The Ascent To The Throne Begins For Felix Auger Aliassime

romeo8880

G.O.A.T.
Shapo will be one of the greats of the game and so will Felix, and they are and will remain good friends. Both will have ups and both will have downs, as we've seen. Don't be a fair weather fan.
Did you really just put Shapo and one of the greats of the game in the same sentence?
 

gogo

Hall of Fame
Did you really just put Shapo and one of the greats of the game in the same sentence?
Nothing wrong with that, considering both have so much to develop, particularly in the mental game. Will they overcome? We'll have to wait and see. I have no idea whether they will or not. As we will with the other young'uns.

I do believe that this younger generation (Thiem and younger) have had to deal with much greater 'social media' pressure, with each individual match under instant widely-public pressure. Their stories aren't relayed by the tennis commentators as in days of old, but rather by random fans/non-fans on Twitter. Older players had already established their confidence/legend by the time this became a massive force. And, of course, equipment and better fitness regimes have contributed to the decreasing of the advantage of simple 'youth' in the game.

Just my take.
 

Fedinkum

Legend
I hope Felix can have a breakthrough here. I like his game and temperament a lot. Out of all the next-gens (who are just all crying babies), he is the most sensible one. His problems have been consistency, he is error prone. He strokes crack under pressure. He has all the weapons and athleticism to do major damages.
 
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stringertom

Bionic Poster
I hope Felix can have a breakthrough here. I like his game and temperament a lot out of all the next-gen (who are just all crying babies). His problems have been consistency, he is error prone. He strokes crack under pressure. He has all the weapons and athleticism to do major damages.
Felix and Shapo are like The Cowardly Lion and The Tin Man...both flawed in their own unique ways. Right now, time is their best ally
 

Fedinkum

Legend
Felix and Shapo are like The Cowardly Lion and The Tin Man...both flawed in their own unique ways. Right now, time is their best ally
I was a fan of Shapo a couple of years ago with his beautiful backhand and aggressive play. Then he developed this cocky attitude and temper. His flashy game was also a mess. I jumped off his bandwagon and hopped onto Felix's. :D
 

Sparlingo

Hall of Fame
Felix and Shapo are like The Cowardly Lion and The Tin Man...both flawed in their own unique ways. Right now, time is their best ally
After Dorothy killed the Wicked Witch of the West, the Wizard of OZ gave the scarecrow a diploma, the Tin Man a heart, and the lion a medal so it all turned out just fine. Moral of the story is that both of my two boys will find their heart, courage, and brain to win slams.
 

Mainad

Bionic Poster
Maybe a change of coach is needed? Looks to me like Felix needs someone to toughen him up mentally to get him over the finishing line at ATP finals. He's proved he can get to them but doesn't seem to know how to play them when he gets there.
 

Sparlingo

Hall of Fame
I think too much is being made of those losses. Some context.

Felix said "The first time I was nervous, the second time I was injured, the 3rd time I brought it to a tie break and that was Berrettini on grass." The next two were against top 10 players much more experienced. There is no shame in any of that. He has to August to win one before 20 and hopefully shut people up a little about his so called mental problems.
 

BeatlesFan

Talk Tennis Guru
0-5 now in finals. Everyone says he has time on his side, but the true greats win early.
There are only a handful of ATG's in the history of the sport. Expecting Felix to win 6+ slams is a huge ask. I hear your point and agree, but Felix is not in Sampras, Becker or Nadal's league and never will be. He can still have a fine career without setting the bar at such a lofty height.

He has to August to win one before 20 and hopefully shut people up a little about his so called mental problems.
He's 0-5 in finals, why should we shut up and not bring that up? It's a legitimate talking point, that's what this Forum is supposed to be about. ;)Lendl and Murray were 0-4 in their first slam finals and that was talked about to death, as it should have been.
 

Sparlingo

Hall of Fame
He's 0-5 in finals, why should we shut up and not bring that up? It's a legitimate talking point, that's what this Forum is supposed to be about. ;)Lendl and Murray were 0-4 in their first slam finals and that was talked about to death, as it should have been.
perhaps you're right and I was a little too strong, my point was about Felix's so called mental problems which are over the top and out of context. 19 1/2 year old Tsitsipas was clearly not as good as 19 1/2 year old Felix. (see above) 0-5 in finals is definitely a monkey on his back but it's not evidence of mental problems. It's evidence of making a lot finals before he's 20, very strong evidence of that.
 

Sparlingo

Hall of Fame
Felix confirmed he will play Acapulco where he is flying to now, "I don't know who I am going to play" he said. Scheduled against a qualifier. That's a lot tennis for three weeks.
 

stringertom

Bionic Poster
Felix confirmed he will play Acapulco where he is flying to now, "I don't know who I am going to play" he said. Scheduled against a qualifier. That's a lot tennis for three weeks.
Felix draws LL Alex Bolt 1R after Thompson pulls out with a neck issue. I’m sure Acapulco organizers will schedule him for Tuesday or later to accommodate the travel from Europe.

EDIT: Confirmed Tuesday, second match on Grandstand Court so it’s a late afternoon match.
 

Sparlingo

Hall of Fame
He just needs to find the final piece of the puzzle. At the rate he is reaching finals, once he figures out how to get over the last hurdle he will start winning multiple titles per year.
Exactly right. I think it would have been likely that Tsitsipas in his current form would have beat Felix in his current form if they had met at any other point of this tournament. That it happened in the final is no more of a choke than it would be at any other point they might have met. Spraying errors is what happens when the other guy is playing better because he takes away time or you become overly aggressive because you are not winning. There really wasn't much to see here except that Tsitsipas is playing better than Felix right now.
 

tonylg

Hall of Fame
I'm not a fan of FAA, but I think people are being way too hard on him. He's made 5 finals at 19 years of age and lost to the number 5 player in the world.

