the all time fantasy masters

[kiki]

The Masters, now ATP Finals are the closing event that sinthetyzes the best 8 players over a year.Now, imagine we spread that to over a decade.It would possibly be THE BIGGEST EVENT played over a decade.

It would also permit grouping of eras, which is possibly fairer and clearer way to determine best of a decade.

Those would be my picks ( I´ve gathered, due to general lack of information the first 60 years in groups of 20 ).

1900-1919

Willie Renshaw
Ernie Renshaw
Reggie Doherty
Laurie Doherty
Alan Brookes
Norman Wilding
Richard Sears
John " Comet" mc Loughlin

Semis:

L Doherty beats Brookes 6-4,7-5
Wilding beats W.renshaw 3-6,7-6,6-3
Final: Norman Wilding beats Laurie Doherty 4-6, 7-5,3-6,6-4,6-2

1920-1939

Big Bill Tilden
Don Budge
Fred Perry
Jack Crawford
Henry Cochet
Rene Lacoste
Jean Borotra
Ellsworth Vines

SEMIS: Tilden beats Cochet 4-6,6-2,7-6 Budge beats Perry 1-6,7-5,6-4
FINAL: Tilden beats Budge 0-6,6-4,2-6,6-4,6-4

1940-1959

Jack Kramer
Frank Sedgman
Ted Schroeder
Pancho Segura
Alex Olmedo
Tony Trabert
Budge Patty
Jaroslav Drobny

SEMIS: Kramer b Patty 7-5,6-1 Sedgman b Trabert 3-6,6-2,7-5
FINAL: Kramer b Sedgman 6-3,6-7,7-6,6-4

1960-1969

Rod Laver
Ken Rosewall
Pancho Gonzales
Lew Hoad
Roy Emerson
Manuel Santana
Neale Fraser
Andres Gimeno

SEMIS: Laver b Gonzales 6-4,4-6,7-5 Rosewall b Hoad 1-6,6-2, 6-3
FINAL: Laver b Rosewall 6-3,4-6,6-2,1-6,7-6

1970-1979

Bjorn Borg
Jimmy Connors
John Newcombe
Ilie Nastase
Guillermo Vilas
Stan Smith
Jan Kodes
Artur Ashe

SEMIS: Connors b Newcombe 4-6,7-5,7-5 Borg b Nastase 2-6,6-0,6-3
FINAL: Borg b Connors 6-2,4-6,5-7,6-3,6-1

1980-1989

Ivan Lendl
John Mc Enroe
Mats Wilander
Boris Becker
Stefan Edberg
Pat Cash
Yannick Noah
Johan Kriek

SEMIS: Lendl b Becker 6-4,2-6,6-2 Mac b Wilander 7-6,3-6,6-3
FINAL: Lendl b Mac Enroe 4-6,6-2,3-6,7-6,6-1

1990-1999

Pete Sampras
Andre Agassi
Patrick Rafter
Jim Courier
Sergi Bruguera
Michael Stich
Goran Ivanisevic
Michael Chang

SEMIS: Sampras b Courier 6-3,6-4 Agassi b Rafter 1-6,6-2,7-5
FINAL: Sampras b Agassi 6-3,6-2,3-6,7-6

2000-2009

Roger Federer
Rafa Nadal
Gustavo Kuerten
LLeyton Hewitt
Marat Safin
Andy Roddick
Novak Djokovic
Juan Carlos Ferrero

SEMIS: Nadal b Guga 6-4,6-7,7-5 Federer b Hewitt 6-3, 6-2
FINAL: Federer b Nadal 0-6, 6-4,6-4,2-6,7-5

¿Which would be your DECADE MASTERS? and, what if the winners of the Decade´s masters would play a final ALL TIME EVENT, gathering the strongest 8 men field that times have seen?

ALL TIME MASTERS

Wilding
Tilden
Kramer
Laver
Borg
Lendl
Sampras
Federer

3 european, 2 aussies, 3 american

GROUP A: Tilden,Borg,Kramer and Sampras
GROUP B: Laver,Federer,Lendl and Wilding

SEMIS: Laver b Borg 6-4,0-6,7-5 Federer b Sampras 2-6, 6-3,7-6

FINAL: Laver beats Federer 1-6, 7-5, 6-4, 3-6,7-6

 

[forzamilan90]

Tilden makes semis? No Sampras?
by the way, edit the "1990-1919" bit to "1900-1919" to make it accurate

 

[Rock Strongo]

If I would stage a fantasy Masters I would include Krajicek, Edberg, Becker, Nadal, Sampras, Federer, Lendl and Agassi. Then I would use the fastest available surface (not wood, that's overkill), make all RR matches and semifinals 5 set matches with no tiebreaks at all and the final a 7 set match, again no tiebreaks. The winner would get $10 million.

