now, as the 2000s born stars race ahead and the big three bow out, the '90s kids are left in the middle, forgotten, failed, and fading. It wasn't just a weak era, it was the worst generation of tennis.

I didn’t read all that yet.

But did you talk about cell phones and social media?

That’s the deal.

 

[junkieballer]

I didn’t read all that yet.

But did you talk about cell phones and social media?

That’s the deal.

Technology has always been evolving so players had more and more distractions and tennis became weaker and weaker. Therefore William Renshaw is the best tennis player of all times.

 

[ND-13]

Unfortunately for Djokovic , Sinner has exposed what the 90s gen were and the 12 majors he won during this time is thus being talked about .

He wishes for sure .Sinner did not show up. Could have ended with close to 30 majors , if you count weak era majors equally (some do)

 

[gamelovergold]

Novak did find it easier on the last leg but we have to remember nadal won his last slam in 2022.
Novak till now it looks won his last in 2023.
So basically he was all alone in 2023 and at just right time alcaraz showed up at wimbeldon and in 2024 sinner rose up and it was over for Novak.
So it was just that Novak had more gas in his tank than Rafa and thats why he won slam race. .
Regarding 90s generation only Medvedev fought well against big 3 . Rest were only side characters.

 

[junkieballer]

Novak did find it easier on the last leg but we have to remember nadal won his last slam in 2022.
Novak till now it looks won his last in 2023.
So basically he was all alone in 2023 and at just right time alcaraz showed up at wimbeldon and in 2024 sinner rose up and it was over for Novak.
So it was just that Novak had more gas in his tank than Rafa and thats why he won slam race. .
Regarding 90s generation only Medvedev fought well against big 3 . Rest were only side characters.

Djokovic always had to deal with an ATG in his career.

Nadal won AO22, RG22, reached his last Slam semifinal at Wimbledon 2022 and in the immediately following Slam Alcaraz won his first title.

 

[Razer]

Unfortunately for Djokovic , Sinner has exposed what the 90s gen were and the 12 majors he won during this time is thus being talked about .

He wishes for sure .Sinner did not show up. Could have ended with close to 30 majors , if you count weak era majors equally (some do)

The thing is that, only we people in this forum care for Djokovic enough to argue and some others here defend.

But in real life people have shifted towards Sinner and Alcaraz. They are being seen as upgrades to Big 3 as we speak.

So it is not even wrong to say that Sinner and Alcaraz are the GOATs now by level of play, this is because you are only relevant until you are an active player and the resident ATGs are always seen as better than the past. As you mentioned Sinner and Raz beating Novak a lot has also helped in building their image....that's how it should be and rightfully so.

 

[junkieballer]

Years Djokovic had ATGs as top2 highest ranked opponents:

2005: Federer, Nadal
2006: Federer, Nadal
2007: Federer, Nadal
2008: Federer, Nadal
2009: Federer, Nadal
2010: Federer, Nadal
2011: Federer, Nadal
2012: Federer, Murray
2013: Nadal
2014: Federer, Nadal
2015: Federer, Murray
2016: Murray
2017: Federer, Nadal
2018: Federer, Nadal
2019: Federer, Nadal
2020: Nadal
2021: -
2022: Alcaraz, Nadal
2023: Alcaraz
2024: Alcaraz, Sinner
2025: Alcaraz, Sinner

Only in 1 year out of 21 Novak had no ATG opponent at the top of the ranking.

Meanwhile Federer: had no ATG opponent at the top of the ranking in 2000, 2001, 2003 and 2004.

 

[junkieballer]

Slam finals/semifinals against Big4/Agassi/Alcaraz/Sinner:

Djokovic 48
Federer 36
Nadal 35

Novak had it very hard, he had to deal with Big4 until 2016, Big3 until 2022, and Sincaraz since 2023.

 

[Jonas78]

The thing is that, only we people in this forum care for Djokovic enough to argue and some others here defend.

But in real life people have shifted towards Sinner and Alcaraz. They are being seen as upgrades to Big 3 as we speak.

So it is not even wrong to say that Sinner and Alcaraz are the GOATs now by level of play, this is because you are only relevant until you are an active player and the resident ATGs are always seen as better than the past. As you mentioned Sinner and Raz beating Novak a lot has also helped in building their image....that's how it should be and rightfully so.

Once the tour starts off it will shift towards Sinner/Raz.

