The Angell TC 90 thread

#1
I am aware that there is a long running, extended thread on Angell racquets BUT there is not enough talk about the TC 90.
I made the switch to the TC 90 about a year ago after spending 10 months fiddling with Pro Staff 6.1 (the original) and various Dunlop/Slazenger derivatives.
For too long I ignored the TC 90 because I thought I needed a lower RA. Sometimes we all need to question our prejudices ! No wrist or elbow pain and I am generating as much or more topspin as I could with low ra racquets (the TC 90 is very quick thru the air).
I was also convinced that I needed a mid plus racquet, particularly for return of serve. Better foot work and prep have improved my return of serve more then any 97 or 98 head size ever did.
The ironic part is that when I first contacted Paul and asked for his recommendation, he suggested the TC 90. It just took three years for me to get there.
 
#4
Ordered a pair of V3 90, 330g, 12pts HL ar 27.25 in. (came shorter than expected almost standard length) last month, one strung with Kilp gut/Lux Original hybrid and the other one with Lux Element all at low tensions. Even at RA70 I found them more comfortable than the IG Prestige Pro and swing faster than the 2014 BLX 90 (of all the 90 versions I own the 2014 swings the lightest and fastest). No wrist or elbow complain so far. The V3 90s end weight 360g with 4 g at 2/11, leather grip and accessories, about 9 or 10 pts HL. I like them better than the Prince P93.
 
#5
The TC90 is the second best racquet I have ever played and plays larger than a 90 IMO. Never had that many issues with the size and I play either a baseline or net game in doubles depending on how I am feeling. Best frame for me at the moment is the Prince 93P because it does better with rallying on clay and at the net with its beam. Although, the 90 is by far the best serving stick I have ever used. Either way, they are very close in terms of overall performance but the Prince just has a feel that is similar to my old Pure Storm Limiteds and an 18x20 pattern :)

I unfortunately had some wrist issues with it but if I were to play it again I think I could just exercise my wrist to try and alleviate this issue. I suggest trying full gut, if you search TC90 on youtube you will find a video of me playing with gut around 60 lbs. Made the frame really enjoyable and super solid.
 
#6
I don't normally create threads here on Talk Tennis. My thought in starting this one was that I would, every now and then, add a comment on the TC 90. (Most likely after winning a match :)

Don't be afraid of the 90 head size !
As a reference, inside dimensions for the original PS 6.1 (16/18)
are 32mm throat to head, 23.6mm 3:00 to 9:00
For the TC 90 throat to head is 31.5mm, 3:00 to 9:00 is 23.3mm.


I am going to reference the Wilson PS 6.1 often because I think the TC 90 seems, to me, to be a direct descendent of that Classic.
 
#7
I don't normally create threads here on Talk Tennis. My thought in starting this one was that I would, every now and then, add a comment on the TC 90. (Most likely after winning a match :)

Don't be afraid of the 90 head size !
As a reference, inside dimensions for the original PS 6.1 (16/18)
are 32cm throat to head, 23.6cm 3:00 to 9:00
For the TC 90 throat to head is 31.5cm, 3:00 to 9:00 is 23.3cm.


I am going to reference the Wilson PS 6.1 often because I think the TC 90 seems, to me, to be a direct descendent of that Classic.

For anyone wondering, this calculates to
Original PS 6.1 with 583 sqcm or 90.36 sqin
TC90
with 576 sqcm or 89.28 sqin

(using Area_oval = pi * r1 * r2, actual area may differ.....(PWS? Maybe not perfect oval?))
 
#8
TC90 is an awesome frame. I have two of them and used them heavily for more than a year. I found that they perform very nicely with a low-strung poly (40lb), and don't really feel that stiff - crisp is more like it. I have moved on for a variety of reasons, mainly because I wanted more flex and a tighter string pattern. If Paul made them with an 18X20 pattern and a sub-60 RA, I'd be all over that.
 