 

[AM95]

YOU CANNOT COMPARE ERA'S. when tilden played tennis wasn't even a physical sport. people were barely working out there compared to how it is now. the only era's that one can possibly compare are they 75-90's to 2000-2010. i realize this thread is just for fun...but we can't possibly even begin to estimate who would win between laver and federer, or tilden and sampras. because if i were to pick, it would be federer who was more physically fit in his prime than probably ANYONE mentioned.

thats my 10 cents.

 

[borg number one]

SEMIS: Borg d Laver 6-3,4-6,7-5 Federer d Tilden 2-6, 6-3,7-6

FINAL: Borg d Federer 6-4, 3-6, 6-7, 6-4,6-1

Kiki, I was with you all the way until the SF-Finals...J/k lol...I like this idea very much! This is a very interesting concept. I'm trying to get my mind around some of these hypo matchups. Are we assuming that they play say indoors in the O2 Arena or at Madison Square Garden, or do we go with say Centre Court at Wimbledon for these?

 

[kiki]

Tilden makes semis? No Sampras?
by the way, edit the "1990-1919" bit to "1900-1919" to make it accurate

Thanks, I did it.BTW, I was doubting a lot between Tilden and Sampras; I just thought it was nice to have a player from the very past in the top 4...but,I´ve stated before that my big 4 are laver,Federer,Sampras and Borg of all the players I´ve seen...so, I´ll go for it, and replace Tilden by Sampras.

 

[kiki]

YOU CANNOT COMPARE ERA'S. when tilden played tennis wasn't even a physical sport. people were barely working out there compared to how it is now. the only era's that one can possibly compare are they 75-90's to 2000-2010. i realize this thread is just for fun...but we can't possibly even begin to estimate who would win between laver and federer, or tilden and sampras. because if i were to pick, it would be federer who was more physically fit in his prime than probably ANYONE mentioned.

thats my 10 cents.

As you said, IT IS JUST FOR FUN.And, of course, let´s equalize surfaces and matherials or equipments for all of them.let´s just talk on pure talent basis ( technichal, menthal, tactichal and physichal).

your picking Federer is pretty good.As you can see, he was my runner up...¡ not to bad among the 64 best players any time )

 

[kiki]

SEMIS: Borg d Laver 6-3,4-6,7-5 Federer d Tilden 2-6, 6-3,7-6

FINAL: Borg d Federer 6-4, 3-6, 6-7, 6-4,6-1

Kiki, I was with you all the way until the SF-Finals...J/k lol...I like this idea very much! This is a very interesting concept. I'm trying to get my mind around some of these hypo matchups. Are we assuming that they play say indoors in the O2 Arena or at Madison Square Garden, or do we go with say Centre Court at Wimbledon for these?

Thank you Borg¡¡¡.

Of course, I did it for pure fan, just similar to what HOOJDEM does when posting his rankings...As I said, I´d think just in terms of technichal, menthal, tactichal and physichal talents, and not so much about which era is better or weaker.

I´d equalize rackets, courts, equipment,strings and so on.As you very well pointed out, I´d pick a very neutral arena.Lets say, an indoor surface slighty slower than the Madison´s Supreme and a bit faster than the O2 hard court?


I hope other seasoned posters come and play this sort of contest.Everybody is invited...We may, someday print, a 128 player draw for an AA Time Wimbledon¡¡¡

 

[kiki]

If I would stage a fantasy Masters I would include Krajicek, Edberg, Becker, Nadal, Sampras, Federer, Lendl and Agassi. Then I would use the fastest available surface (not wood, that's overkill), make all RR matches and semifinals 5 set matches with no tiebreaks at all and the final a 7 set match, again no tiebreaks. The winner would get $10 million.

Yah¡ It could be like the Conference Finals and Championships Finals of the NBA.The player ranked higher would play 4 out of 7 matches in his favourite turf, the lower ranked one having 3 out of 7 at his.It is a good idea.

As I think more about it, why not create tennis divisions? like North America,South America,Europe,Australasia and so on?

 

[MrFlip]

Edit: 2000-2009

Roger Federer
Andy Roddick
Rafael Nadal
Marat Safin
Juan Martin Del Potro
Lleyton Hewitt
Novak Djokovic
Andy Murray

 

[piece]

I'd probably put Agassi in the most recent decade instead of Ferrero. Or is that not allowed?