Will be interesting to see where the Nole-fans go the next years i.e who they will cheer for. The change was more natural for Fedal fans because they were never rivals to Sincaraz. I guess most former Fedal fans are either in Sinner or Raz bandwagon now.

 

[junkieballer]

Once the tour starts off it will shift towards Sinner/Raz.

Will be interesting to see where the Nole-fans go the next years i.e who they will cheer for. The change was more natural for Fedal fans because they were never rivals to Sincaraz. I guess most former Fedal fans are either in Sinner or Raz bandwagon now.

As a Djokovic fan I like Medvedev's personality more, he has that "me vs the world" attitude. But he is in decline.

 

[junior74]

Once the tour starts off it will shift towards Sinner/Raz.

Will be interesting to see where the Nole-fans go the next years i.e who they will cheer for. The change was more natural for Fedal fans because they were never rivals to Sincaraz.

It used to be Rune, since Novak «saw himself» in young brat. But since Rune didn’t deliver, they will likely have to look elsewhere… to one of the two players who stopped Novak’s slam account from bursting? Or stay faithful to the ‘Med and Zed are great’ tale?

 

[Jonas78]

As a Djokovic fan I like Medvedev's personality more, he has that "me vs the world" attitude. But he is in decline.

Yeah i can see it will be a huge anticlimax when Nole retires, i guess many of his fans never had someone else to cheer for before him. Sincararaz are an unnatural way to go. Maybe a third man arrives in a couple of years.

 

[junkieballer]

Yeah i can see it will be a huge anticlimax when Nole retires, i guess many of his fans never had someone else to cheer for before him. Sincararaz are an unnatural way to go. Maybe a third man arrives in a couple of years.

I like eastern european athletes for some reason. I like Khabib and Usyk too.

 

[Jonas78]

I like eastern european athletes for some reason. I like Khabib and Usyk too.

What about Sinner? Timing was wrong (you being fan of Nole), or some other reason? After what ive heard he is really huge in Italy?

 

[junkieballer]

What about Sinner? Timing was wrong (you being fan of Nole), or some other reason? After what ive heard he is really huge in Italy?

He Is huge in Italy, but I find him boring

 

[Jonas78]

He Is huge in Italy, but I find him boring

I was planning to travel and watch Rome tennis this year, but something came up. Aiming for 2027.

 

[Jonas78]

It used to be Rune, since Novak «saw himself» in young brat. But since Rune didn’t deliver, they will likely have to look elsewhere… to one of the two players who stopped Novak’s slam account from bursting? Or stay faithful to the ‘Med and Zed are great’ tale?

Wouldnt the natural way be a rival to Sincaraz, because they stopped Novak?

I actually like Zed, and used to like Med, prior to the AO match vs Nadal and the hopeless speech after it.

As a fan of Nole it must be a huge anticlimax to turn to anti-winners like Med/Zed lol.

Im just glad i found a new one after Roger because its nothing you can just decide lol. Its like the wand in Harry Potter lol, they choose you.

 

[TennisGrandpA]

What about Sinner? Timing was wrong (you being fan of Nole), or some other reason? After what ive heard he is really huge in Italy?

Sinner is the biggest star in Italy after Roberto Baggio

 

[duaneeo]

Nadal and Murray

2005-2009 Nadal was better than 2011-2015 Nadal.

But again, the next generation of players are those who slow/end the slam runs of the previous generation of players. Federer's NextGens were Nadal, Djokovic, Murray, Wawrinka. Djokovic's NextGens were Dimitrov, Raonic, Goffin, and that pickle ball player.

 

[Hitman]

Wouldnt the natural way be a rival to Sincaraz, because they stopped Novak?

I actually like Zed, and used to like Med, prior to the AO match vs Nadal and the hopeless speech after it.

As a fan of Nole it must be a huge anticlimax to turn to anti-winners like Med/Zed lol.

Im just glad i found a new one after Roger because its nothing you can just decide lol. Its like the wand in Harry Potter lol, they choose you.

Everyone is different.

I was the one who called out Sinner's rise to the top at Beijing 2023, I said Sinner had arrived and he was taking over. I was also the one who openly said Sinner will win AO 2024, when many doubted it and said I was wrong, that he was a flash in the pan. I didn't jump on his bandwagon when he was winning big, or weaponize him as some very upset Fedal fans have because he stopped Djokovic. I picked him because I knew how good he was, and he has proven me right.

 

[junkieballer]

2005-2009 Nadal was better than 2011-2015 Nadal.

