The Age Gap Myth destroyed forever

Spencer Gore

Hall of Fame
During the match several posters were gloating that Djokovic's struggles were proof that a six year age gap is too much to overcome in a Grand Slam final.

Well, Djokovic has just smashed that myth once and for all. That's what a 32 year old ATG does to a challenger 6 years younger -even when injured and nowhere near his best -he finds a way to win. He finds a way to dominate.

It's time to consign the age gap myth to the dustbin of tennis history. It was always only a transparent excuse in the first place.
 
Djokovic wasn't injured.
He played a 6 year younger player, but not a 6 year younger ATG..
So now go back to sleep
During the match several posters were gloating that Djokovic's struggles were proof that a six year age gap is too much to overcome in a Grand Slam final.

Well, Djokovic has just smashed that myth once and for all. That's what a 32 year old ATG does to a challenger 6 years younger -even when injured and nowhere near his best -he finds a way to win. He finds a way to dominate.

It's time to consign the age gap myth to the dustbin of tennis history. It was always only a transparent excuse in the first place.
 

Omega_7000

Legend
You must be smoking something good if you're comparing Thiem to Nadal or Djokovic.

Tennis has produced not one but two generations of the most pathetic players post Nadal and Djokovic. Not only do these guys not have anything special in their game, they are also mentally weak.
 

tennisaddict

Bionic Poster
What happened when Fed beat Cilic 2 years back ? LOL.

The next gen is not at the level yet.. but they are getting close finally.
 

Azure

Legend
You must be smoking something good if you're comparing Thiem to Nadal or Djokovic.

Tennis has produced not one but two generations of the most pathetic players post Nadal and Djokovic. Not only do these guys not have anything special in their game, they are also mentally weak.
Your Avi is from which tournament? It's a beautiful shot of Fed.
 

Omega_7000

Legend
Federer had an upcoming generation of Nadal, Djokovic, Murray, Wawrinka etc. to deal with.

Nadal and Djokovic had to deal with,
Gen X - Dimitrov, Raonic, Nushikori etc.
Gen Y - Thiem, Zverev, Medvedev, Tsistipas etc.

They have benefited with zero young talents chasing them like they were chasing Fed. It's actually getting to be sad now. If the next next next gen finally starts winning it'll only be because Nadal and Djokovic are retired or 40 years old.

There wont be a true passing of the torch moment in tennis which is very worrying for the future of the sport.
 

Pheasant

Hall of Fame
Yep, because playing a 6-year-younger Thiem as exactly the same thing as playing 6-year-younger Djokovic.

And by the way, Djokovic and Thiem are locked at 2-2 in slam matches now. It’s not as though Djokovic destroying thus kid in straight sets every time in slam matches.

That just reminds me that I need to wipe the dust off of my ignore button.
 

Spencer Gore

Hall of Fame
You must be smoking something good if you're comparing Thiem to Nadal or Djokovic.

Tennis has produced not one but two generations of the most pathetic players post Nadal and Djokovic. Not only do these guys not have anything special in their game, they are also mentally weak.
That's because Nadal and Djokovic had the quality to put the young upstarts in their place. You can't win slams if the older player has the quality to stop you.
 

Federer and Del Potro

Talk Tennis Guru
38 is a lot different than 32 as well....

Now if you want to say Djokovic has proven to be far more clutch than a 32 year old Federer was, then you’d have a much less convoluted argument.

Also it was mostly Djokovic fans in that thread echoing that sentiment...
 

Ovie

New User
No, Age is a valid factor in Matchups, but it's most overstated by fans of both sides, you can't compare Thiem's ability at 26 to Novak's at 26, Reason why Novak won against Fed is 85% ability 15% gap in age.

It's a factor I'll admit that, but Novak didn't just start to win because Fed got old, Novak massively raised his own level.


Congrats to Djokovic
King of Melbourne Park.
World number 1
 
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During the match several posters were gloating that Djokovic's struggles were proof that a six year age gap is too much to overcome in a Grand Slam final.

Well, Djokovic has just smashed that myth once and for all. That's what a 32 year old ATG does to a challenger 6 years younger -even when injured and nowhere near his best -he finds a way to win. He finds a way to dominate.

It's time to consign the age gap myth to the dustbin of tennis history. It was always only a transparent excuse in the first place.
Know this was created after the epic wim14 final right. 28 yo djokovic vs 34 year old fed. Are you seriously comparing today's final against that one?
 

Towny

Hall of Fame
In 2014, 32 year old Federer lost in 5 sets to a 6 time slam champion who has previously won Wimbledon. In 2020, 32 year old Djokovic beat in 5 sets a player who has never won a slam and never even made an AO final before. They aren't comparable events.
 

Federer and Del Potro

Talk Tennis Guru
Djokovic played a lot less coming into the match plus had a whole extra day to recover, which is unfair
Nah honestly if a 26 year old can’t overcome the 1 day less of rest that’s on him.

Thiem didn’t really gas out he just brainfarted too many pts in 4th and 5th . Mentally tired maybe but physically no.
 

