The Ascent To The Throne Begins For Felix Auger Aliassime

stringertom

Bionic Poster
Felix has experience at compartmentalizing after these losses in finals and that’s helping today. Stebe is no problem so far.
 

Pmasterfunk

Hall of Fame
That is true, probably a record. Only Shapo, Bouchard, Rog and Muzza have tribute threads on Pro Match Results with more pages, though they've won at least one title.
Bouchard has won a tournament?

Anywho, FAA getting the job done pretty efficiently today, good to see he's moved past his defeat quickly.
 

Rovesciarete

Semi-Pro
When his plan A works well he sails through much of the opposition. If he needs plan B, well not too much there in too many occasions.

Still there is a solid base with talent and athleticism
 

Joseph_K

Hall of Fame
In first-round doubles action in Melbourne on Thursday, Felix and his doubles partner, Hubert Hurkacz, were beaten 6-3, 6-2 by the British Skupski brothers, Ken and Neal, who are the no. 16 seeds.

The Felix versus Shapo third-round singles match has been scheduled for Friday and will be the fourth match on Margaret Court Arena. It is due to begin at 7pm local time (3am EST).
 

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G.O.A.T.
(About 90 pages and no title)

I think it's attractive to many to jump early onto a bandwagon of a player who appears to be a rare and brilliant prodigy. I'm sure many have left the bandwagon by now lol.

And will return if he keeps blasting through rounds at the 2021 AO.


There's been huge hype surrounding Aliassime for years now.


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Only just realised it's Aliassime vs SHAPOVALOV next. Ye I won't be missing that match.
 

BeatlesFan

Bionic Poster
AO has not been kind to Canada in scheduling, 3AM in Toronto, 4AM my time on East coast.
AO has never been kind to us North Americans in scheduling once they moved the men's finals to the evening. Remember when it used to be played in the daytime, then we could watch it at 7:00 at night. :)
 

Sparlingo

Hall of Fame
AO has never been kind to us North Americans in scheduling once they moved the men's finals to the evening. Remember when it used to be played in the daytime, then we could watch it at 7:00 at night. :)
Only vaguely, I thought it was a policy of AO to schedule matches so that North Americans could see their hero's at a decent time, so I am pissed, but I'm going to record it and watch at my leisure.
 

InvisibleSoul

Hall of Fame
The comparison is baffling. It’s better to compare Felix to Ryan Harrison when he was 20 years old and ranked 50. Many predicted great things from him too.

Felix is 1/10th the player Fed was in 2020, there’s utterly no comparison. Fed could volley, play every shot and across all surfaces.
Your comparison to Harrison is just as baffling in the other direction.

From what I found, Harrison actually reached as high as #43 when he was 20 years old. FAA reached #17 at 19 years old. The difference between #43 and #17 is not insignificant.

Harrison didn't reach an ATP final until he was 25 years old. FAA has reached 7 finals already halfway through being 20 years old.
 

InvisibleSoul

Hall of Fame
I think it's attractive to many to jump early onto a bandwagon of a player who appears to be a rare and brilliant prodigy. I'm sure many have left the bandwagon by now lol.
He didn't appear to be a rare and brilliant prodigy, he absolutely was.

From his wiki: "On the second-tier ATP Challenger Tour, he is the youngest player to win a main draw match at 14 years and 11 months old, and is one of seven players to win a Challenger title by the age of 16. He is also the second-youngest to win multiple Challenger titles at 17 years and 1 month, and the youngest player to defend a Challenger title at 17 years and 10 months."

I agree this led to over-expectations for a while. I remember after he won his first ever Wimbledon match, he was suddenly listed as the 4th favorite to win the whole tournament by the bookies... that was crazy.

While his very early success hasn't led to an ATP title yet, he's hardly been doing badly overall. He's still the highest ranked player under the age of 21, but I may concede that Jannik Sinner might have supplanted him as higher potential at this point, but we shall see.

FAA may not end up being an all-time great, but unless something catastrophic happens to derail his career, there's no way we won't see him lifting a champions trophy numerous times.
 