But again, the next generation of players are those who slow/end the slam runs of the previous generation of players. Federer's NextGens were Nadal, Djokovic, Murray, Wawrinka. Djokovic's NextGens were Dimitrov, Raonic, Goffin, and that pickle ball player.

Nadal is Djoko's gen.

You can't talk about age all the time and then say that Nadal is not Djoko's gen.

 

[TennisGrandpA]

Everyone is different.

I was the one who called out Sinner's rise to the top at Beijing 2023, I said Sinner had arrived and he was taking over. I was also the one who openly said Sinner will win AO 2024, when many doubted it and said I was wrong, that he was a flash in the pan. I didn't jump on his bandwagon when he was winning big, or weaponize him as some very upset Fedal fans have because he stopped Djokovic. I picked him because I knew how good he was, and he has proven me right.

True , your break down and analysis of Sinner’s game post Beijing 2023 was ahead of time, Back then Sinner was laughed at because his slam’s performances were nothing special but you called the incoming dominance.

 

[Hitman]

True , your break down and analysis of Sinner’s game post Beijing 2023 was ahead or time, Nack then Sinner was laughed at because his slam’s performances were nothing special but you called the incoming dominance.

Yes, I know you were already there and aware of how good Sinner was. There weren't many of us who saw it coming and truly believed in him before it actually happened with his massive break through.

 

[Jonas78]

Everyone is different.

I was the one who called out Sinner's rise to the top at Beijing 2023, I said Sinner had arrived and he was taking over. I was also the one who openly said Sinner will win AO 2024, when many doubted it and said I was wrong, that he was a flash in the pan. I didn't jump on his bandwagon when he was winning big, or weaponize him as some very upset Fedal fans have because he stopped Djokovic. I picked him because I knew how good he was, and he has proven me right.

Sure im just speaking generally. I would also think many Sampras fans didnt like Federer because he was a threat, but i dont know really. If you have been cheering for Nole vs Sincaraz for several years it must be strange to just turn it around when nole steps down.

Me turning into Sinner fan is strange, really feels like Harry Potter and his wand lol, like he chose me. In the start i was more into Alcaraz, maybe because i was dying for some new blood after pretty much every promising player in the 90s turned into a dissapointment. I turned into Sinner fan during the doping case, i have no good explanation really.

Thought you were more into Raz than Sinner?

 

[Jonas78]

True , your break down and analysis of Sinner’s game post Beijing 2023 was ahead of time, Back then Sinner was laughed at because his slam’s performances were nothing special but you called the incoming dominance.

Im one of them, but glad he proved me wrong. After the 2-0 lead and then loss vs Nole at Wimbledon i was absolutely sure he was like the rest lol.

 

[duaneeo]

You can't talk about age all the time and then say that Nadal is not Djoko's gen.

I see you can't comprehend or read.

 

[Hitman]

Sure im just speaking generally. I would also think many Sampras fans didnt like Federer because he was a threat, but i dont know really. If you have been cheering for Nole vs Sincaraz for several years it must be strange to just turn it around when nole steps down.

Me turning into Sinner fan is strange, really feels like Harry Potter and his wand lol, like he chose me. In the start i was more into Alcaraz, maybe because i was dying for some new blood after pretty much every promising player in the 90s turned into a dissapointment. I turned into Sinner fan during the doping case, i have no good explanation really.

Thought you were more into Raz than Sinner?

I was a Sampras fan, but always respected and admired Federer, I didn't have emotional connection, but I did like him as a player. This is because I personally as a Sampras fan didn't feel threatened, because I never truly believe in GOAT, I knew Pete was the man of his time, and Roger was becoming the man of his.

This same thing allows me to be a fan of Sinner also.

To answer your question, I do like Alcaraz more, you can see me cheering him on here back in 2021, he simply caught my attention. But I like Sinner very much also, just a slight step below Alcaraz, and the reason is, just way I didn't feel any hatred or animosity towards Federer, but admired him and respected him incredibly, that same mindset allows me to like these new titans.

I know it is their time, Djokovic is in his late 30s, his time is up, this a completely new generation, a new era of player, yes they are crossing paths, but this is like Agassi playing Nadal in 2005-2006.

I am a tennis fan first and foremost, and I am fully aware tennis players come and go, they have their moment in the sun, but ultimately they must move on and it is someone else's time now.