Xavier G

Professional
Federer was playing six younger Novak who proved himself an ATG.

Dominic Thiem's a very good player, but he hasn't broken through to even win a Slam yet, so he's nowhere near to being an ATG himself for any comparison with Federer and younger greats to count.
 

Spencer Gore

Hall of Fame
Yep, because playing a 6-year-younger Thiem as exactly the same thing as playing 6-year-younger Djokovic.

And by the way, Djokovic and Thiem are locked at 2-2 in slam matches now.
So Thiem must be a very good player indeed to have that record against Djokovic.

You're proving my point.
 

Open Stance

New User
Federer had an upcoming generation of Nadal, Djokovic, Murray, Wawrinka etc. to deal with.

Nadal and Djokovic had to deal with,
Gen X - Dimitrov, Raonic, Nushikori etc.
Gen Y - Thiem, Zverev, Medvedev, Tsistipas etc.

They have benefited with zero young talents chasing them like they were chasing Fed. It's actually getting to be sad now. If the next next next gen finally starts winning it'll only be because Nadal and Djokovic are retired or 40 years old.

There wont be a true passing of the torch moment in tennis which is very worrying for the future of the sport.
The flip side of that is Federer had to deal with the likes of Roddick, Hewitt, Safin and an aging Agassi when he was in his mid 20's before Nadal and Djokovic hit their primes.

So it really balances out.
 

Subway Tennis

Hall of Fame
Djokovic played a lot less coming into the match plus had a whole extra day to recover, which is unfair
I wasn't worried about Thiem's endurance and fitness going into the match, but I do think the lack of rest did end up being a partial factor in the match.

Thiem definitely lost his legs a little bit there, which is not usually an issue for him, even in Bo5.
 

junior74

G.O.A.T.
LMAO. Where do you take it from?

Djokovic beat a player who has not got what it takes to be best when it matters the most, and has lost his three slam finals.
 

chjtennis

G.O.A.T.
During the match several posters were gloating that Djokovic's struggles were proof that a six year age gap is too much to overcome in a Grand Slam final.

Well, Djokovic has just smashed that myth once and for all. That's what a 32 year old ATG does to a challenger 6 years younger -even when injured and nowhere near his best -he finds a way to win. He finds a way to dominate.

It's time to consign the age gap myth to the dustbin of tennis history. It was always only a transparent excuse in the first place.
If Thiem was on the same class as the Big 3, your argument would've made sense. However, he is already 26, turning 27 this year and yet to win a slam, hardly in the class of Big 3, but more likely 3-4 notches below. Djokovic struggled so much against him. Imagine if it was a player of his own class who was 6 years younger. That younger guy would've destroyed Djokovic. Also, Djokovic won today mainly because Thiem was physically and mentally very tired in the end.
 

Yugram

Hall of Fame
Because there are no good HC players under 30.
Ehm.. wrong.

#4 Medvedev 23.9

#7 Zverev 22.7

#8 Berrettini 23.8

#15 Rublev 22.2

#16 Shapovalov 20.8

#17 Khachanov 23.7

#20 Nick Kyrgios 24.7

These are some amazing Hard Court players, mostly hard courts specialists, except for Zverev. I know that you are upset right now, but saying that there is no good young hard court players is nonsense.
 

UnderratedSlam

Hall of Fame
During the match several posters were gloating that Djokovic's struggles were proof that a six year age gap is too much to overcome in a Grand Slam final.

Well, Djokovic has just smashed that myth once and for all. That's what a 32 year old ATG does to a challenger 6 years younger -even when injured and nowhere near his best -he finds a way to win. He finds a way to dominate.

It's time to consign the age gap myth to the dustbin of tennis history. It was always only a transparent excuse in the first place.
I threw that myth into the bin a decade ago. Very few were willing to listen - because back then nearly everyone was a Federer fanatic!

Check out my GAS (Great Age Shift) threads, they explain everything, crush the myth into little pieces.
 

Winners or Errors

Hall of Fame
Consensus is that Thiem today isn’t the equivalent of Nadal or Djokovic at 26. I have to agree. Djoker upping his game and Thiem wilting at the challenge only helps that stance.
 
Ehm.. wrong.

#4 Medvedev 23.9

#7 Zverev 22.7

#8 Berrettini 23.8

#15 Rublev 22.2

#16 Shapovalov 20.8

#17 Khachanov 23.7

#20 Nick Kyrgios 24.7

These are some amazing Hard Court players, mostly hard courts specialists, except for Zverev. I know that you are upset right now, but saying that there is no good young hard court players is nonsense.
How did they do here... on a HC? The greats were winning slams by these ages.
 

Spencer Gore

Hall of Fame
If Thiem was on the same class as the Big 3, your argument would've made sense. However, he is already 26, turning 27 this year and yet to win a slam, hardly in the class of Big 3, but more likely 3-4 notches below. Djokovic struggled so much against him. Imagine if it was a player of his own class who was 6 years younger. That younger guy would've destroyed Djokovic. Also, Djokovic won today mainly because Thiem was physically and mentally very tired in the end.
Like Nadal in 2017, you mean?
 
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