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G.O.A.T.
He didn't appear to be a rare and brilliant prodigy, he absolutely was.

From his wiki: "On the second-tier ATP Challenger Tour, he is the youngest player to win a main draw match at 14 years and 11 months old, and is one of seven players to win a Challenger title by the age of 16. He is also the second-youngest to win multiple Challenger titles at 17 years and 1 month, and the youngest player to defend a Challenger title at 17 years and 10 months."

I agree this led to over-expectations for a while. I remember after he won his first ever Wimbledon match, he was suddenly listed as the 4th favorite to win the whole tournament by the bookies... that was crazy.

While his very early success hasn't led to an ATP title yet, he's hardly been doing badly overall. He's still the highest ranked player under the age of 21, but I may concede that Jannik Sinner might have supplanted him as higher potential at this point, but we shall see.

FAA may not end up being an all-time great, but unless something catastrophic happens to derail his career, there's no way we won't see him lifting a champions trophy numerous times.

A couple of months back there was a thread on who would do better out of Sinner and Aliassime and it was very difficult to choose. I think I said they'll both win Slams though.
 

Joseph_K

Hall of Fame
Although there were a lot of service breaks in his third-round match against Shapo in Melbourne on Friday, Felix managed to come through in straight sets, 7-5, 7-5, 6-3. The 20- year-old Canadian will next face the unseeded 27-year-old Russian Aslan Karatsev for a place in the quarter-finals.
 

James P

G.O.A.T.
I think that's the highest quality match I've seen out of Felix perhaps ever, certainly since 2019. He just flat out outplayed Denis in that match, who wasn't GOATing, but certainly wasn't playing that poorly himself. Like what I saw in that match and hope he gets his maiden major quarterfinal.
 

InvisibleSoul

Hall of Fame
Although there were a lot of service breaks in his third-round match against Shapo in Melbourne on Friday, Felix managed to come through in straight sets, 7-5, 7-5, 6-3. The 20- year-old Canadian will next face the unseeded 27-year-old Russian Aslan Karatsev for a place in the quarter-finals.
FAA may be the big favorite going in, but they played just over a year ago and Karatsev actually won in straight sets...

 

Sparlingo

Hall of Fame
Even when Felix won the first 2 sets his level was not great. Seems to me he is coming down with a bout of sprayingtheballitis and should be quarantined until he's over it.
 

BeatlesFan

Bionic Poster
Your comparison to Harrison is just as baffling in the other direction.

From what I found, Harrison actually reached as high as #43 when he was 20 years old. FAA reached #17 at 19 years old. The difference between #43 and #17 is not insignificant.

Harrison didn't reach an ATP final until he was 25 years old. FAA has reached 7 finals already halfway through being 20 years old.
I was addressing the hype around both players, not the minutiae you list regarding their respective ranks. When he was 20, many thought Ryan Harrison would become an ATG.

For many observers, it’s also not particulaly positive to reach 7 finals and lose them all in straight sets; it’s an albatross around Felix’s neck.
 

Baseline_Bungle

Professional
I was addressing the hype around both players, not the minutiae you list regarding their respective ranks. When he was 20, many thought Ryan Harrison would become an ATG.

For many observers, it’s also not particulaly positive to reach 7 finals and lose them all in straight sets; it’s an albatross around Felix’s neck.
In fairness, nobody in their right mind should have thought of Harrison as a future ATG. He just happened to come up at a time when US tennis was desperately looking for its next big thing, and there wasn't much around. I got to see him practice - and even chat with him - courtside when he was 18. And NOTHING - not his tennis, nor his demeanor, nor his intensity - made me think of anything more than a decent ATP-level player.

With Felix, on the other hand, the hype was all about the precociousness. Sure, he had all the shots, but what really caught your eye was his ability to hang with the big boys at age 14. That suggested an incredible maturity and mental fortitude, which makes his subsequent evolution all the more baffling. Because while his game has developed mostly as expected, it's precisely the intangibles which seem to be sorely lacking...
 

jdx2112

Professional
FAA has two major problems:

1. He's seemingly unable to adjust tactically to his opponent and/or win ugly...If he's not on a roll, he really falters.