As long as he can avoid injury, I suspect he'll go on to have a very, very good career. His game is VERY well suited to the slow, high bouncing courts that every single tournament is played on.
 

Sparlingo

Hall of Fame
Felix managed to hang onto some big points he had to defend through the latest stretch, he still has to continue to do that through to the summer but then he gets quite a long stretch where he has no points to defend late summer and through the fall.
 

stringertom

Bionic Poster
For historical context, Lendl who was known as losing finals early in his career started 7-4 in finals.
Lendl lost his first four slam finals and 6 of his first 7, breaking that schneid only with the rally from 0-2 down to JMac at RG’84. At slams he wound up 8-11 in finals, quite a rebound from 1-6.
 

stringertom

Bionic Poster
Felix broke late in the first set for a 6-3 edge. Serving early in the second and he holds to 1-1. Big efficiency on the first serve but some trouble with DFs (4) to offset 7 aces.
 

tonylg

Hall of Fame
The kid wastes almost as much time as Nadal and Djokovic.

I'm almost hoping Bolt loses this breaker so I don't have to watch any more.
 

stringertom

Bionic Poster
I know the history, including what Tsitsipas said .. but in 2020 one is very obviously a higher level than the other.

That's not saying the table can't be turned in a few years.
Yes, Felix is #8 in the race and Tsitsipas is #10.

Before Shoesy defended Marseille he was not exactly burning up the tour...1-2 at ATP Cup, 1-1 with a W/O at AO and 1-1 at Rotterdam where Felix made the final. You mocked @Sparlingo for having faith in FAA before the final. Please explain how Shoestrings was “obviously a higher level” before the final???
 

tonylg

Hall of Fame
Please explain how Shoestrings was “obviously a higher level” before the final???
Ummm.. he's ranked over a dozen positions higher, won the ATP Finals a couple of months ago and had a bunch of big scalps last year.

I went out of my way to say it may soon be reversed, but by just about any measure that's a higher level than FAA.
 

stringertom

Bionic Poster
Ummm.. he's ranked over a dozen positions higher, won the ATP Finals a couple of months ago and had a bunch of big scalps last year.

I went out of my way to say it may soon be reversed, but by just about any measure that's a higher level than FAA.
You said “in 2020.” Maybe review your own words before defining his “higher level” examples achieved in 2019.
 

Sparlingo

Hall of Fame
Thanks @stringertom for sticking up for me but I didn't take any offence from that @tonylg remark. Felix was 1 got you 2 and I had made money on him all week. What was bothering me is all this talk of mental problems, need of new coach, and choking. If Felix had lost in the final to someone ranked 50+ then yes I would call it a choke, but not a choke losing to Tsitsipas who clearly was the better player on Sunday.
 

stringertom

Bionic Poster
Thanks @stringertom for sticking up for me but I didn't take any offence from that @tonylg remark. Felix was 1 got you 2 and I had made money on him all week. What was bothering me is all this talk of mental problems, need of new coach, and choking. If Felix had lost in the final to someone ranked 50+ then yes I would call it a choke, but not a choke losing to Tsitsipas who clearly was the better player on Sunday.
Yes, Shoesy has apparently turned the corner finally but he was very mediocre before Marseille while Felix seems to be rising. Their current levels are merging as The Race rankings show.
 

Sparlingo

Hall of Fame
Yes, Shoesy has apparently turned the corner finally but he was very mediocre before Marseille while Felix seems to be rising. Their current levels are merging as The Race rankings show.
True, I'm not expecting Felix to beat Tsitsipas in the race this year though, but I do eventually. That said, Tsits also continues to surprise me. When Felix beat Tsit's at IW last year he was going after his backhand ruthlessly which came so fast at Steph that he couldn't react very well. That was also true generally on ROS and court coverage. Tsits has improved in those areas a lot since then is my general observation and Felix is not quite at his level. Felix will make a jump sometime but a few more improvements in his game are needed. Top of the list is his net play. I also think that Felix will have one monster serve at a different level which with his court coverage and athleticism will propel him to the higher level. That time is not yet.
 

tonylg

Hall of Fame
You said “in 2020.” Maybe review your own words before defining his “higher level” examples achieved in 2019.
I think @Sparlingo knew I wasn't trying to insult him and I in fact came in here after seeing a thread about FAA's "mental problems" to say I thought people were being hard on him.

I'm sorry you thought I was attacking them both, but I think you're being unreasonable. I say that with respect because I generally find you to be one of the better posters on here.

A few weeks into 2020, 2019 form is very relevant. But if you want to focus on my use of the "2020" .. I was present for virtually of all of their ATP Cup matches and frankly, neither was that impressive, but I'd give the clear edge to Tsitsipas. I could look up and list the matches, but don't want to be pedantic. The Greek didn't make it to the second week of the AO, but didn't Felix lose first round? I can't remember who they played, perhaps FAA had a tough draw?

I don't know if they played anything else before Marseille, but I think it would take you showing me that FAA had double bagelled Tsitsipas for me to think my assessment was anything but fair and perhaps even obvious.
 

stringertom

Bionic Poster
Next up is Edmund, whose 2020 start (6-0 and a title since 1R loss at AO) is a good sign for a rebound from a very backward step he made in 2019. He blitzed FeLo 4&1 1R.

Felix will need to be sharp.
 
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