#9
I was curious about lower RA (and somewhat tighter string pattern and a box beam) so I purchased a blacked out Pro Staff 90 (pro stock ?)
Specs (with lead tape added) 345g static weight, 312 swing weight, unstrung flex (on Babolat RDC) of 55.
Very "buttery" feel. I missed the access to easy power particularly when looking to attack.
It (the lower RA ?) does help with adding shape (topspin) and bite on slice, but this experience was something that highlighted a truth for me: what works for some players/posters on the boards may not be the best set of compromises for me.
Having said that I have changed my string set up since I last hit with the PS, maybe I will revisit down the road
 
#10
Happy to finally have a thread for this! I was scouring the web for TC90 reviews about 6 months ago when I was thinking about making the jump from the PS90 now that it’s discontinued. I ended up just buying a used one from the FS section a month ago and even though the racquet isn’t weighted to my specs yet, it’s the highest quality frame I think I’ve ever hit with. I’m going to be customizing it this weekend and will be ordering 3 or 4 once I get the specs right.

I agree with the comments above that the TC90 is the truest descendant of the PS90 line available today. I’ve competitively used the PS85, HP90, N90, K90, PS90 2014, and tried a black RF97A for 10 days. I tried to make the switch to the RF, thinking it would be the next logical step now that I’m approaching 30 and my footwork gets more offensive to watch each year, but the stiffness and “tinny” feel wasn’t for me. After that experience, the TC90 feels like an old friend. The HP90 is my favorite pro staff by far, and if I had to give a pro staff comparison to the TC90 I would call if a cross between the HP90 and the K90. It has the crisp feel of the K90, the solid, dense frame like the HP90, and the dense and buttery sweet spot of both. If anyone wants an in depth review just let me know! I’m playing matches all next week so I’ll be able to compare at the same specs and string as my PS90s.
 
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#11
I think a tiny little bit of extra length makes a big difference in the TC90. Mine are 27.25" and that quarter inch gives it just the right amount of extra power and reach on serve. Highly recommended.
 
#12
I think a tiny little bit of extra length makes a big difference in the TC90. Mine are 27.25" and that quarter inch gives it just the right amount of extra power and reach on serve. Highly recommended.
I play my Asian 90’s at 27.25. More pop, spin, and ability to find angles


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#13
I think a tiny little bit of extra length makes a big difference in the TC90. Mine are 27.25" and that quarter inch gives it just the right amount of extra power and reach on serve. Highly recommended.
So this post has me considering trying an extended length but I am unsure as to if I would need to adjust balance point (310mm).
Ie if on a 27" my spec is 320 static weight, 310mm balance point (which I fine tune with TW Tungsten Putty), would I still go with the 310 balance point ?
 
#15
I think a tiny little bit of extra length makes a big difference in the TC90. Mine are 27.25" and that quarter inch gives it just the right amount of extra power and reach on serve. Highly recommended.
What is the weight and balance on your extended TC90?

I don't want to try extended racquets because I would like to have them easier to sell in case things don't workout, but I was also thinking the TC90 might need some power so I wanna customize it to be less headlight.
 
#16
I thought the TC90 had plenty of power. My specs were standard length, with the 330g / 305 balance. If I were to do it again, I think I'd get a lower weight so I could customize them more freely. Of course, you can easily remove the pallets and and take out some of the lead, but that's less ideal, for a number of reasons (more work, and if you want to order another one, they can't use the specs they keep on file). I don't like anything more than 350g strung in general, so there's not much headroom with the 330/305 setup. But, it did have plenty of power, I thought. I moved away from it mainly because I wanted less power and more control.
 
#17
So this post has me considering trying an extended length but I am unsure as to if I would need to adjust balance point (310mm).
Ie if on a 27" my spec is 320 static weight, 310mm balance point (which I fine tune with TW Tungsten Putty), would I still go with the 310 balance point ?
Personally I would go with the same pts HL balance (pts HL is measured from the mid-point of the racket while the mm measurement is taken from the endcap).

When you order a custom Angell racket, the options for balance (in mm) are for 27" frames only. For extended length frames they target the balance in pts HL, so if you order, say, a 27.5" with a 10pts HL balance (~310mm for a 27" frame) you will indeed receive a frame with a 10pts HL balance (~317mm for 27.5").

Paul once sent me a handy balance point chart for various racket lengths that I can't seem to find on the Angell website. I'll post it here if it's ok, @Racketdesign?
 
#18
What is the weight and balance on your extended TC90?