2. His second serve is simply not good enough. If his first serve is slipping, he really doesn't do enough with his second. He needs a bigger kick serve. Also, I notice that his first serve toss is often in front of him, sometimes too much, and his natural flat-slice serve (he tends to come around the ball a bit) decreases his net margin.
 

InvisibleSoul

Hall of Fame
I was addressing the hype around both players, not the minutiae you list regarding their respective ranks. When he was 20, many thought Ryan Harrison would become an ATG.

For many observers, it’s also not particulaly positive to reach 7 finals and lose them all in straight sets; it’s an albatross around Felix’s neck.
I've been frequenting this forum since 2005 and I don't remember any such ATG hype.

Yeah, obviously it's not great that he is 0-7 in finals so far, but you can still absolutely draw positives on the fact that he has already reached seven finals while only still 20 years old.
 

Sparlingo

Hall of Fame
I've been frequenting this forum since 2005 and I don't remember any such ATG hype.

Yeah, obviously it's not great that he is 0-7 in finals so far, but you can still absolutely draw positives on the fact that he has already reached seven finals while only still 20 years old.
Yeah, hype isn't something the player does or can help. In fact, early on Felix chose to avoid it as much of it as possible. Of all the allegations against a player the term "over-hyped" is the most unfair to the player. Thought Felix would make a run at the AO but not yet. Oh well.
 

BeatlesFan

Bionic Poster
Because while his game has developed mostly as expected, it's precisely the intangibles which seem to be sorely lacking...
It's simply lack of mental strength, whether that's an intangible or not is debatable. In any case, it's absolutely central to becoming a great player. Few players have overcome mental fragility in their youth to go on to become dominant champions. Among ATG's only Agassi and Lendl come to mind, but Andre still was peeing his pants whenever he saw Pete across the net.
 

Rovesciarete

Semi-Pro
Felix is imho best described technically as a high percentage, plan serve+1 player. Brilliant serve, mighty forehand. With his fairly rapid physical maturity this allowed him to rise fast almost too easily. Dominating versus suffering. Maybe we are seeing some of the conseqences of that...

Of course this could change and I hope so.
 

Beacon Hill

Hall of Fame
Is there any advantage to him sticking with his current racquet other than he's used it for a long time? It seems a terrible choice for him.
 

AMGF

Hall of Fame
Is there any advantage to him sticking with his current racquet other than he's used it for a long time? It seems a terrible choice for him.
Agreed. With the number of frame shots he hits, he should go for a 110+in. I can’t remember any another pro that hits so many frame shots on a regular basis. :oops:
 

Joseph_K

Hall of Fame
Earlier on Monday, in first-round action at the ATP 500 tournament in Rotterdam, Felix took on Kei Nishikori, who is making something of a comeback after being injured. The no. 7-seeded Canadian made the better start in what was a typically hard-hitting match and generated a break point at 2-1, 30-40 in the first set. However, on the next point he hit a backhand into the bottom of the net and his chance was gone.

That was the only break point in the first twelve games of the match, although at 6-5 Felix had Nishikori 0-30 on the Japanese player's serve. But the Canadian was undone by unforced errors again.

In the ensuing tiebreak Nishikori fluked a winning return on the first point and then moved ahead by 4 points to 2. Although Felix pulled back to 4-all, more unforced errors caused him the tiebreak and the set.

After Nishikori had held in the opening game of the second set Felix took a medical timeout as his right leg seemed to be bothering him. On resuming, the Canadian was broken to love and then Nishikori held to lead 3-0. In the next game Felix managed to hold serve to 15, but he was broken again in the sixth game before Nishikori served out to love for the match at 5-1.

The fourth game of the second set aside, Felix won only five points in the other six games of the set in what was a very poor, error-strewn performance overall.

Final score: 7-6(4), 6-1
 
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