 

[BrooklynNY]

Yeah, you have to put Agassi, Guga Kuerten, Sampras, JCFerrero in the 2000-2009 as Agassi has 3 slams 2 finals, Sampras has 2 slams 4 finals, and Guga has 2 slams.

All of which are better than Murray, and even Delpo, who I like alot.

Lets say, an indoor surface slighty slower than the Madison´s Supreme and a bit faster than the O2 hard court?

Good call.
This would be my favorite court ever I think. The place near me where I play weekly Hempstead Lake, definitely has what I would think is what is Said Surface. Slightly quick, but definitely slow enough, but with a medium to low bounce. Fed would love this court.

 

[kiki]

I'd probably put Agassi in the most recent decade instead of Ferrero. Or is that not allowed?

As I stated before, one player, one decade.Many players succeded in more than one decade or era.In the 80´s, Borg and Connors, who were, IMO, more of 70´s players.Agassi and Sampras success came mostly in the 90´s, even though they kept winning big titles in the beginning of the next decade.I chose the decade I think those players fit more confortably.it would be more complicated if we duplicate players, don´t you think so?

 

[kiki]

Edit: 2000-2009

Roger Federer
Andy Roddick
Rafael Nadal
Marat Safin
Juan Martin Del Potro
Lleyton Hewitt
Novak Djokovic
Andy Murray

Del Potro has 1 GS title whereas Ferrero, has 1 GS and 2 lost finals ( 2002 Fo, 2003 USO).I think his record is still better than Del Potro´s ( and he´s also won big events like Rome )

Kuerten won 2 RG and 1 Masters ( or YEC) in the 2000´s...¿Murray what´s he ever achieved in his life ?

 

[Deleted member 21996]

YOU CANNOT COMPARE ERA'S. when tilden played tennis wasn't even a physical sport. people were barely working out there compared to how it is now. the only era's that one can possibly compare are they 75-90's to 2000-2010. i realize this thread is just for fun...but we can't possibly even begin to estimate who would win between laver and federer, or tilden and sampras. because if i were to pick, it would be federer who was more physically fit in his prime than probably ANYONE mentioned.

thats my 10 cents.

now way... next you gonna tell me the earth is round???

 

[hoodjem]

GROUP A: Tilden,Borg,Kramer and Sampras
GROUP B: Laver,Federer,Lendl and Wilding

SEMIS: Laver b Borg 6-4,0-6,7-5 Federer b Sampras 2-6, 6-3,7-6

FINAL: Laver beats Federer 1-6, 7-5, 6-4, 3-6,7-6

There can be only one!!



(Extremely accurate prognostication, of course.)

 

[kiki]

There can be only one!!



(Extremely accurate prognostication, of course.)

But this one is exactly the right one, isn´t it ?

 

[Mainad]

Del Potro has 1 GS title whereas Ferrero, has 1 GS and 2
Kuerten won 2 RG and 1 Masters ( or YEC) in the 2000´s...¿Murray what´s he ever achieved in his life ?

Er...6 Masters,2 a year from 2008-2010? (granted no GS,just 3 runners up).

 

[kiki]

Er...6 Masters,2 a year from 2008-2010? (granted no GS,just 3 runners up).

I think his achievements, so far, shy in comparison to Ferrero´s or Roddick´s.

 

[Mainad]

I think his achievements, so far, shy in comparison to Ferrero´s or Roddick´s.

Sure,in that Ferrero and Roddick are GS winners and nothing can beat winning a GS.On the other hand,they are much older players with far longer careers than Murray so you can only fairly compare them when Murray's career stretches as long as their's has.

 

[Manus Domini]

Gonzales never dominant?

 

[kiki]

Gonzales never dominant?

Gonzales was a semifinalist, to Ken Rosewall, in my 1960´s Masters.He could have been the winner of the 1950´s.Gonzales and Rosewall (and Connors) both deserve the maximum credit for their longevity at the top.His passion for competing and his love for the game were even bigger than his phenomenal talent and easy play.

 

[tacou]

If I would stage a fantasy Masters I would include Krajicek, Edberg, Becker, Nadal, Sampras, Federer, Lendl and Agassi. Then I would use the fastest available surface (not wood, that's overkill), make all RR matches and semifinals 5 set matches with no tiebreaks at all and the final a 7 set match, again no tiebreaks. The winner would get $10 million.

dont you mean 10 billion