 

[Jonas78]

I was a Sampras fan, but always respected and admired Federer, I didn't have emotional connection, but I did like him as a player. This is because I personally as a Sampras fan didn't feel threatened, because I never truly believe in GOAT, I knew Pete was the man of his time, and Roger was becoming the man of his.

This same thing allows me to be a fan of Sinner also.

To answer your question, I do like Alcaraz more, you can see me cheering him on here back in 2021, he simply caught my attention. But I like Sinner very much also, just a slight step below Alcaraz, and the reason is, just way I didn't feel any hatred or animosity towards Federer, but admired him and respected him incredibly, that same mindset allows me to like these new titans.

I know it is their time, Djokovic is in his late 30s, his time is up, this a completely new generation, a new era of player, yes they are crossing paths, but this is like Agassi playing Nadal in 2005-2006.

I am a tennis fan first and foremost, and I am fully aware tennis players come and go, they have their moment in the sun, but ultimately they must move on and it is someone else's time now.

But do you think you will ever feel the way for Sinner or Raz that you feel for Nole, when he finally steps down? Or are you somewhat waiting for the third guy?

 

[Hitman]

Im one of them, but glad he proved me wrong. After the 2-0 lead and then loss vs Nole at Wimbledon i was absolutely sure he was like the rest lol.

I got a lot of heat after the YEC 2023 final because Djokovic beat Sinner in that final, but I still kept saying Sinner is here, and watch him turn heads in AO 2024.

If you believe in someone, you had to stick to it IMO.

Its good that others finally saw just how good Sinner actually is, him and Alcaraz are the leaders of this sport now, and the perfect duo to take the reigns from Djokovic. Tennis is in a good place with them.

 

[Hitman]

But do you think you will ever feel the way for Sinner or Raz that you feel for Nole, when he finally steps down? Or are you somewhat waiting for the third guy?

My favorite player of all time is Sampras, so if after Sampras I can feel what I do for Djokovic, then there is no reason why I won't for the next top guns that keep me invested in the sport.

Of course I would love to see a third guy, it makes tennis that much more exciting, when more players enter the big stakes.

 

[Mainad]

Yeah, he is writing as if losers like Murray and Stan are any better than Hewitt/Roddick. In Slams Murray and Stan were proper pigeons of Federer.

You have really got to get out of the habit of referring to multiple Slam champions like Murray and Stan as "losers". It really harms your credibility.

 

[junkieballer]

I see you can't comprehend or read.

Federer 2014-19 is better than 2008-13. Maybe even 2004-09.

He improved his h2h against Nadal, Murray, Wawrinka, Berdych, Cilic, Tsonga, Delpo

 

[Hitman]

Federer 2014-19 is better than 2008-13. Maybe even 2004-09.

He improved his h2h against Nadal, Murray, Wawrinka, Berdych, Cilic, Tsonga, Delpo

Come on now.

2008-2013 I could see some sort of a case, but not for 2004-2009.

 

[Razer]

You have really got to get out of the habit of referring to multiple Slam champions like Murray and Stan as "losers". It really harms your credibility.

As I said before, I only call them losers/weak players when I see someone refer to Hewitt/Roddick as weak and yet pump up Murray/Stan. If someone is consistent and maintain that Roddick/Hewitt were great non ATGs of their time then I would also maintain that Murray and Stan were consistent and great non ATGs of their time, I wouldnt call them losers.

 

[Jonas78]

My favorite player of all time is Sampras, so if after Sampras I can feel what I do for Djokovic, then there is no reason why I won't for the next top guns that keep me invested in the sport.

Of course I would love to see a third guy, it makes tennis that much more exciting, when more players enter the big stakes.

Yeah Sincaraz make a great pair, but i miss some charismatic tier 2 guys who can be a threat on a good day, like Stan, Delpo or even Thiem. The gap from the top is still a little too big. Nole was, but now it seems the days when he could take down Sincaraz in a slam is over.

 

[duaneeo]

Federer 2014-19 is better than 2008-13. Maybe even 2004-09.

Okay, it's clear that discussing anything with you is a waste of time.

 

[Hitman]

Yeah Sincaraz make a great pair, but i miss some charismatic tier 2 guys who can be a threat on a good day, like Stan, Delpo or even Thiem. The gap from the top is still a little too big. Nole was, but now it seems the days when he could take down Sincaraz in a slam is over.

I think the pieces are still falling into place, we have our main players, the supporting cast will be established soon also.

 

[junkieballer]

Come on now.