I don't want to try extended racquets because I would like to have them easier to sell in case things don't workout, but I was also thinking the TC90 might need some power so I wanna customize it to be less headlight.
27.25" / 310g / 9pts HL (317mm) / 305 SW
 
#19
Just a little bump for this thread:

I finally got around to my review of this racquet as promised. After thoroughly testing the TC90 I’m still raving about it. The specs I ended at were:

Strung Weight: 359g
Balance: 31.4 cm (9 pts headlight)
SW: 345
Mains: Luxilon Gut @48lbs
Crosses: Luxilon ALU power @45lbs


To give some perspective, my PS90 specs are:

Strung Weight: 362g
Balance: 32.2 cm (7pts headlight)
SW: 350
Mains: VS Touch @48
Crosses: ALU Power Rough @45

The biggest difference between the pro staff line and the TC90, and most significant factor in the change in specs IMO, is the D-beam opposed to the box beam pro staffs. I found that the D-beam generated more power and less spin in comparison to the box beam, requiring more RHS to compensate and consistently keep my shots in when going all out. I made the change to more HL, lower static weight and SW, and also switched from VS touch gut mains to Luxilon gut mains. Lux gut is lower powered, so this in synergy with the spec changes allowed me to hit all out and receive a consistently excellent result. I found that any change in feel from switching to Luxilon from VS touch was mitigated by the superior quality of the TC90’s frame, it’s seriously on another level. I used VS tonic for my first round of tuning and I had more feel than any pro staff I’ve used. That being said this racquet is incredibly string sensitive. I’d recommend using either a full bed of gut or a gut mains poly crosses hybrid for best results. Without further ado here’s my review:

Ground strokes:

This is a true players racquet. If you have excellent footwork and technique then you can hit almost any shot from any position on the court. The sweet spot is more centered in the string bed than the pro staff line but is slightly smaller, so after an adjustment period I found it easier to hit with this racquet than other 90’s where the top half of the racquet is dead.

The biggest challenge for me was adjusting to the added power of a D-beam frame. At first I was constantly hitting balls long, but after making the aforementioned adjustments I was able to increase my RHS and hit wicked shots with huge power and spin from both wings. The spin and control of this racquet is off the charts, I was able to rip topspin forehands and backhands and have them drop on a dime. When attacking and playing first strike Tennis this racquet is a surgical scalpel with the power to blow your opponent off the court. I also found amazing power and spin on the slice backhand while keeping the trajectory low. I was able to use the slice as both an approach shot and as a weapon to neutralize big shots from opponents and disrupt rhythm. On the forehand side, I was able to place the ball accurately and defend when scrambling, but with less confidence than the backhand side. My only difficulty was when playing a former college teammate who played challengers and getting overpowered. Defending with this racquet requires near perfect footwork and timing. This worked great when taking balls on the rise but any late or off center shots were easily punished.

Topspin: 92/100
Slice: 90/100
Power: 85/100
Control: 96/100
Comfort: 90/100

Volleys:

Amazing maneuverability and feel. Nothing to say here besides 99/100.

Serve:

Incredible power and control. Flat and slice serves we’re a pleasure to hit, I found myself using S&V for the first time in years. The frame’s amazing feedback would let me know if I was doing anything wrong immediately. On kick serves I was able to get huge amounts of spin but not as much control as flat or slice serves. My placement was more conservative than normal, but the huge amount of kick kept it from being punished.

Power: 92/100
Topspin: 88/100
Slice: 89/100
Control: 95/100
Comfort: 88/100

Overall this racquet is what I use when I’m on my A game and when I practice since it’s so demanding of footwork. I wish I had known about Angell in college, I might have moved up a spot or two. If you’re fit enough and the footwork and technique, this racquet is a lethal weapon.








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#22
It's here!
Angell TC90 W330g BP310mm (leather grip, size L2 / 4-1/4)
Measured weight = 330g (spot-on!), measured BP = 309-310mm (also spot-on!).
Strung with Babolat VS Team nat gut 1.25mm/16L at 24kg/53lbs (mains) and Luxilon BB Alu Power 1.25mm/16L at 23kg/50.5lbs (crosses).
Wilson Pro Overgrip.
Final weight = 350g
Final BP = 317mm
SW (measured/calculated with TWU method) seems to be around 320

Here's another happy user!
 
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