2008-2013 I could see some sort of a case, but not for 2004-2009.

Federer vs 4-7 years younger Wawrinka, Nadal, Berdych, Cilic, Murray, Del Potro and Tsonga:

2004-09 --> 30-24 (55.6%)
2014-19 --> 41-9 (82.0%)

14-19 Fed destroyed Nole's gen except Novak.

 

[Jonas78]

Federer 2014-19 is better than 2008-13. Maybe even 2004-09.

He improved his h2h against Nadal, Murray, Wawrinka, Berdych, Cilic, Tsonga, Delpo

Id say he generally was better 2014-2019 than 2010-2013. Most of the losses to players like Tsonga and Berdych came 2010-2013, with 2010/2013 as his worst years his whole career.

Murray mainly always lost to Fed over 5 sets, whenever they played.

Stan actually improved his H2H vs Fed 2014-2019, but never beat Fed on grass/HC. Same with Cilic, his only win vs Fed came in 2014. Del Potro also did way better vs Federer from 2012-2019 than before.

Actually, its only vs Nadal and Murray he improved his H2H after AO10, not the other players you mentioned. Murray only beat him once in a slam though, in Federers worst season ever (2013). So basically its only Rafa off-clay and Murray outside slams where he did better late career.

Basically, its only his H2H vs Rafa that could support him being better from 2014. I would say this has way more to do with Rafa than Fed. Rafa never reached the heights of 2008-2013 on HC, he couldnt even beat Nole once post 2013.

 

[Hitman]

Federer vs 4-7 years younger Wawrinka, Nadal, Berdych, Cilic, Murray, Del Potro and Tsonga:

2004-09 --> 30-24 (55.6%)
2014-19 --> 41-9 (82.0%)

14-19 Fed destroyed Nole's gen except Novak.

I know Federer cleaned house on everyone apart from Novak in that period.

But his 2004-2009 was filled with numerous winning streaks, three three slam reasons, 5 straight W and 5 straight USO.

 

[junkieballer]

Okay, it's clear that discussing anything with you is a waste of time.

Slams Fedal won by decade:

2000s = 21
2010s and 2020s = 21

Keep telling yourself that Novak faced declined Fedal.

 

[Jonas78]

Federer vs 4-7 years younger Wawrinka, Nadal, Berdych, Cilic, Murray, Del Potro and Tsonga:

2004-09 --> 30-24 (55.6%)
2014-19 --> 41-9 (82.0%)

14-19 Fed destroyed Nole's gen except Novak.

Its only because of Murray outside slams and Rafa off-clay, and that Federer didnt care too much about masters tournaments. Fed didnt win a single masters in 2008, actually he didnt win many masters a year after 2006. It was all about slams, YEC and the ranking.

 

[Jonas78]

I know Federer cleaned house on everyone apart from Novak in that period.

But his 2004-2009 was filled with numerous winning streaks, three three slam reasons, 5 straight W and 5 straight USO.

It also doesnt make sense to mix all those names together, because those numbers are only because of Murray and Nadal, not the rest of the players.

One cant analyze this without considering the level of the other player. For example, Berdych was way better before 2014 than after.

 

[Hitman]

It also doesnt make sense to mix all those names together, because those numbers are only because of Murray and Nadal, not the rest of the players.

I think it is obvious the best Federer was from the 2004-2007 period, the level, consistency, and ability to make finals almost weekly. Though I can see why 2014-2019 has a case against the Federer following that period.

 

[Jonas78]

I think it is obvious the best Federer was from the 2004-2007 period, the level, consistency, and ability to make finals almost weekly. Though I can see why 2014-2019 has a case against the Federer following that period.

2010/2013 was worse then 2014-2019. 2011-2012 had some great matches but he was more inconsistent.

The level of the other player is also highly relevant. Berdych, for example, was way better pre 2014 than after. Same with Tsonga. Federer isnt the only proxy here

 

[Poisoned Slice]

People currently attend school at home, which I suppose was probably the case for many of you. Just kidding.

 

[RS]

People currently attend school at home, which I suppose was probably the case for many of you. Just kidding.

 

[Hitman]

2010/2013 was worse then 2014-2019. 2011-2012 had some great matches but he was more inconsistent.

The level of the other player is also highly relevant. Berdych, for example, was way better pre 2014 than after. Same with Tsonga. Federer isnt the only proxy here

Its a mixed bag of supporting talent and their own levels, yes.